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Give me back my dark cloak
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Why so people can complain about it being OP again? It's not that bad right now, and honestly a Stam NB has little to no business running cloak for reliable protection anyway lol
this is simply a false statement. a stam blade should be able to rely on it.
Grab 2 Maces with Sharpened
Morph Cloak into Shadowy Disguise
Buff up with Rally, Relentless Focus, etc...
Cloak
Enjoy your 100% Crit, buffed up Ambush
No way. See that's the problem with nb. Why the heck you going to buff a mediocre at best dps skil. I would rather wrecking blow your face. Personally, I do what you stated but then hit with a fully charged heavy attack/SA combo and given the length of the stun can still ambush into ultimate combo. If your not dead then I execute. Opening with ambush is what noob nb do. It's what the people do who jumped onto the bandwagon. Fully buffing and using your ambush on it is dumb.
Way to be sounding condescending there, Mr High and Mighty >_>xblackroxe wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »Give you back an infinite cloak with little to no counter? No thanks, you can stay right where you are and die to those balistas like you're supposed to.
No counter?! Do we play the same game?
Lets go through the stuff that is supposed to be a counter:
-Expert Hunter + morphs
-Inner Light + morphs
-Revealing Flare + morphs
-Piercing Mark
-Every ability that does AoE damage
some aoe abilities that are actually used in pvp:
-Caltrops, Steel Tornado, Bombard, Wall of Elements
-Hurricane
-Ritual of Retribution, Spear, Jabs
-Fiery Breath, Volitile Armor, Inhale, Eruption
-Sap Essence, Path
So thats no counter for you?
What does counter cloak now even though it shouldn´t:
-Any form of charge ability like Crit Rush, Shiel Charge, Teleport Strike,...
-Any Cast time ability like Wrecking Blow
-Volatile Armor DoT
-Structured Entropy
-Vice Cannon DoT
Especially the first 2 catagories really hurt as those get spammed all over you.
Adding to your list
DK: Volatile Armor, Inhale, Ash Cloud
NB: Piercing Mark, Aspect of Terror, Drain Power
Sorc: Daedric Mines, Lightning Form, Bolt Escape
Templar: Spear Shards
DW: Whirlwind
Bow: Volley, Arrow Spray
Destro Staff: Wal of Element, Impulse
Fighters Guild: Expert Hunter
Mages Guild: Mage Light
Werewolf: Roar
Assault: Caltrops, Proxy Det
Support: Revealing Flare
Possibly others too, and many Ultimates out there like Standard and Magma ArmorEdited by Tryxus on July 10, 2016 4:44PM"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Why so people can complain about it being OP again? It's not that bad right now, and honestly a Stam NB has little to no business running cloak for reliable protection anyway lol
this is simply a false statement. a stam blade should be able to rely on it.
Grab 2 Maces with Sharpened
Morph Cloak into Shadowy Disguise
Buff up with Rally, Relentless Focus, etc...
Cloak
Enjoy your 100% Crit, buffed up Ambush
No way. See that's the problem with nb. Why the heck you going to buff a mediocre at best dps skil. I would rather wrecking blow your face. Personally, I do what you stated but then hit with a fully charged heavy attack/SA combo and given the length of the stun can still ambush into ultimate combo. If your not dead then I execute. Opening with ambush is what noob nb do. It's what the people do who jumped onto the bandwagon. Fully buffing and using your ambush on it is dumb.
Way to be sounding condescending there, Mr High and Mighty >_>xblackroxe wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »Give you back an infinite cloak with little to no counter? No thanks, you can stay right where you are and die to those balistas like you're supposed to.
No counter?! Do we play the same game?
Lets go through the stuff that is supposed to be a counter:
-Expert Hunter + morphs
-Inner Light + morphs
-Revealing Flare + morphs
-Piercing Mark
-Every ability that does AoE damage
some aoe abilities that are actually used in pvp:
-Caltrops, Steel Tornado, Bombard, Wall of Elements
-Hurricane
-Ritual of Retribution, Spear, Jabs
-Fiery Breath, Volitile Armor, Inhale, Eruption
-Sap Essence, Path
So thats no counter for you?
