Vigor skill...

Kelces · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

so the only options is to sacrifice playstyle (get 2H), use a weak sustain ability (blood craze) or play pvp to get the OP one... got it.

since i have no idea on how to farm AP to lvl up assault tree, how does a pvp newb farm AP in a way that i can get out of there as quickly as possible.

Stay in keeps, defending is the easier decision. At times you get some points, when simply standing there.

Wollust · July 2016

Except for vMSA there is no reason you would ever need Vigor. Bow, 2h and Dual wield has their own heal sufficient enough for 99.9% of the games PvE content.
Also, the alliance war skill line requirements have been reduced to close to nothingness, there is no legit reason to complain about them anymore. It's possible for every player, even the ones who hate PvP, to get Vigor in a matter of days.

So man up, buy a ton of repair kits and cold harbour siege weapons, move to the big battles, siege enemy zergs, repair everything you can and wait for defensive and offensive ticks. You'll get the AP needed in a matter of a few hours PvP.
Pro tip: spec to healer and spam mutagen and healing springs everywhere on the friendly zerg. Additional AP.

Ep1kMalware · July 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Except for vMSA there is no reason you would ever need Vigor. Bow, 2h and Dual wield has their own heal sufficient enough for 99.9% of the games PvE content.
Also, the alliance war skill line requirements have been reduced to close to nothingness, there is no legit reason to complain about them anymore. It's possible for every player, even the ones who hate PvP, to get Vigor in a matter of days.

So man up, buy a ton of repair kits and cold harbour siege weapons, move to the big battles, siege enemy zergs, repair everything you can and wait for defensive and offensive ticks. You'll get the AP needed in a matter of a few hours PvP.
Pro tip: spec to healer and spam mutagen and healing springs everywhere on the friendly zerg. Additional AP.

days??? i suppise if you pvp'd very casuallym sure. anyone who can find a good cyrodiil group to hookup with and a csn get 70k ap in very little time.

idk if arena distric still has those ultra zerg wars but when that was kicking you could get 20k ap in about 5 minuted.

Bromburak · July 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Except for vMSA there is no reason you would ever need Vigor. Bow, 2h and Dual wield has their own heal sufficient enough for 99.9% of the games PvE content.
Also, the alliance war skill line requirements have been reduced to close to nothingness, there is no legit reason to complain about them anymore. It's possible for every player, even the ones who hate PvP, to get Vigor in a matter of days.

So man up, buy a ton of repair kits and cold harbour siege weapons, move to the big battles, siege enemy zergs, repair everything you can and wait for defensive and offensive ticks. You'll get the AP needed in a matter of a few hours PvP.
Pro tip: spec to healer and spam mutagen and healing springs everywhere on the friendly zerg. Additional AP.

days??? i suppise if you pvp'd very casuallym sure. anyone who can find a good cyrodiil group to hookup with and a csn get 70k ap in very little time.

He was talking about casuals and it always depends on situation and prime objectives in current campaign.
Of course anyone can leech APs very fast and easily during prime when they only need to jump from keep to keep on heavy def nights but this is not always the case.

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

The only place outside pvp where you need vigor is vMSA. For the rest of the game you'll do well without it:
- 2h has rally
- dw has the healing morph of rapid strikes
- bow has a healing morph of the knockback
- 1h/shield has a skill that heals you when you get hit by a projectile

Thing is only 1 of those 5 are a reliable heal and even then that 1 isn't as good as players say it is.

Rally yes is a very very very good healing skill but players only get that massive healing when the skill is almost over cause that healing only builds up over time. Side note is great for health recovery users cause of the HoT rally gives.

Blood thirst yes heals you for the amount of the final hit * 300% but it can easily be dodge or mitigated to barely heal or not heal at all and the other DW healing skill blood craze only heals you when the DoT cause by it is active which PvE wise is fine cause you know NPC don't always purge.

Draining shot and it's healing effect doesn't work when the target has CC immunity or is immune to CC and knock backs count as a hard CC.

