So how OP must a Templar get before it gets nerfed?

FearlessOne_2014 · July 2016

Wing wrote: »

classes are discussed on the forums based on how they performed 2 years ago, that's why Templar is defended to the death and claimed to be weak, and magicka DK is claimed to be OP and should never be buffed.

because they are. . .or rather were. . .2 years ago.

now Templar is op and magicka DK is garbage.

nightblade has always been good though, could not tell you about sorcs though, they seem to complain no matter the state of the class so its impossible to tell ^_^

Under what ground is a Magicka Templar OP atm? Yall are complaining about killed by groups of people on a single class, at the same time Nightbladse just run around by itself and kills much faster then 4 or 5 templars RO the same player. And it's no secret other then mageblade magicka builds are under-tuned compared to stamina this DLC. Yet again yall are crying for nerfs on one of the weakest magicka classes. To say otherwise is just ignorant. Even with Nightblades just being beyond broken in PvP atm.

KingDuncanVII · July 2016

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

... Nightblades just run around by itself and kills much faster then 4 or 5 templars RO the same player.

Settle down.

I had ONE Templar hit me for 27,000 Damage with just one Radiant Oppression! Just one! Seriously, how can you defend an ability that can hit that hard? I've never been hit by ANY other class like that. No matter how stacked their Weapon or Spell Damage was.

Animal_Mother · July 2016

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

... Nightblades just run around by itself and kills much faster then 4 or 5 templars RO the same player.

Settle down.

I had ONE Templar hit me for 27,000 Damage with just one Radiant Oppression! Just one! Seriously, how can you defend an ability that can hit that hard? I've never been hit by ANY other class like that. No matter how stacked their Weapon or Spell Damage was.

If the first tick of Radiant kills you, the recap will show you the damage as if all ticks hit you at the same time. If you were down to say 1250 health; if you get hit by RO in full execute the damage recap will never say 1250 its going to say something ridiculous like 25k - 1 tick @ 1250 killed you, the remaining 2 ticks over killed you with an incredible damage bonus due to you being at 0% health.

Samphaa · July 2016

I agree, haven't been back in pvp for a while because I'm sick of coming across sword and board malubeth templars that sit in the middle of 20 players and hit you with radiant for 15k+.

I feel sorry for them all, its such a hard class to play....

Pomaikai · July 2016

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

... Nightblades just run around by itself and kills much faster then 4 or 5 templars RO the same player.

Settle down.

I had ONE Templar hit me for 27,000 Damage with just one Radiant Oppression! Just one! Seriously, how can you defend an ability that can hit that hard? I've never been hit by ANY other class like that. No matter how stacked their Weapon or Spell Damage was.

How many hit points do you have?

Destruent · July 2016

Wing wrote: »

they are lethal at max range with things like Reflecitve light, Dark flare, and of course jesus beam. as well as being lethal up close with jabs. they have a ranged huge Aoe damage/dot/stun in the form of blazing shards that puts liquid lightning and cinder storm to shame.

I think you are mostly correct ( i don't agree with those so called squishy classes...build them tanky and they are not squishy anymore) but this is just false. Blazing spear is the weakest of this three ground-aoes. It does the lowest DPS and hast the shortest duration compared to liquid lightning and eruption/cinder storm. The range is the same for those three skills.
Blazing spear is stronger if you are not using jabs as main dps, but even then it's week compared to sorcs/DKs counter part.

And btw. if you just want to run with the zerg, throwing in heals and some dps all classes are strong and annoying. Played correctly all classes are hard to beat.

Pomaikai wrote: »

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

... Nightblades just run around by itself and kills much faster then 4 or 5 templars RO the same player.

Settle down.

I had ONE Templar hit me for 27,000 Damage with just one Radiant Oppression! Just one! Seriously, how can you defend an ability that can hit that hard? I've never been hit by ANY other class like that. No matter how stacked their Weapon or Spell Damage was.