What does counter cloak now even though it shouldn´t:
-Any form of charge ability like Crit Rush, Shiel Charge, Teleport Strike,...
-Any Cast time ability like Wrecking Blow
-Volatile Armor DoT
-Structured Entropy
-Vice Cannon DoT
Especially the first 2 catagories really hurt as those get spammed all over you.
Adding to your list
DK: Volatile Armor, Inhale, Ash Cloud
NB: Piercing Mark, Aspect of Terror, Drain Power
Sorc: Daedric Mines, Lightning Form, Bolt Escape
Templar: Spear Shards
DW: Whirlwind
Bow: Volley, Arrow Spray
Destro Staff: Wal of Element, Impulse
Fighters Guild: Expert Hunter
Mages Guild: Mage Light
Werewolf: Roar
Assault: Caltrops, Proxy Det
Support: Revealing Flare
Possibly others too, and many Ultimates out there like Standard and Magma Armor
Adding more...
Proxy
Reverse slice
The 2h splash
Cleave
Lotus fan
Ranged ability from dw (name escapes me right now)
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Why so people can complain about it being OP again? It's not that bad right now, and honestly a Stam NB has little to no business running cloak for reliable protection anyway lol
this is simply a false statement. a stam blade should be able to rely on it.
Grab 2 Maces with Sharpened
Morph Cloak into Shadowy Disguise
Buff up with Rally, Relentless Focus, etc...
Cloak
Enjoy your 100% Crit, buffed up Ambush
No way. See that's the problem with nb. Why the heck you going to buff a mediocre at best dps skil. I would rather wrecking blow your face. Personally, I do what you stated but then hit with a fully charged heavy attack/SA combo and given the length of the stun can still ambush into ultimate combo. If your not dead then I execute. Opening with ambush is what noob nb do. It's what the people do who jumped onto the bandwagon. Fully buffing and using your ambush on it is dumb.
Way to be sounding condescending there, Mr High and Mighty >_>xblackroxe wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »Give you back an infinite cloak with little to no counter? No thanks, you can stay right where you are and die to those balistas like you're supposed to.
No counter?! Do we play the same game?
Lets go through the stuff that is supposed to be a counter:
-Expert Hunter + morphs
-Inner Light + morphs
-Revealing Flare + morphs
-Piercing Mark
-Every ability that does AoE damage
some aoe abilities that are actually used in pvp:
-Caltrops, Steel Tornado, Bombard, Wall of Elements
-Hurricane
-Ritual of Retribution, Spear, Jabs
-Fiery Breath, Volitile Armor, Inhale, Eruption
-Sap Essence, Path
So thats no counter for you?
What does counter cloak now even though it shouldn´t:
-Any form of charge ability like Crit Rush, Shiel Charge, Teleport Strike,...
-Any Cast time ability like Wrecking Blow
-Volatile Armor DoT
-Structured Entropy
-Vice Cannon DoT
Especially the first 2 catagories really hurt as those get spammed all over you.
Adding to your list
DK: Volatile Armor, Inhale, Ash Cloud
NB: Piercing Mark, Aspect of Terror, Drain Power
Sorc: Daedric Mines, Lightning Form, Bolt Escape
Templar: Spear Shards
DW: Whirlwind
Bow: Volley, Arrow Spray
Destro Staff: Wal of Element, Impulse
Fighters Guild: Expert Hunter
Mages Guild: Mage Light
Werewolf: Roar
Assault: Caltrops, Proxy Det
Support: Revealing Flare
Possibly others too, and many Ultimates out there like Standard and Magma Armor
Adding more...
Proxy
Reverse slice
The 2h splash
Cleave
Lotus fan
Ranged ability from dw (name escapes me right now)
...
Flying Blade
+
Lightning Splash
Path of Darkness
Engulfing Flames
...