Absorb magic of the SnS skill is as it says it only works on magical ranged attacks and only heals for 15% of your max health which means any one who isn't a tank won't get much use out of it. Why else do DKs slot wings instead of this ? Wing reflects all projectiles not just one type.

Amdar_Godkiller · July 2016

The Vampire heal has gotten better. Accelerating Drain + Bats = good consistent healing.
the drain is twice as strong a heal as dragon blood (which needs to just be replaced by
something different and useful) and it does a tiny bit of damage and CCs your attacker;
all while rapidly increasing your Ultimate for the Vampire Dot/Hot Ultimate

psychotic13 · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

Is there a pve version of this "a must have for stambuilds" skill if not can we get one, hate pvp one cuz I suck at it and two cuz its usually follows with toxic ppl not my cup of tea.

I'm afraid you're going to have to PvP, it's the same on the flip side though, those of use who only PvP and don't PvE don't really want to go and grind for some maelstrom weapons

GreenhaloX · July 2016

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

closest you can find will be Rally from 2H line.

I like that rally or forward momentum.. what an extra punch it adds.

Vigor is a good skill line to have, but for a DK, I'm not sure if vigor would benefit anymore than the other healing affects such as the Igneous Shield and Coagulating Blood that a DK possess. I would like to have it, but it's a sacrifice I have to make to do without. As a DK without any seemingly good offensive melee-style attack or skill, it would just use up a skill slot that I need more for another offensive or defensive skill. If I had one more skill slot, I would definitely add it, though. For now, I think it's better suited for a healer or a character that already has a good melee offensive attack (which a DK really lacks).

Drdeath20 · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

so the only options is to sacrifice playstyle (get 2H), use a weak sustain ability (blood craze) or play pvp to get the OP one... got it.

since i have no idea on how to farm AP to lvl up assault tree, how does a pvp newb farm AP in a way that i can get out of there as quickly as possible.

the chances of me killing anyone is zero and the chances of me staying alive is zero.

guest into a campaign that looks the most full, equip a resto staff and heal your teammates. You will get vigor in about 4 hours. Ontop of all the other rewards. Oh and take up the bountys. You don't have to actually kill the player to get credit for the kill.

Wollust · July 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Except for vMSA there is no reason you would ever need Vigor. Bow, 2h and Dual wield has their own heal sufficient enough for 99.9% of the games PvE content.
Also, the alliance war skill line requirements have been reduced to close to nothingness, there is no legit reason to complain about them anymore. It's possible for every player, even the ones who hate PvP, to get Vigor in a matter of days.

So man up, buy a ton of repair kits and cold harbour siege weapons, move to the big battles, siege enemy zergs, repair everything you can and wait for defensive and offensive ticks. You'll get the AP needed in a matter of a few hours PvP.
Pro tip: spec to healer and spam mutagen and healing springs everywhere on the friendly zerg. Additional AP.

days??? i suppise if you pvp'd very casuallym sure. anyone who can find a good cyrodiil group to hookup with and a csn get 70k ap in very little time.

idk if arena distric still has those ultra zerg wars but when that was kicking you could get 20k ap in about 5 minuted.

"A few days" applies to those who are new to Cyrodiil and simply don't know how to get AP faster.
I am completely aware on how to earn 60-90k AP per hour. But this knowledge doesn't benefit those who are new to PvP or hate it and only see it as a mean to get Vigor and the other skills. Therefore, it's more appropriate to talk about a few days for those players.

Drdeath20 · July 2016

Eteson24 wrote: »

Stop crying, you don't have to be a boss at PvP to get vigor. Simply stay with a large group, stay back, and rack up AP points. Also, vigor isn't all that good. I find myself depending on rally more than vigor in PvP.

Exactly. Pve bosses just eat your attacks and rarely attack back with debuffs. when your health is low an instant heal like rally is much better than an overtime heal like vigor.

Eliran · July 2016

I find it too ironic, the PVP in the game is so bad, yet you are forced to do it.

Mordron · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

i do not share your "its only" that "its only" is like rank 10 to me right now.. cyrodil is huge i have no idea whats going on, wen i finally found a group we just sat in one spot for a while, zerged on something got very lil AP.. then did that again. dnt know how this can be fun.

for a skill this powerful for stambuilds in endgame pvp/pve content, i feel there should be an equal PVE counterpart.

