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BOMBARD ROOT -- There's not a thread about it.
KenaPKK
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I realized the other day that in all our bickering about other things, this most pressing of PvP balance issues has no thread. We wouldn't want ZOS thinking we don't care about it just because we all quietly accept it as a given that THIS MESS IS BROKEN AF.
As a dedicated little forum zerg poster, I feel it is my duty to bring this to light.
To elaborate on the exact issue, little zerglings a can bow up and sit back spamming Bombard, rooting entire groups in place. With enough bombardlings, as I hereby christen them, you can "permaroot" groups in place, preventing even dodge rolling out. Your stam only goes so far -- there is no escape!!
Will a big group player from TF please oblige me with some videos? Alas, I am posting from my phone, making hunting down and organizing such things cumbersome.
Also anyone more educated on the exact stacking mechanics of roots and snares than myself, please feel free to bring us all up to speed.
TLDR: as much as I like permaroots in a sea of standards negates and novas, I don't.
Assorted suggested fixes that I've seen around:
- multiplicative snare stacking
- brief root immunity separate from cc immunity
- Reworking roots so they are only available to up close and risky play styles, such as DK talons
- Permabanning all stamina users
I personally like option 3.
Edited by KenaPKK on July 25, 2016 10:00PM As a dedicated little forum zerg poster, I feel it is my duty to bring this to light.
To elaborate on the exact issue, little zerglings a can bow up and sit back spamming Bombard, rooting entire groups in place. With enough bombardlings, as I hereby christen them, you can "permaroot" groups in place, preventing even dodge rolling out. Your stam only goes so far -- there is no escape!!
Will a big group player from TF please oblige me with some videos? Alas, I am posting from my phone, making hunting down and organizing such things cumbersome.
Also anyone more educated on the exact stacking mechanics of roots and snares than myself, please feel free to bring us all up to speed.
TLDR: as much as I like permaroots in a sea of standards negates and novas, I don't.
Assorted suggested fixes that I've seen around:
- multiplicative snare stacking
- brief root immunity separate from cc immunity
- Reworking roots so they are only available to up close and risky play styles, such as DK talons
- Permabanning all stamina users
I personally like option 3.
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Ghostbane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ack no, you can't complain about this, if this gets changed too many people will be out of a group role.
We'll lose too many players, the game can't afford that.{★★★★★ · ★★★★★ · ★★ · ★★★★★}350m+ AP PC - EUAddons
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✭While I agree that long range roots are a bit over the top, it's not really a problem for shuffle monkeys, AKA, every stamina build.0 -
Zheg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If fixes were coming theyd be on pts. Wait at least 3 more months and hope for the best! As per the usual eso balance mantra.Edited by Zheg on July 15, 2016 7:40PM1 -
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✭✭*** skill, a spammable aoe root should require the risk of being in the middle of a group, like talons. Not this stand 20 meters away and stop everyone's ability to move BS, especially post rapids nerf.6 -
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✭*tosses ball of glittery string down the hall*
Telel goes scampering after, pouncing upon it in glee!
*snatches away Telel's bow while he is distracted*
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@Wrobel did it!
Khajiit would smash you with the bakka mallet for this insult!
What kind of sick twisted mind defiles string with elfing glitter?!?
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Class: Night Blade-Werewolf-viking-ninja-catgirl-mallet wielder
Past times: Refusing to go full magika spec, hitting things with a big hammer, sniping, and speaking in khajiit
Also: Gelel the Derp Knight, Altsel the streaker, and Filafel the temp temp.
Khajiit has a twitch stream! https://twitch.tv/telel_khajiit feel free to come see how truly unskilled Telel is.3 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stealing from a Khajiit is like taking cat-nip from a house cat KenaPKK. You are just asking to become a scratch post, and surely one would not like to be at the receiving end of 5-inch long claws from a creature that stands shoulder to shoulder with you.
But that's just this Wayfarer's 2 Septiums.d
Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on July 15, 2016 8:23PM1 -
SubtleHate✭✭✭Permabanning all stam users sounds like a totally rational choice. Screw it, let's get it done!6 -
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✭✭I don't know what your problems are with bombard. It's not really that good and it's not like the only thing we use.
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Zheg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »I don't know what your problems are with bombard. It's not really that good and it's not like the only thing we use.