I think we got almost all of them...
And let's not forget: Detect Pots!
So yeah, Cloak has an enormous amount of counters to it, and it's bugged on top of that too. I still have it on both my NB tho: to get a guaranteed crit on my StamBlade or to sneak around on my MagBlade looking for camps. Nothing like the smell of a burning camp in the morning But defense-wise, it's rendered useless due to being bugged Edited by Tryxus on July 10, 2016 5:36PM"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU0 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yup. Gap closers not only reveal a cloaking NB, they take damage as well. Neither is supposed to happen. Same with Dizzying Swing/WB. That plus the fact that no mechanic in ESO has more counters than Stealth/Invis.
I've been forced to drop it on my NB and slot a useful skill. I'm basically an underwhelming Stamina DK...0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Why so people can complain about it being OP again? It's not that bad right now, and honestly a Stam NB has little to no business running cloak for reliable protection anyway lol
this is simply a false statement. a stam blade should be able to rely on it.
Grab 2 Maces with Sharpened
Morph Cloak into Shadowy Disguise
Buff up with Rally, Relentless Focus, etc...
Cloak
Enjoy your 100% Crit, buffed up Ambush
No way. See that's the problem with nb. Why the heck you going to buff a mediocre at best dps skil. I would rather wrecking blow your face. Personally, I do what you stated but then hit with a fully charged heavy attack/SA combo and given the length of the stun can still ambush into ultimate combo. If your not dead then I execute. Opening with ambush is what noob nb do. It's what the people do who jumped onto the bandwagon. Fully buffing and using your ambush on it is dumb.
Way to be sounding condescending there, Mr High and Mighty >_>xblackroxe wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »Give you back an infinite cloak with little to no counter? No thanks, you can stay right where you are and die to those balistas like you're supposed to.
No counter?! Do we play the same game?
Lets go through the stuff that is supposed to be a counter:
-Expert Hunter + morphs
-Inner Light + morphs
-Revealing Flare + morphs
-Piercing Mark
-Every ability that does AoE damage
some aoe abilities that are actually used in pvp:
-Caltrops, Steel Tornado, Bombard, Wall of Elements
-Hurricane
-Ritual of Retribution, Spear, Jabs
-Fiery Breath, Volitile Armor, Inhale, Eruption
-Sap Essence, Path
So thats no counter for you?
What does counter cloak now even though it shouldn´t:
-Any form of charge ability like Crit Rush, Shiel Charge, Teleport Strike,...
-Any Cast time ability like Wrecking Blow
-Volatile Armor DoT
-Structured Entropy
-Vice Cannon DoT
Especially the first 2 catagories really hurt as those get spammed all over you.
Adding to your list
DK: Volatile Armor, Inhale, Ash Cloud
NB: Piercing Mark, Aspect of Terror, Drain Power
Sorc: Daedric Mines, Lightning Form, Bolt Escape
Templar: Spear Shards
DW: Whirlwind
Bow: Volley, Arrow Spray
Destro Staff: Wal of Element, Impulse
Fighters Guild: Expert Hunter
Mages Guild: Mage Light
Werewolf: Roar
Assault: Caltrops, Proxy Det
Support: Revealing Flare
Possibly others too, and many Ultimates out there like Standard and Magma Armor
Adding more...
Proxy
Reverse slice
The 2h splash
Cleave
Lotus fan
Ranged ability from dw (name escapes me right now)
...
Flying Blade
+
Lightning Splash
Path of Darkness
Engulfing Flames
...
I think we got almost all of them...
And let's not forget: Detect Pots!
So yeah, Cloak has an enormous amount of counters to it, and it's bugged on top of that too.
Oooo thought of another one. The agony morph that does splash aoe damage.1 -
dashima✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Why so people can complain about it being OP again? It's not that bad right now, and honestly a Stam NB has little to no business running cloak for reliable protection anyway lol
this is simply a false statement. a stam blade should be able to rely on it.