Nope

Im PVP only player. To get my "normal" skills I HAVE TO PLAY PVE (otherwise u get *** in pvp^^). So the 2hours u have to play pvp is nothing compared to the DAYS pvp players have to spend in pve...

So no worrys m8, its still fair (in my opinion) just play the 2-3hours pvp (u can morph vigor in pve ) and have fun again

cheers

KenaPKK · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

Is there a pve version of this "a must have for stambuilds" skill if not can we get one, hate pvp one cuz I suck at it and two cuz its usually follows with toxic ppl not my cup of tea.

It's like an afternoon in PvP if you're in the big faction keep fights. Way faster in smaller groups but don't worry about that. It's basically free compared to how hard it was to get before.

PvP is a steep learning curve and a lot of pressure, I know, but it is also a ton of fun once you start learning. If you suck up and embrace the dying with the attitude of always looking for ways to get better, it's actually fun as hell. There is no penalty for PvP death in this game.

/ignore toxic people.

You should give it a shot!

Gargath · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

Is there a pve version of this "a must have for stambuilds" skill if not can we get one, hate pvp one cuz I suck at it and two cuz its usually follows with toxic ppl not my cup of tea.

I don't understand why so many "helpers" here are posting the ways to play efficiently in pvp to get vigor. This is simply off-topic. First it's not so fast to get vigor "in 2 hours" if a player is pvp noob and hate pvp. It's much longer. I'm not an exception and I hate pvp too, that's why on CP400 I still don't have any Vigor unlocked and my stamina warriors have to use substitutes. But that's my decision and I don't want Vigor anymore because it needs me to run pvp to get it.

back to OPs issue, I don't think there is any really good substitute to Vigor for stamina users, but few can help a lot without healing staff. My stamina alts use:
Nightblade archer: Mark Target from Assassination Skills (either morph, Reaping Mark for more health) and Scatter Shot morph Draining Shot from Bow Skills - this one is powerful due to stamina based and I can choose the moment to end disorient effect and be healed. Just need to remember how it works. My archer also still have healing staff for ultimate situations, don't ask why

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Dragonknight: from 1H+S Defensive Posture morph Absorb Magic, and from DualWield Flurry morph Bloodthirst - effective if spammed multiple times. For DK a great help comes from Master Sword's punctures, I got CP130 version with Infused trait from Dragon Star Arena - saved me several times.
Templar: my templar uses 2Hand and 1H+S so only Momentum morph Rally and magicka Breath of Life (for ultimate situations).

Imho from all above the Draining Shot is closest to Vigor in power and working time.

altemriel · July 2016

today few hours ago I had an awesome PVP experience, just asked in all my 5 guilds that I am member of in guild chat, if someone wanna join me for Cyrodiil, 2 minutes later a group invite came, I accepted and I got into a about 20 - 30 people group who were in Cyrodiil in Trueflame.

I must say that I am a total loser in PVP, totally unexperienced, unskilled. I realize that PVP is a totally higher level of gameplay difficulty than usual PVE experience. You have to be very fast with skills and mostly I die in 2 seconds, but this time I even managed to kill one person in 1 vs 1 fight, and also I helped my group in killing multiple enemies. It was really fun.
My adrenaline rush was very high as PVP is very dynamic when fighting in bigger groups. But I have to say I loved it and I will return there today at night for sure!!

I am a dragon knight and my build is decent I think, I got inspired by Sypher`s PVP build:

this is my setup:
(I recommend!):

http://i.imgur.com/O9Wd671.jpg

FullBlownBeast · July 2016

Don't listen to this guy above please, it's a complete joke.

Trublz · July 2016

vigor is definitely very helpful for self sustainability, especially if youre dps.
Another good heal for DK, i forgot the morphed name, but you can morph searing strikes to a self heal ability as well. you cna wait for it the ability to end and itll heal you for like 70% of the dmg casued or something. which comes out to like a 6k heal i think. 9k or more if you get crit. or you can double tap the ability to get a instant heal

altemriel · July 2016

FullBlownBeast wrote: »

Don't listen to this guy above please, it's a complete joke.

which one do you mean?? I hope you don`t mean me

Jaronking · July 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Vigor is like what 86k ap?