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Jeez, if thats bar 2, i dont even want to know whats on bar 1.3 -
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✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »I don't know what your problems are with bombard. It's not really that good and it's not like the only thing we use.
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Jeez, if thats bar 2, i dont even want to know whats on bar 1.
My money's on Radiant.4 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Despite the salt in this mages voice towards stamina users bombard is plaguing PvP just as bad as cheesy Malubeth and does need changed to simply not allow stacking of snares or snare immunity.
Doubt option 2 seeing of CC immunity is still broken.Edited by Forestd16b14_ESO on July 15, 2016 9:21PM1 -
Zheg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ive been nostalgic for gw2's dodge system for a long while. 2 dodges, before a long cd, though certain builds could tweak that a bit. No need for perma rollers, no need for perma roots, far more focused on actual tactics and synergies imo.
If only pvp balance had been a priority and done with a steady hand. Maybe it could have happened if performance back in the day was more playable like today. Oh well.1 -
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✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »
All dem magicka sorcs will be thrilled to hear the solution all this time was to use a 2H.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭There have been *many* threads about bombard:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=bombard&q=site:forums.elderscrollsonline.com
The main problem are its bugs. Like dozens of other significant bugs, ZOS ignores them all. Why? IMO, because its ultra-casual core audience is completely oblivious to this issue.1 -
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✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »
All dem magicka sorcs will be thrilled to hear the solution all this time was to use a 2H.
If they bring back that Spell Damage from 2H, I'll be happy.{★★★★★ · ★★★★★ · ★★ · ★★★★★}350m+ AP PC - EUAddons
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AD :: Ghostbane [50], yer ma [43], Sir Humphrey Winterbottom 2.0 [18], robotic baby legs [18]EP :: Wee Mad Arthur [50], avast ye buttcrackz [49], Sir Horace Foghorn [27], Brother Ballbag [24], Scatman John [16]DC :: W T B Waffles [36], Morale Boost [30], W T F Waffles [17], Ghostbanë [15]RIPAD :: Sir Humphrey Winterbottom 1.0 [20]- AP Meter : All your AP needs
- Greyskull : Customisable, colour-coded Damage Meter
- Auto Research Scrolls : Automatic management of crafting research scrolls
- ITTs Donation Bot : Donation tracker for Guilds
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✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »
All dem magicka sorcs will be thrilled to hear the solution all this time was to use a 2H.GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »
All dem magicka sorcs will be thrilled to hear the solution all this time was to use a 2H.
If they bring back that Spell Damage from 2H, I'll be happy.
Hey now shush.
I was about to start doing that as I learn "dw sorc" lol. I have a giant Torug's katana from my 2h Forward Momentum rage against all snares mageblade days, and it's been collecting dust. Edited by KenaPKK on July 16, 2016 2:58AM0 -
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So is anyone here gonna argue with me? All in favor of keeping the permaroot, say aye.
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*Telel rolls around gleefully, the ball of elf-glittered string partially unraveled in his paws*
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ZOS overlords, there is still time to get this in the patch! (maybe?)0 -
Zheg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Keep the permaroot! Im going out scorched earth style baby!
... but no really, we've provided tons of feedback and tons of options for them to choose from - dating back to when TG was on PTS. They either dont have the resources to overhaul it properly or are fundamentally opposed to our viewpoint.Edited by Zheg on July 16, 2016 5:44AM0 -
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Theres some hope, they tweaked mist form and buffed forward momentum, so they were at least aware of what a mess they created with the rapids nerf. They probably dont have the resources to code this any time soon, and/or dont know how to fix this without reverting their surprise nerf on rapids 7 months ago. I cant believe i actually miss the days when i was being talons'd by DKs.0 -
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✭✭Revert the change to Rapids and it wouldn't be as much of a problem, though I would still call for a root immunity upon the effect ending (through wearing off, purging, or dodging). Something needs to change; as it is, a magicka DK is forced to be a vampire and run elusive mist. There is no other way to counter bombard spam.2013
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Odditorium✭✭✭I found that Bombard is an excellent remedy for ball groups. If there not had been ball groups I would have never found any real use to slot this skill.PC/NAAldmeri DominionDandy Warhol -|- OdditoriumOscillation Overthruster -|- Molag TrumpKira the Gelfling -|- Varag Ghoul-ChewerBuffy the Purple Slayer -|- Hostile SeventeenOTGAyrenn's ArmyAD Only4
let's get 'em in there. 
