There are too many AP in the game
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rhapsodious✭✭✭✭✭
✭Okay, so let's take Joe, who was AR15 before they doubled the AP. And compare him to Mary, who started PVP after and somehow got the exact same % of kills/whatever, point being she wholly benefited from this double-AP thing whereas Joe didn't benefit at all.
According to UESP, Joe would have 1624000 AP.
Let's double that now to get 3248000, which is what Mary would have earned.
This results in a staggering AR bump of... wait for it...
3 ranks.
So no, you won't see a bunch of Grand Overlords running around on the battlefield. Or hell, a buttload of Colonels and up. It will still require a lot of time, skill and being in the right place at the right time to level up. It's gonna make it easier to get up to a higher average rank, but then it'll remain about the same. Whether you have to earn 2MM or 4MM AP to rank up, that's still a LOT of AP.Edited by rhapsodious on July 11, 2016 4:04PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Helgi_Skotina wrote: »Its bad because it is not competitve. When everyone has a high rank, everyone can use all skills and has good gear - it starts to be average. No place for accomplishments. Atm im AR 18. And i dont want to be rank 40 in 6 months or a year.
What's so competitive about having a high rank or access to all AvA skills? Player skills matter more
It's much more competitive when you have skills others don't and can kill them easier. That's how competitive gameplay works I believe.
This haha. Jokes aside, people should be on equal footing, so making skills easily obtainable is just logical. Now alliance skills are more in line with mages/fighers guild, undaunted etc than it used to be and that's fair.
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Transairion✭✭✭✭✭But you should get 0 AP for killing 10 X, because it has nothing to do with PvP and the alliance war.
Before it awarded AP, and yes even now is does award AP the Bounty Hunter passive is still worthless since the time invested to complete said quest/s have almost no payout (like 300 gold, 750-900 AP and a pittance of experience... for like 15 minutes of running between your target and back, which isn't even mapped).
It's Cryodiil, anything done in there "affects the war". Does helping a town not burn to the ground not count, while the solid gold Legendary-in-all-slots ganks a naked level 10 does? It's a freaking game dude.
No PvErs even care about the AP, it's just the only source of certain PvP skills which are excellent for PvE... like Caltrops, since tanks lack a method of AOE taunting. Back when the PvP skills only functioned in Cryodiil I don't think as many people cared in the least outside bragging rights. Certainly I've yet to see Caltrops actually used in PvP for anti-horse duty as it was designed for...1 -
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✭Helgi_Skotina wrote: »Are you high? You sound high. Don't be high. Even in competitive PvP guilds, nobody is earning nearly as much AP as they did back at launch, back before diminishing returns for killing people, etc. The increase to AP earned for kills was a godsend and makes it feel closer to the reward level I'd expect from killing someone, considering you need somewhere around 64 MILLION AP to reach max rank. Anything to diminish AP earned would be a travesty.
who said you should get rank 50? Maybe 2-3 players on all the server, the best of the best, should have them. And not everyone.
I want rank 50. I don't play PvP all day, maybe 20 minutes to 1 hour. I want to unlock the dyes, achievements and titles. It's how I enjoy playing. I have as much right as anyone else to get to rank 50 as and when I attain it
Have a cookie, for nailing it
Those better not be raisins >.>
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✭✭✭RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Helgi_Skotina wrote: »Are you high? You sound high. Don't be high. Even in competitive PvP guilds, nobody is earning nearly as much AP as they did back at launch, back before diminishing returns for killing people, etc. The increase to AP earned for kills was a godsend and makes it feel closer to the reward level I'd expect from killing someone, considering you need somewhere around 64 MILLION AP to reach max rank. Anything to diminish AP earned would be a travesty.
who said you should get rank 50? Maybe 2-3 players on all the server, the best of the best, should have them. And not everyone.
I want rank 50. I don't play PvP all day, maybe 20 minutes to 1 hour. I want to unlock the dyes, achievements and titles. It's how I enjoy playing. I have as much right as anyone else to get to rank 50 as and when I attain it
Have a cookie, for nailing it
Those better not be raisins >.>
Whats wrong with raisins @Cazzy ???
They trick you into thinking they're chocolate chip and then laugh in your face
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✭RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Whats wrong with raisins @Cazzy ???
They trick you into thinking they're chocolate chip and then laugh in your face
Still better than biting into a bagel thinking it's delicious cinnamon raisin and then no it's icky blueberry.
At least raisin cookies still taste good. ):
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✭✭✭✭✭Helgi_Skotina wrote: »Are you high? You sound high. Don't be high. Even in competitive PvP guilds, nobody is earning nearly as much AP as they did back at launch, back before diminishing returns for killing people, etc. The increase to AP earned for kills was a godsend and makes it feel closer to the reward level I'd expect from killing someone, considering you need somewhere around 64 MILLION AP to reach max rank. Anything to diminish AP earned would be a travesty.
who said you should get rank 50? Maybe 2-3 players on all the server, the best of the best, should have them. And not everyone.