Thats like 2 hours of pvp max.

If i can get 1.1 ap in a day and go from assault 1-10, i'm sure you can put a little bit of effort and grind out 86k ap.

I mean every pvpers has got to grind pve for a while in order to be able to pvp.

Its ridiculous how easy it is to rank up alliance war now but still hard as hell to level up undaunted but nope won't lower the Experience you need for that boring ass grind.

altemriel · July 2016

Gargath wrote: »

Tiitus wrote: »

Is there a pve version of this "a must have for stambuilds" skill if not can we get one, hate pvp one cuz I suck at it and two cuz its usually follows with toxic ppl not my cup of tea.

I don't understand why so many "helpers" here are posting the ways to play efficiently in pvp to get vigor. This is simply off-topic. First it's not so fast to get vigor "in 2 hours" if a player is pvp noob and hate pvp. It's much longer. I'm not an exception and I hate pvp too, that's why on CP400 I still don't have any Vigor unlocked and my stamina warriors have to use substitutes. But that's my decision and I don't want Vigor anymore because it needs me to run pvp to get it.

back to OPs issue, I don't think there is any really good substitute to Vigor for stamina users, but few can help a lot without healing staff. My stamina alts use:
Nightblade archer: Mark Target from Assassination Skills (either morph, Reaping Mark for more health) and Scatter Shot morph Draining Shot from Bow Skills - this one is powerful due to stamina based and I can choose the moment to end disorient effect and be healed. Just need to remember how it works. My archer also still have healing staff for ultimate situations, don't ask why .
Dragonknight: from 1H+S Defensive Posture morph Absorb Magic, and from DualWield Flurry morph Bloodthirst - effective if spammed multiple times. For DK a great help comes from Master Sword's punctures, I got CP130 version with Infused trait from Dragon Star Arena - saved me several times.
Templar: my templar uses 2Hand and 1H+S so only Momentum morph Rally and magicka Breath of Life (for ultimate situations).

Imho from all above the Draining Shot is closest to Vigor in power and working time.

well yes, if someone hates PVP and does not wanna try it out at all, then you are right, then he/she will not get vigor in 2 hours, because he/she will not play any PVP and if he/she would and would hate it, it would not be a good decision, in that case he/she should use other healing skills and should not waste his/her time PVPing, which he/she hates....

but if someone (like me for example) only is very bad in PVP because of lack of experience with PVP and is willing to try it, he can learn to play PVP and it can be quite fun

AverageJo3Gam3r · July 2016

@Titus PvP requires skill and practice. Don't expect to pick it up in a day and win fights against people who PvP every day. This isn't a realistic expectation. Instead, put on a bow with poison injection, snipe, and draining shot. Follow the crowd until you know what's going on. Look at the map for keeps your faction owns that are under attack, or look for crossed swords which means there's a battle going on. Follow the crowd and try to tag as many enemies as you can with bow abilities. You'll get AP from each kill you participate in.

Ep1kMalware · July 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

The only place outside pvp where you need vigor is vMSA. For the rest of the game you'll do well without it:
- 2h has rally
- dw has the healing morph of rapid strikes
- bow has a healing morph of the knockback
- 1h/shield has a skill that heals you when you get hit by a projectile

Thing is only 1 of those 5 are a reliable heal and even then that 1 isn't as good as players say it is.

Rally yes is a very very very good healing skill but players only get that massive healing when the skill is almost over cause that healing only builds up over time. Side note is great for health recovery users cause of the HoT rally gives.

Blood thirst yes heals you for the amount of the final hit * 300% but it can easily be dodge or mitigated to barely heal or not heal at all and the other DW healing skill blood craze only heals you when the DoT cause by it is active which PvE wise is fine cause you know NPC don't always purge.

Draining shot and it's healing effect doesn't work when the target has CC immunity or is immune to CC and knock backs count as a hard CC.

