Well honestly I play a nb Xbox NA and I can take on small groups like that and the second video he not only dodged your poison but it completely missed about 5 times. He wasn't even in the cone. So you really weren't doing any damage on him or staying on him which made it easier for him to survive the one guy staying on top of him.. Also there was another guy who was falling behind as well not doing much damage. Add on top of that him dodging with shuffle when you do land a hit. That all looked legit to me

Sadly, when the devs don't play their own game, it makes it that much harder to figure out some of the exploits without step-by-step instructions, and video.

PS... Console modding is real.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

For those curious about my gear, I'm in: All gold heavy armor, except for shoulders and head which are medium (but gold nonetheless). Even the gold enchants. Every single piece is impenetrable. Gold sharpened Maelstrom Greatsword, and gold sharpened Maelstrom Bow... Everything is CP160. The sets are: Hunding's Rage and Engine Guardian.

This "build" is complete crap. You have zero sustain. Rethink your strategy completely.
Just b/c gear is "Gold" doesn't mean you get an "I-win" button.

RE: The videos and rest of your post.

Video 1: You opened with an ultimate. #1 noob move in the game -- completely wasted. You didn't buff yourself: no armor, heal, nothing. Then you were feared. Then you didn't CC break for 3 seconds. Then you're dead. Pretty much exactly as it should have happened.

Tips:
1. You know you're fighting a NB. Fear is their primary CC. Be ready and break immediately -- notice how he broke the CC from your leap in mid-air. Its pretty predictable that his defense against an ultimate opener is to hard CC you. Do you know what a mDK's primary CC is? What about a Sorc? Templar? How do the stam/mag setups in each of class defend themselves. What is your defense mechanism?
2. Your gear setup is horrible. Your skill selection is horrible. I don't even want to see your CPs or enchant selections. It looks like you have basically zero regen. Honestly, its hard to even begin. Why no shuffle? Why no Volatile Armor? No Igneous?
3. The global cooldown on skills in 1s. That means you get 1 action every second. If you're not using an action every second you're being inefficient. This is a mechanical skill that needs to be learned. There are 4s at the beginning of the fight which you do nothing.

Video 2: First, why are you attacking one guy when four other people are also chasing him down? LOL your buddies siegeing this guy.

Tips:
1. You attack him maybe four times... then you're out of stam. See above.
2. He used the terrain for LOS. Try to anticipate him. Think about what you would do in his position.
3. Half the video you do nothing. See point 3 above.


RE: Gearing. Try this setup, since you seem to want to be in Heavy. This will be much more forgiving

2xBloodspawn
5xBlack Rose (stam enchants)
2xEndurance (sw/sh + 2H)
3xAgility (all dmg)

Use stam regen drink

Minimums:
2H is buff bar: Shuffle, Volatile, Rally
Sw/Sh: Invasion, Ransack or Heroic, Igneous, Vigor, Dawnbreaker of Smiting

DPS is LA/Ranscak/Bash. Always keep your buffs active. Heavy Attack when stam gets low. Block if you have to.

Ishammael wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

For those curious about my gear, I'm in: All gold heavy armor, except for shoulders and head which are medium (but gold nonetheless). Even the gold enchants. Every single piece is impenetrable. Gold sharpened Maelstrom Greatsword, and gold sharpened Maelstrom Bow... Everything is CP160. The sets are: Hunding's Rage and Engine Guardian.

This "build" is complete crap. You have zero sustain. Rethink your strategy completely.
Just b/c gear is "Gold" doesn't mean you get an "I-win" button.

RE: The videos and rest of your post.

Video 1: You opened with an ultimate. #1 noob move in the game -- completely wasted. You didn't buff yourself: no armor, heal, nothing. Then you were feared. Then you didn't CC break for 3 seconds. Then you're dead. Pretty much exactly as it should have happened.

Tips:
1. You know you're fighting a NB. Fear is their primary CC. Be ready and break immediately -- notice how he broke the CC from your leap in mid-air. Its pretty predictable that his defense against an ultimate opener is to hard CC you. Do you know what a mDK's primary CC is? What about a Sorc? Templar? How do the stam/mag setups in each of class defend themselves. What is your defense mechanism?
2. Your gear setup is horrible. Your skill selection is horrible. I don't even want to see your CPs or enchant selections. It looks like you have basically zero regen. Honestly, its hard to even begin. Why no shuffle? Why no Volatile Armor? No Igneous?
3. The global cooldown on skills in 1s. That means you get 1 action every second. If you're not using an action every second you're being inefficient. This is a mechanical skill that needs to be learned. There are 4s at the beginning of the fight which you do nothing.

