Floating Shoulders [Image Heavy]

ListerJMC · July 2016

So after it was discussed in this thread (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/278800/yay-they-fixed-abahs-watch-style-light-armour-shoulders#latest about ZOS fixing the Abah's Watch floating shoulder issue, I decided to compile images of more floating shoulders as suggested by @Sporvan. This is their image of floating Ancient Elf light shoulders:

Additionally, this happens with all the robes in the Mages Guild costume set which was sold in the Crown Store; even the one that doesn't use Ancient Elf robes:

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It's a little more obvious on my other Altmer as it cuts his hair due to it clipping underneath the floating shawl. I've posted these in another thread back when his ears also got cut off in the same patch, but this shows what his hair looks like on this outfit vs. the Thieves Guild outfit which doesn't give him any floating/clipping issues:

I've also noticed that Breton light shoulders are floating:

I tested and it also happens with the high tier material shoulder pad version, so it's not a shawl thing:

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Additionally we have a couple of floating monster shoulders, I didn't have all of them on me to test but I do know that both Valkyn Skoria and Molag Kena float:

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If there are any other floating shoulders you know of feel free to add them! I have bug reported these in-game as well.

In before "ZOS has more important things to fix"

Not sure who to tag so let's go with @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno

SleepyTroll · July 2016

If you think those are bad have you seen the ebomintaion that is the nightmother shoulders. (Idk the motif) they litter ally float 6 feet over your shoulders lol

FriedEggSandwich · July 2016

I just pretend they're mounted to your shoulders with springy wire frames lol. Imperial and mercenary light shoulders don't appear to float, but I'm guessing you probably knew that looking at all the testing you did.

ListerJMC · July 2016

SleepyTroll wrote: »

If you think those are bad have you seen the ebomintaion that is the nightmother shoulders. (Idk the motif) they litter ally float 6 feet over your shoulders lol

Not sure what motif that is either, but no I haven't seen them do you have a picture?

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I just pretend they're mounted to your shoulders with springy wire frames lol. Imperial and mercenary light shoulders don't appear to float, but I'm guessing you probably knew that looking at all the testing you did.

I actually don't have the Imperial motif so haven't tested it, Mercenary only has an issue with the Aldmeri Dominion heavy chest from what I can tell because it floats off to the side. That motif has has an issue with most shoulder pieces though at least when worn by a female character because the chest piece is horribly distorted right now. But that's been posted in another thread about the current state of female armor

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Edit: So amusingly enough I just found the Imperial motif in a dresser! Doesn't seem to have a floating issue now that I've crafted it.

Vaoh · July 2016

Thieves Guild Heavy, Akaviri Light...... These two need serious help.

Skinzz · July 2016

Kena shouler is the worst

AmakarGranaen · July 2016

Also, nord and orc shoulders have always clipped through their arms when they have weapon equipped,
i think they need to be slightly more wider apart

Ackwalan · July 2016

The shoulders aren't so bad, but those darn hip guards are terrible.

ItsGlaive · July 2016

Yep. We've had floaty shoulders in ESO since launch. It would be great if someone would go back and fix them all.

ListerJMC · July 2016

Ackwalan wrote: »

The shoulders aren't so bad, but those darn hip guards are terrible.

Hip guards are awful too I agree, I'd like to toggle them off.

Caligamy_ESO · July 2016

Noticed this about a month ago as well.. it looks pretty bad when literally the first thing you see in this game is armor glitches.

Just make a new character, its very hard to miss on the preview screen before you even start playing the game.

Detector · July 2016

Old problems. =(

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/252349/bug-flying-lekis-bel
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/251161/bug-flying-pauldron

SlayerTheDragon · July 2016

What? Those are not shoulders..... these are shoulders!

ListerJMC · July 2016

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Noticed this about a month ago as well.. it looks pretty bad when literally the first thing you see in this game is armor glitches.

Just make a new character, its very hard to miss on the preview screen before you even start playing the game.

Oh wow you're right - noticed the Altmer light shoulders float as well from looking at character creation. It also shows what happens when you put a hood on top of a floating shoulder.

Even my randomly generated Altmer looks annoyed haha.

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Altmer%2BLight%2Bfloating%2Bcharacter%2Bcreation.jpg

ListerJMC · July 2016

SleepyTroll wrote: »

If you think those are bad have you seen the ebomintaion that is the nightmother shoulders. (Idk the motif) they litter ally float 6 feet over your shoulders lol

Is it this one, the Thieves Guild motif?

Light:

Thieves-Guild-Ancestor-Silk-Robe-Female-Close-Front.jpg

The Thieves Guild symbol on the back of the shawl floats up into the hood a little on this one.

Medium:

Heavy (as suggested for improvement by @Doncellius before):

Edit: Fixing broken links

ListerJMC · July 2016

Found another one - light Yokudan shawl (from the Martial Knowledge set):

Faarawae%2BYokudan.jpg

Sporvan · July 2016

The Centurion Field Armor costume is an absolute floating mess. The the elbow guards, shoulders and hips are completely defying physics.

I wish ZOS would go through all costumes/motifs and fix these clitches.