@Helgi_Skotina
I said I should get rank 50, because I'm earning it with long hard hours fighting in Cyrodiil. I'm currently an August Palatine, which is about 40-45% of the way to rank 50. If you think I'm not earning it legitimately then I have some words for you. Or some swords for you. I always get the two mixed up. Either way, your perception of who should have max rank is completely bogus. It's not some zero-sum game, anyone who puts in the time and wins the fights should be able to earn it. Do you want people already at max rank to get bumped down because they earned too much AP back in the day? Ridiculous.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Helgi_Skotina wrote: »Are you high? You sound high. Don't be high. Even in competitive PvP guilds, nobody is earning nearly as much AP as they did back at launch, back before diminishing returns for killing people, etc. The increase to AP earned for kills was a godsend and makes it feel closer to the reward level I'd expect from killing someone, considering you need somewhere around 64 MILLION AP to reach max rank. Anything to diminish AP earned would be a travesty.
who said you should get rank 50? Maybe 2-3 players on all the server, the best of the best, should have them. And not everyone.
I want rank 50. I don't play PvP all day, maybe 20 minutes to 1 hour. I want to unlock the dyes, achievements and titles. It's how I enjoy playing. I have as much right as anyone else to get to rank 50 as and when I attain it
Have a cookie, for nailing it
Those better not be raisins >.>
Whats wrong with raisins @Cazzy ???
They trick you into thinking they're chocolate chip and then laugh in your face
Really I haven't made that mistake besides I like raisins more (unless the chocolate is dark) now shredded chicken and tuna in the salad bar on the other hand... that's a laugh in your face
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✭I don't care anymore they just need to lower what you need for undaunted that crap makes me want to shoot myself.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This is the craziest nerf something thread yet.
Other than they lowered the requirements to get vigor and proxy as the PvE crowd wanted it stil takes a very long time
to rank up alliance ranks.
I mean it only takes 64,680,000 ap to reach max! lmao3 -
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✭✭Helgi_Skotina wrote: »Its bad because it is not competitve. When everyone has a high rank, everyone can use all skills and has good gear - it starts to be average. No place for accomplishments. Atm im AR 18. And i dont want to be rank 40 in 6 months or a year.
Much better if they were to add higher level Alliance War ranks at some point, and some high level rewards. There are a growing number of existing Grand Overlords who don't progress further in the system anymore.
Ultimately, AP and leaderboard rank is essentially a measure of how much time you spend playing the game. You want it so people with jobs who only play a few hours per day need to wait a year for vigor again, etc?
If you personally have a lot of free time on the other hand, why not simply push for the top of the rankings and get emperor on 30 day campaign? The reward of emperor status is quite fun while it lasts, and probably more interesting than whatever AVA title you are trying to get.Edited by IcyDeadPeople on July 12, 2016 2:51AM2 -
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I think everyone earns too much money. I earn 7k a month now and im just level 27 years old. So I think the worlds salary needs to be bumped back by around 20%. At this rate, id make well over 20k by the time im 45.....
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you do realise that it goes up exponentially right. your still pitifully low level, soon you will need more than all the ap you've earned to date put together just to go up one level.
there isnt any problem here. IF your number goes up too much for your liking and you feel the tears coming on, then start and alt and boom your alliance 1: problem solved.0 -
a1i3nz✭✭✭✭So only people who have the luxury of staying home all day every day get to lvl 50.....
I work full time, please eso around 4-6 hours a day regardless (not always pvp), and I'm lvl 27.
So yeah get a job then come back and tell me it's too fast.1 -
visionality✭✭✭✭✭Helgi_Skotina wrote: »Its bad because it is not competitve. When everyone has a high rank, everyone can use all skills and has good gear - it starts to be average. No place for accomplishments. Atm im AR 18. And i dont want to be rank 40 in 6 months or a year.
No worries, you won't be rank 40 in 6 months or a year unless you PVP so much that you have really earned it. Rank levelling gets slower and slower after the first few steps.
In my opinion, it is good that ppl can unlock alliance skills early, because acomplishment should not be achieved by having skills that are denied to others. You should feel a lot better when fairly winning against a good opponent than when killing a sitting duck.1 -
Bonzodog01✭✭✭✭✭Helgi_Skotina wrote: »Its bad because it is not competitve. When everyone has a high rank, everyone can use all skills and has good gear - it starts to be average. No place for accomplishments. Atm im AR 18. And i dont want to be rank 40 in 6 months or a year.
You see, getting to AR20 is nice and quick, and thats fairly deliberate so people can unlock all the skills. However, after that, things change. The AP curve changes exponentially, and gets a LOT steeper. You'll get AR 20, then it will take you a solid month of 12 hours a day PvP to get 21 or maybe even 22. It really is that steep.Xbox One - EU - EP/DCTrying and failing to hold the walls of his Templar house up since 20151 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭Reduce AP for KILLs, raise AP for objective score significantly.PC and PS4 EP only player0
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