Grab 2 Maces with Sharpened
Morph Cloak into Shadowy Disguise
Buff up with Rally, Relentless Focus, etc...
Cloak
Enjoy your 100% Crit, buffed up Ambush
No way. See that's the problem with nb. Why the heck you going to buff a mediocre at best dps skil. I would rather wrecking blow your face. Personally, I do what you stated but then hit with a fully charged heavy attack/SA combo and given the length of the stun can still ambush into ultimate combo. If your not dead then I execute. Opening with ambush is what noob nb do. It's what the people do who jumped onto the bandwagon. Fully buffing and using your ambush on it is dumb.
Way to be sounding condescending there, Mr High and Mighty >_>xblackroxe wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »Give you back an infinite cloak with little to no counter? No thanks, you can stay right where you are and die to those balistas like you're supposed to.
No counter?! Do we play the same game?
Lets go through the stuff that is supposed to be a counter:
-Expert Hunter + morphs
-Inner Light + morphs
-Revealing Flare + morphs
-Piercing Mark
-Every ability that does AoE damage
some aoe abilities that are actually used in pvp:
-Caltrops, Steel Tornado, Bombard, Wall of Elements
-Hurricane
-Ritual of Retribution, Spear, Jabs
-Fiery Breath, Volitile Armor, Inhale, Eruption
-Sap Essence, Path
So thats no counter for you?
What does counter cloak now even though it shouldn´t:
-Any form of charge ability like Crit Rush, Shiel Charge, Teleport Strike,...
-Any Cast time ability like Wrecking Blow
-Volatile Armor DoT
-Structured Entropy
-Vice Cannon DoT
Especially the first 2 catagories really hurt as those get spammed all over you.
Adding to your list
DK: Volatile Armor, Inhale, Ash Cloud
NB: Piercing Mark, Aspect of Terror, Drain Power
Sorc: Daedric Mines, Lightning Form, Bolt Escape
Templar: Spear Shards
DW: Whirlwind
Bow: Volley, Arrow Spray
Destro Staff: Wal of Element, Impulse
Fighters Guild: Expert Hunter
Mages Guild: Mage Light
Werewolf: Roar
Assault: Caltrops, Proxy Det
Support: Revealing Flare
Possibly others too, and many Ultimates out there like Standard and Magma Armor
Templars have strong counters to cloak, both intended/unintended:
- Puncturing Sweeps/Biting Jabs (intended)
- Ritual of Retribution (intended)
- Dark Flare
- RD ticks/multiple RD on you (probably due to lag)
- Toppling Charge/Shield Charge/Critical Rush/etc
DKs also have strong counters:
- Flame lash/power lash
- Volatile armor ticks (impossible to cloak for the whole duration after you get hit initially, same with vicecanon)
- Talons (intended)
- Deep breath, standard, ash cloud (intended)
- etc, etc.
Other things:
- Malubeth beam
- Light/heavy attacks from any weapon
- Weapon enchantment effects
Everything else I think has already been mentioned.
Your own dots will break your cloak sometimes.
Edited by dashima on July 12, 2016 6:53PMVenatus | Hagnado
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Serenityx✭✭✭KingDuncanVII wrote: »BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »There once was a time when a nb could stare right at a coldfire balista and say try me ***. Those times are now gone and cloak is useless, doesn't even work half of the time.
It was such a good skill and one of the best survivabillty skills stam nbs had. No competitive nightblades use cloak anymore because its USELESS.
So please ZOS gimme back my dark cloak.
All forms of cloak suppress DoTs upon activation. And a clock lasts for about 3 seconds. Cloak twice (for the full duration) and it should be over. I can still render a coldfire useless (as a Stam NB).
Was this a change implemented in DB? I haven't been very active since DB dropped but I played a whole lot from January to a week or so after DB, and there have been numerous times a DoT pulled me out of cloak.0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭Vipstaakki wrote: »You can have your cloak if i get my bracing.
Difference is cloak is broken and bracing change is intended.0