Video 2: First, why are you attacking one guy when four other people are also chasing him down? LOL your buddies siegeing this guy.

Tips:
1. You attack him maybe four times... then you're out of stam. See above.
2. He used the terrain for LOS. Try to anticipate him. Think about what you would do in his position.
3. Half the video you do nothing. See point 3 above.


RE: Gearing. Try this setup, since you seem to want to be in Heavy. This will be much more forgiving

2xBloodspawn
5xBlack Rose (stam enchants)
2xEndurance (sw/sh + 2H)
3xAgility (all dmg)

Use stam regen drink

Minimums:
2H is buff bar: Shuffle, Volatile, Rally
Sw/Sh: Invasion, Ransack or Heroic, Igneous, Vigor, Dawnbreaker of Smiting

DPS is LA/Ranscak/Bash. Always keep your buffs active. Heavy Attack when stam gets low. Block if you have to.

Voilla

he has better internet connection than you

Shuffle needs some serious looking in-to, and no, not because of these videos alone, I mean in general. It's messed up and people (I THINK) are stacking it, or.. the RNG of 20% is messed up.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

No, just no. I just got hit with 3 and 4 Dawnbreakers back after back from the same person. Kind of like how people could summon 2 and 3 Storm Atros. There's definitely people exploiting, and the so called "pros" that are on the DC side. Since when can a damage dealing Nightblade tank 15-20 people, all while killing us each also? And they're not emperor. No, I'm not buying it. There's foul play heavy right now on PS4 - NA (Scourge). And I do mean heavy.

By the way gap closing up keeps is still happening. 3-4 dc players keep doing it as I'm typing this very message on my iPhone. And they all have high alliance ranks. How odd. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel

This definitely looks strange, it would be cool if you had that in video too. Concerning the gap closers, we need to wait for a fix.

Wish I had footage of that 1 too. PS4-NA PVP is really bad at the moment. And I mean really bad. Exploiters are everywhere. The only thing missing is people flying around with CE or something.

I'm on PS4NA and I think I've seen a reduction in PvP exploits. I don't mean they're gone. The last patch 1.15 specifically stated NB can't teleport to the top of walls and I haven't seen any more "ganking while banking" in the sewers through walls/bases either. Gap closing up walls prevention is apparently in the works.

Last night, the NBs who were still trying to TS up to the wall became obvious & easy targets. I'd have to say that dish was served cold & heartily enjoyed.

@Ch4mpTW I know that feeling of bewilderment when some guy seems impossible to kill, but I have never seen someone actually impossible to kill. You just don't always know what's in the other guys playbook. Some build you or I think is stupid or not to our taste could be the perfect antidote to that guys build & strategy, but I'm not searching that out just for one guy.

If someone is in fact using an exploit, see Lance Armstrong, Jose Canseco, etc. They have to live with the fact that they aren't as good as their peers, and need to compensate for their weaker natural ability with enhancements. F those people, man. You can't fully avoid them in life or video games or change them - letting yourself get aggravated plays into their game. I'm at like 350 CP and I pity the 501 fools who need to cheat to kill me. I pity them and their lack of confidence.

@Ch4mpTW

- Never open with CC, you will rarely burst someone that easily and you just give them CC immunity right off the bat. CC is for giving yourself Breathing room or setting up kills.

- If you are using poison inject you should virtually always open with a fully charged heavy + Poison Injection.

- Dragon Leap will only one shot players that have really low health otherwise it needs to be set up, not only for the kills but because it is easily dodged. I recommend if you are going to be using dizzying swing, use dragon leap immediately after landing a dizzying swing.

- As a DK Ultimates give you resources which means you don't want to use them when you are full on resources, unless to get a kill.

- In the second video you used up all your stamina but did not use Igneous Weapons to get 5% stamina back, you also had GDB slotted but never once used Green Dragon Blood for the increased stam regen despite having full magicka and being low on stamina. You shouldn't be using Igneous weapons with Momentum anyways as they are redundant.

- As stamina DK, Shuffle, Spiked Armor(either morph both are negligent bonus'), and Vigor are your primary defenses, you have none slotted.

- NB's have way more burst potential and you will need to be ready to counter that with blocking/dodge roll. Fear is buggy I wont presume you didn't try to break out but if you are in fear that long you are usually going to die.

- Warrior's Fury gives you 750 weapon damage when fully procc'd, 5 set heavy armor gives you 200 weapon damage when fully procc'd. There are ways to set up a massively tanky build that becomes super strong when tanking multiple targets.

- Damage over time effects (DOTS) are the worst thing to be spamming at shuffle users. They have an initial chance to dodge the effect, and they can dodge each tick as well, Shuffle combined with dodge roll effectively means DOTS are a joke.