Absorb magic of the SnS skill is as it says it only works on magical ranged attacks and only heals for 15% of your max health which means any one who isn't a tank won't get much use out of it. Why else do DKs slot wings instead of this ? Wing reflects all projectiles not just one type.

my rally does like a 10k minimum and I get 3.5k ticks off it all the time. but I've got ,major mending

altemriel · July 2016

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@Titus PvP requires skill and practice. Don't expect to pick it up in a day and win fights against people who PvP every day. This isn't a realistic expectation. Instead, put on a bow with poison injection, snipe, and draining shot. Follow the crowd until you know what's going on. Look at the map for keeps your faction owns that are under attack, or look for crossed swords which means there's a battle going on. Follow the crowd and try to tag as many enemies as you can with bow abilities. You'll get AP from each kill you participate in.

yes, PVP is a totally different experience that fighting NPCs. there are so very skilled people out there PVPing, that when you meet them as a total newbie, you die in 2 seconds, but bigger group and careful approach is the key. until you get more experience, do not go to the front lines of the fight, observe, use crouch to stay hidden, fight enemies with a group, never alone, use ranged attacks and prepare to die often. and after a time you became a master of PVP.

but back to topic, vigor is nice, but if you do not like PVP, you really do not need it for PVE content

altemriel · July 2016

and if you wanna get inspired by improving your build, check out Deltia and Sypher on google, they are very very experienced and they are producing many videos and articles about their builds and tactics and so on

or talk to your guild mates which are more experienced, I did it and my stats almost doubled

Gulkrim-mur · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

Is there a pve version of this "a must have for stambuilds" skill if not can we get one, hate pvp one cuz I suck at it and two cuz its usually follows with toxic ppl not my cup of tea.

Depends on your class and weapon. But despite your pvp opinion id say just unlock it at leave itll be worth it. You dont need to socialize with players toxic or not. Jus get in a group too youll get exp from them even if u cant polish the kill or perform well.

Jaronking · July 2016

Eliran wrote: »

I find it too ironic, the PVP in the game is so bad, yet you are forced to do it.

Yes because the PVE in this game is so good its like the divines came down themselves and made it,lmao no your not forced to do it but everyone is forced to do the PVE in this game even if they don't enjoy it.You have a choice to PVP or not others don't have the same choice with PVE.

Orlacc · July 2016

Waaah.

Tiitus · July 2016

xskinzcity wrote: »

Iike i said before, im willing to take him in and show him the ropes!

i play on PC but thank you, and to the constructive advice from some ppl in here thank you as well. im a casual "carebear" meaning i detest pvp more than the usual "carebear" pvp is just not my thing. but PVE i like alot, it creates bonds and memories. yes theres toxic pve players but you can avoid them easily... pvp creates an atmosphere that promotes toxic play.

having an pve counterpart of vigor with equal difficulty to achieve is not asking for much. you can say its not needed but when i watch a video of a templar with very good heals choose vigor over their class heal this says alot.

Drdeath20 · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Iike i said before, im willing to take him in and show him the ropes!

i play on PC but thank you, and to the constructive advice from some ppl in here thank you as well. im a casual "carebear" meaning i detest pvp more than the usual "carebear" pvp is just not my thing. but PVE i like alot, it creates bonds and memories. yes theres toxic pve players but you can avoid them easily... pvp creates an atmosphere that promotes toxic play.

having an pve counterpart of vigor with equal difficulty to achieve is not asking for much. you can say its not needed but when i watch a video of a templar with very good heals choose vigor over their class heal this says alot.

Vigor scales off of stamina. healing ritual and rushed ceremony scale off of Magicka. Soo if your a stamplar than they are a wasted skill spot bcz they will only heal for 1000ish.

Vigor is really not usefull in pve bcz AI is very predictable. Play anyway you want but vigor is best used before your about to take damage and in pve you can just roll away from damage or rally heal after. AI does not pressure you any differently when you are at low health than they do when you are at full health. In pvp some fights you know you gotta eat some big hits to land your burst so you rally, vigor then charge.