The thieves guild shoulders seems like they are angled incorrectly, especially on heavy armor

ListerJMC · July 2016

Sorry to bring back my own thread here but I found another one, this time an NPC costume featuring a shawl. This outfit looks completely normal so long as you don't have a character with long hair, and then the annoying clipping starts. I didn't even notice it was floating until I came across Varon Davel wearing it:

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And this is from the Elder Scrolls Wiki from Varon's page to show that this outfit didn't always have a floating shoulders issue - no hair clipping here:

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Anyway I hope this gets looked at, it'd be nice if I could wear things without being forced to get a haircut

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Lysette · July 2016

SleepyTroll wrote: »

If you think those are bad have you seen the ebomintaion that is the nightmother shoulders. (Idk the motif) they litter ally float 6 feet over your shoulders lol

that is because the chest piece is so extremely bulky - it fits to the chest piece - so you can imagine from how far it floats from your shoulder, how bulky that chest piece really is - it is extreme and does not even look good on a male character.

ListerJMC · July 2016

Adventures in Wrothgar lead to some more discoveries.

Trinimac (you can see this person's staff is sitting underneath the shoulder instead of over it):
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Malacath:

Preyfar · July 2016

ListerJMC wrote: »

Malacath:

The biggest problem with these shoulder is, as designed, it makes them look paper thin. Granted, this saves on poly count and helps performance, but it also makes the floating shoulder problem much worse than it is since the shoulders have almost zero mass to them.

ListerJMC · July 2016

Preyfar wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

Malacath:

The biggest problem with these shoulder is, as designed, it makes them look paper thing. Granted, this saves on poly count and helps performance, but it also makes the floating shoulder problem much worse than it is since the shoulders have almost zero mass to them.

Agreed this particular shoulder is very flat, it's one of the most noticeably floating ones that I've come across. But, it seems it used to be paper thin without floating as much after doing a bit of digging (sorry for the dark picture, it's the wiki image of Chief Bazrag who wears the heavy Malacath motif):

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And then in his character promo:

I'm not sure why but the shoulders appear to have been elevated in a recent patch. Perhaps it was to minimise clipping but these shoulders don't look like they're bulky enough to clip though anything. It's strange.

ListerJMC · July 2016

Sorry for the poor quality/angle/darkness, this is a shawl from a looted costume that floats:

Floating%2Bshawl.jpg

Glamdring · July 2016

Doncellius wrote: »

Thieves Guild Heavy, Akaviri Light...... These two need serious help.

Akaviri light must be the most floating shoulder out there. I was so happy when i had all the motifs to craft me some light ninja style Akaviri for my mag nb. And then i saw the shoulders

ListerJMC · July 2016

Glamdring wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Thieves Guild Heavy, Akaviri Light...... These two need serious help.

Akaviri light must be the most floating shoulder out there. I was so happy when i had all the motifs to craft me some light ninja style Akaviri for my mag nb. And then i saw the shoulders

Unfortunately I can't craft that style to get a good image of it, do you have one?

This is the best picture I could find online which uses the Akaviri light shoulders (because I can't access ESO fashion for some reason?):

Did they recently start floating like a lot of other styles I posted here, or were they always levitating? I don't know how recent that image above is.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · July 2016

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

What? Those are not shoulders..... these are shoulders!

God that game has gross visuals. /sick

itehache · July 2016

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

What? Those are not shoulders..... these are shoulders!

LOL how can this be considered a piece of armor? Hahahaha!!! I used to play wow and I hated the fact you couldn't hide shoulders

but hey we had tmog there xD

Destyran · July 2016

Some one finally brought this ip thsnk god please fix!!!

ListerJMC · August 2016

I haven't tested if any of the shoulders have been fixed except the Mages Guild ones so far (which haven't been fixed), and found something interesting to do with them while in the Style Parlor.

I was looking to see if any of the long female hairstyles had the same clipping issue with the Mages Guild shawl as the long male hairstyle, and this one did:
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But then I got to this long style and was surprised to find it doesn't clip at all; it sits over the shawl like it should:
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Comparison:
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So is the floating shoulder on this costume intended and the real bug is certain hairstyles not sitting over the top of it? Or does this one just not clip because the tips of it are longer than the shawl itself? I mean I have noticed the clipping issues when you use emotes with it have been reduced since this change, but I think getting a forced haircut is far more annoying to look at because it looks bad 24/7 and not just in certain circumstances.

Valorin · August 2016

There are issues like that with a lot of gear parts, including weapons. There is less clipping now, but instead items hover on the character which is much more annoying to my eyes than clipping, especially with some shoulder parts, belts and also weapons, like dual wielding ones hovering left and right beside my hips in midair. Would be lovely to see a fix for these issues. I really don't use shoulders and belts with are hovering like that, which limits my choice of styles greatly.

Lolssi · August 2016

Isn't it somehow tied to your character? I mean I have as skinny character as possible and all the shoulders float most of'em horribly even. Most of these pictures aren't even bad. I can often see my whole shoulders underneath armor.
Planning to beef up my character just because of this a bit now that I can.