- When encountering a shuffle spammer you want to be using CC, roots, slows plus any kind of knockdown(non ultimate). This will keep them using up their stamina much faster and provide windows for damage. They will have a couple seconds of immunity to snares but if you keep on them you will get them.

- You shouldn't dodge roll into rooms, you use up stamina and most of the dodge roll immunity is wasted as they cant even see you yet. You shouldn't be dodgerolling on your 2H bar unless to actually dodge something, on the bow bar you can use it for speed boost if necessary.

As to your gear, for a starter set that is not bad but it is not really good either. Agility+hundings gives you a lot of burst but 0 sustain, the crit on Hunding's is of lesser value versus players because of impenetrable. The weapons are A+ but if you are not putting yourself in a position to get shots on target it doesn't matter.

PVP is not like PVE it is not a matter of simply stacking X numbers and applying skills. It is a chess match of defense versus offense versus control. CC+Burst+defense if you will, you need a combination and there is no correct combination of skills, your combination both on the skills slotted and the skills used will vary with time based on encounters.

You need to have an idea of the primary skills and passives available to each class and how you will counter them when you face them. Your counter may not always work, what works against one player may fail against the next. It is a constant shuffle of gear and skills to try and improve your chances and performance.

When you see a NB you should be expecting the Fear, you should be expecting the cloak and disappear. When he disappears you should be expecting the stun and burst. When you see a DK you should be expecting dragon leap or Corrosive Armor, and wings, and claws. When you see a Sorc you should be expecting for him to streak and you should be planning what you will do if he does streak, whether he streaks over you or away from you.

NB burst, especially stamina NB burst is insane right now so you have to plan around that. Most CC has a delay, if you get your CC break off before you are knocked down or walking away feared you will usually break free immediately. If you are a half second late you will be knocked down or feared for a whole second or two and will likely die to any top player.

Asmael wrote: »

it can't be a "L2P" issue

*proceed to spam Reverse slice way above 50% health*

*dodge roll when not attacked 3 times in a row*

*has no defensive buff up*

*Spam Noxious breath and miss 80% of the time*

That put aside, I don't think you managed to land a single WB, so no wonder it looks like he's taking no damage.

You might be using heavy armor, but you use neither Shuffle, SnB nor Volatile, so no wonder your survivability is atrocious. With the penetration in this patch (Sharpened + Surprise Attack), you have probably around 10k physical resist. It's also pretty easy to hit for those amounts on something as simple as a clever alchemist/ swap to Hundings 5/5 setup.

Look your videos in slow motion, take a careful look at the combat popups. There's more to learn when you fail than when you win.

First advice would be to replace igneous weapons (pointless as it doesn't stack with Rally) for Shuffle, possibly drop something else for Volatile Armor. You'll rarely get value out of Arrow barrage in PvP unless you have very good positioning.

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KingYogi415 wrote: »

Whether the videos or examples or not, the shuffle bug is real.

It's not as bad as the mundus stone exploit, but it needs to be fixed!

Yet, nobody ever captured a proper video though.

It may seem that somebody is getting 100% dodge chance, but in between the scenes, a lot more is going on.

Firstly, dodge roll gives you 100% dodge chance for the duration of the animation and 0.7 secs after it.

Major Evasion gives you 20% dodge chance. This no way means 1 out of 5 hits will be dodged. Actually, according to my experiments, it has a proc chance of 20% in which it creates a window of 0.5 secs during which every attack is dodged. This is not just for Shuffle, all Major Evasion sources like NB Blur can do this as well.

Cloak forces all ranged attacks started around 1 sec before it to miss and also auto-dodges all channels like RD and timed skills like Dizzying Swing.

Good stamina NBs keep Major Evasion up all the time, usually through Double Take, which is a great speed buff or Shuffle, which removes snares. Stamina NBs mostly equip for high sustain and run regen food/drinks and there by can dodge often. By dodging and then cloaking in succession with Major Evasion up, stamina nightblades can maintain a very high dodge rate. In fact, the only window for damage with single target skills in 6 seconds is the 0.3 secs between dodge and cloak. Everything else can be dodged. Even that window can be removed by using Crusader set.

It is possible to be tanky while maintaining burst potential quite easily with the Clever Alchemist set, especially for NBs.

As for ultimate gain, NBs have a great ultimate gain rate, with the Potion passive for 20 ultimate on demand and Soul Harvest with proper Assault passives will return 30 ultimate per kill. On top of that, Blood Spawn also gives extra ultimate. As such, it is very possible to drop even 3 Dawnbreakers in 10 seconds, even without Blood Spawn, as long as you keep the kills coming.