How many hit points do you have?

yep, 27k Is extremely high. this would've been 54k in pve, which is a normal number in a raid environment. But i don't think your enemy had things like SPC, warhorn, trap, TBS etc so i gues your mitigation is just extremely low ^^

Cinbri · July 2016

This thread is so fun to read. Can't it be less obvious that majority of people posting here don't even play small-scale pvp or never even tried to play templar without stacking to zerg. Base your experience on fact that class overperfoming in huge zerg or super tough because using bugged sets... Just from yesterday - saw 2 ep tried to kill afk stamblade with malubeth: with every proc of malubeth he got back on full hp coz every tick healed him for 6k hp, so those 2 ep couldnt kill him in melee even when he standed still afk.
Not a single fact(except RD being really stupid skill) prooving templars OP, only people weird vision of how game should be played based on their ignorance.
I can shred all your irrational "arguments" by simple using of dwemer gods - Reason and Logic + mathematic. But it not worth it coz it seems you doesn't care about reality and anything that doesn't support your vision.

cazlonb16_ESO · July 2016

Destruent wrote: »

yep, 27k Is extremely high. this would've been 54k in pve, which is a normal number in a raid environment. But i don't think your enemy had things like SPC, warhorn, trap, TBS etc so i gues your mitigation is just extremely low ^^

Nah, just the usual death recap artifact. JB killing someone at very low hp will spit out some huge imaginary number, probably due to the way some stuff is calculated in the background.

People raging about it should probably realise at some point that if you had, say, 1k hp left before JB, it couldn't possibly have done 25k+ damage. But maybe that's giving too much credit to the average interwebs user.

Wollust · July 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Well templar > every other magicka class easily this patch imo. No other class combines survivability and damage output as well as mag templars do currently. They don't build a house, they build a fortress these days. But I don't mind I guess. Every class deserves its moments.
But the templar lobby will keep saying they are weak and whatever. Those forumplars are kinda the strongest and most savage community here. I expect them to rip me apart any moment after I post this comment.

Yet no facts. Saying again and again that some class is OP doesn't make it OP. So tempalrs got only AoE snare with patch and by some magickal reason most pathetic templar house transformed into undestructible fortress?
Facts anyone? What so OP with with templars? And please exclude such things like "reactive armor+malubeth bugs abusing templar is inkillable"(which is like 80% of templar population).

Yet never did I say the class is OP. All I said was that magicka templar simply performs better than all other magicka classes currently. Performance is not only dependent on a classes individual buffs each patch, but also on how other classes are changed and how the meta shifts.
If you still think templars are underpowered compared to the other magicka classes you're simply delusional. Or biased and trying to get more and more buffs. I don't know, I don't care.

FearlessOne_2014 · July 2016

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

... Nightblades just run around by itself and kills much faster then 4 or 5 templars RO the same player.

Settle down.

I had ONE Templar hit me for 27,000 Damage with just one Radiant Oppression! Just one! Seriously, how can you defend an ability that can hit that hard? I've never been hit by ANY other class like that. No matter how stacked their Weapon or Spell Damage was.

I had Nightblades kill me many time "BY THEMSELVES" in like 2 secs didn't even have the option to counter. Oh yeah I had 28k health at the time because I was wearing heavy armor, didn't even get a chance to react becuase I was dead before the CC broke. So I just don't don't get why this is a good example?

Plus I've never seen Radiant Oppression hit that hard when not in execute range. If it's hitting that hard above execute range. Then I'm willing to bet the main offender is "The Program That Shall Not Be Named" and not the class or the ability it self.

a1i3nz · July 2016

I've been tbagging everyone running God mode since they can't kill me. So cheesy. Have fun tanking and getting no kills.

DDemon · July 2016

The only thing I consider OP about a Templar is its execute. The rest seems pretty balanced, although I do not main a templar.

Callous2208 · July 2016

I've never had a problem with magplars on my stamplar. I close fast, smash their face in and be done with it. 4 or 5 of any class all attacking you at once is gonna be pretty op, lol.

FearlessOne_2014 · July 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

I've never had a problem with magplars on my stamplar. I close fast, smash their face in and be done with it. 4 or 5 of any class all attacking you at once is gonna be pretty op, lol.

That's excatly what I saying but these people feel like. ZOS should make other play styles then their own soo weak so they can 1vX every thing except themselves. Threads like these speak nothing about balance. Just more Lobbying trash to cry until ZOS make them top of the food chain with no peer. Which at this point nearly all the classes are balance just some lost their instant kill ability, because people are starting to adapt to their silly builds broken gank/evasion/dodge builds.