One of my Stamina Nightblade gear setups are 1x Blood Spawn, 1x Kena, 5x Clever Alchemist, 3x robust Endurance, 2x sharpened DW Leki's maces. In that setup, I have 31k hp, 2.8k stam regen, over 5.2k weapon damage buffed along with 36% crit and 14k penetration considering Surprise Attack. This guy, in the video, is most probably using something very similar with 2x Blood Spawn instead, for even higher Ultimate gain and 2H instead of DW, so I guess his weapon damage buffed is in the range 4.5k-5k. This build can deal pretty great damage (not high as pure glass cannons though) while maintaining very high survivability from dodge mechanics and also maintain stamina pretty easily due to great sustain. Along with proper use of Line of Sight, which the guy in the video showed pretty well, it is no wonder if a whole zerg fails to take such an NB down.

My current build is even better though, but will keep that a secret

Lmao this is so cringey. Junebuggey is one of the Top 5 NBs on PS4 and to see this post is just sad. It's like a bunch of zerglings asking why some guy couldn't die when CLEARLY he was kiting + keeping his buffs up since that was the only way he could have stayed alive. Plus your DK had the weirdest bar setup so that explains something. You guys even had to pop barrier on him smh. L2P issues will be L2P issues. Good *** for making these guys think you're exploiting June, zerglings shall be zerglings. GG af!

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

For those curious about my gear, I'm in: All gold heavy armor, except for shoulders and head which are medium (but gold nonetheless). Even the gold enchants. Every single piece is impenetrable. Gold sharpened Maelstrom Greatsword, and gold sharpened Maelstrom Bow... Everything is CP160. The sets are: Hunding's Rage and Engine Guardian.

And yet, this guy is taking little to no damage from my attacks (if they manage to land due to 75% of them being dodged or missed). All the while my death recap is showing what it's showing. Plus he's managing to fend off that many people at once. Granted this character is still being developed, WTF is going on here? I made sure my champion points were A-1, and optimized fully for PVP. So honestly, I don't get it. And it can't be a "L2P" issue, because I've been playing for years now. Even beta tested. I play on 2 platforms (thought primarily PS4 as of lately), and know pretty much each class inside and out. I've beaten VMA with every character I have, including that orc in the video. So I really just don't get how someone can pull something like that off.

On a serious note though, you got outplayed. It really is an L2P issue regardless of how long you've been playing the game. The only way you'd REALLY know the core of a character is if you've played him extensively in PvP because PvE doesn't help you with anything. If you've dueled the most competitive of players in a 1v1 and have been in multiple outnumbered situations then you'd really get to know your character. Unfortunately gear can only do so much along with CP. I can explain to you what you did wrong in both videos.

First thing is you are running a 2H/Bow Stam DK with all gold HEAVY ARMOR which isn't used to dodge roll regardless of if you have 100 into Tumbling. Another thing is that you had both Molten Weapons and Momentum on your bars which clearly doesn't make any sense other than you were trying to level them up. The smart thing to do would be to level them up in the Imperial Sewers so you wouldn't have as much competition and easy XP gain. You didn't even have Shuffle on nor Igneous Shield which is quite frankly an insult to DKs because every decent DK uses that skill to gain back Stam + Major Mending ESPECIALLY if you're running Engine Guardian. Plus you didn't even have a reliable CC. Fossilize would've been the smart thing to use instead of 2 Bow skills. Now on to the videos.

First video you saw somebody and decided to hide away from him hoping he couldn't see you while you're in HEAVY ARMOR! First thing you do when he detects you is you burn your ultimate straight away, bad idea because now you won't have enough to burst him by just spamming Dizzying Swing. After he stuns you, you couldn't Break Free immediately after and gave him 1-2 seconds to weave in his Light Attack/Surprise Attack combo. You then dodge rolled because you had nothing left, tried to pop a pot, but unfortunately it didn't happen. There was no way you were gonna win that fight because you had no shuffle, you're running a heavy armor setup on a 2H/Bow Stam DK, and a bunch of other skills that don't matter. The least you could've done was when he detected you, you popped GDB, applied Arrow Barrage and Poison Inject right after. At least then it would make sense rather than just panic leaping from the get go.

Second video is same as the first. The only thing you buffed up was Momentum and NOT GDB. You used Arrow Barrage and literally tried hitting him with Noxious Breath the whole fight when you're up against a 2H/Bow Stamblade that clearly knows what he's doing. Didn't even have a hard CC like Fossilize which would've put him down a lot faster. It really is a L2P issue whether you like it or not. I've played my Stam DK for the longest and he is at his prime right now. It's a lot different than just playing each and every class. You have to actually be put in situations that will push you to your limits in order to get a better sense of what to do. Cheers and maybe better luck next time.