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DKsUnite · July 2016

https://youtu.be/z0c55M1LtMA

@Force-Siphon

ThulsaDoomDC · July 2016

What is dead may never die.

Waylander · July 2016

Nice Vyr

Lyar09 · July 2016

Look Mom! I'm famous

DKsUnite · July 2016

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

What is dead may never die.

/salute

Lyar09 wrote: »

Look Mom! I'm famous

:P

KenaPKK · July 2016

Boss Leo and the boys doin work. @Aerem here's something juicy to drool over for the rest of the day.

KisoValley · July 2016

Decent.

Panth141 · July 2016

How're you finding Eruption? Worth the slot?

DKsUnite · July 2016

Panth141 wrote: »

How're you finding Eruption? Worth the slot?

Too expensive for what it does but I had a free slot and controlling people in small areas like this with the snare was kinda necessary

Ommy71 · July 2016

Nice video.

I love the music, who are?

Panth141 · July 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

How're you finding Eruption? Worth the slot?

Too expensive for what it does but I had a free slot and controlling people in small areas like this with the snare was kinda necessary

That was my thinking. Damn shame that Cinder Storm took such a massive fall from grace.

KenaPKK · July 2016

Panth141 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

How're you finding Eruption? Worth the slot?

Too expensive for what it does but I had a free slot and controlling people in small areas like this with the snare was kinda necessary

That was my thinking. Damn shame that Cinder Storm took such a massive fall from grace.

Major Evasion and miss chance are dumb though.

WTB other buffs imo.

IxskullzxI · July 2016

I would take more resist or something while in cinder storm over dodge chance. Dodge chance makes me want to throw my monitor in the shower.

Panth141 · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

How're you finding Eruption? Worth the slot?

Too expensive for what it does but I had a free slot and controlling people in small areas like this with the snare was kinda necessary

That was my thinking. Damn shame that Cinder Storm took such a massive fall from grace.

Major Evasion and miss chance are dumb though. WTB other buffs imo.

True - it definitely needs something, though.

Lord_Hev · July 2016

Major evasion while being forced to remain in a short AoE radius is balanced. Same thing with NB's Blur which is -class- exclusive ability.

Shuffle needs to be removed or re-worked.

DKsUnite · July 2016

ommyboy wrote: »

Nice video.

I love the music, who are?

if i had a heart - fever ray
fehu - vikings

KenaPKK · July 2016

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Major evasion while being forced to remain in a short AoE radius is balanced. Same thing with NB's Blur which is -class- exclusive ability.

Shuffle needs to be removed or re-worked.

That's contradictory. Stamblades would just use Blur and not change much. Sabre already prefers Mirage for the bonus defensive stats and magicka sink. I think you also assume I like Blur. Can't quite tell. In my opinion, the whole Major Evasion buff needs to go away. RNG is no good in a competitive PvP game.

Once we have 1v1 or small group arenas and leaderboards, these issues will come to a head. ZOS will either implement MOBA style balancing between the classes, or no one will take rankings seriously for people playing the "meta," or strongest class or build.

Lexxypwns · July 2016

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Ishammael · July 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Goes thru block

Ghostbane · July 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Very good for Power Lash and/or the Meteor combo
Return 5% stamina
Grants stam friends Minor Brutality
Still gain some ulti, but a lot less
Range is an additional 2m

Lexxypwns · July 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Goes thru block

so does vamp drain and it heals and damages and doesn't break on damage and gives ult.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Very good for Power Lash and/or the Meteor combo

Return 5% stamina

Grants stam friends Minor Brutality

Still gain some ulti, but a lot less

Range is an additional 2m

That makes sense, I'm a solo player these days so I didn't even consider the minor brutality, the stam regain is also nice, thanks!

I find I'll occasionally get free kills with vamp drain because someone won't immediately recognize what happened to them when its ani canceled, but perhaps that's just a console thing. The top teir players are pretty equal across the platforms but there's way more bad pugs on console I guess.(except maybe PC EU, shout out to decimation elite 70 man small group)

IxskullzxI · July 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Goes thru block

so does vamp drain and it heals and damages and doesn't break on damage and gives ult.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Very good for Power Lash and/or the Meteor combo

Return 5% stamina

Grants stam friends Minor Brutality

Still gain some ulti, but a lot less

Range is an additional 2m

That makes sense, I'm a solo player these days so I didn't even consider the minor brutality, the stam regain is also nice, thanks!

I find I'll occasionally get free kills with vamp drain because someone won't immediately recognize what happened to them when its ani canceled, but perhaps that's just a console thing. The top teir players are pretty equal across the platforms but there's way more bad pugs on console I guess.(except maybe PC EU, shout out to decimation elite 70 man small group)

Vamp drains damage and ult gain go through block but not the cc.

Lexxypwns · July 2016

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Goes thru block

so does vamp drain and it heals and damages and doesn't break on damage and gives ult.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Very good for Power Lash and/or the Meteor combo

Return 5% stamina

Grants stam friends Minor Brutality

Still gain some ulti, but a lot less

Range is an additional 2m

That makes sense, I'm a solo player these days so I didn't even consider the minor brutality, the stam regain is also nice, thanks!

I find I'll occasionally get free kills with vamp drain because someone won't immediately recognize what happened to them when its ani canceled, but perhaps that's just a console thing. The top teir players are pretty equal across the platforms but there's way more bad pugs on console I guess.(except maybe PC EU, shout out to decimation elite 70 man small group)

Vamp drains damage and ult gain go through block but not the cc.

Incorrect. I use vamp drain as my only CC and it goes through block, I just killed someone with a shooting star that they tried to block but couldn't because vamp drain. Like, 2 minutes ago.

IxskullzxI · July 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Goes thru block

so does vamp drain and it heals and damages and doesn't break on damage and gives ult.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Very good for Power Lash and/or the Meteor combo

Return 5% stamina

Grants stam friends Minor Brutality

Still gain some ulti, but a lot less

Range is an additional 2m

That makes sense, I'm a solo player these days so I didn't even consider the minor brutality, the stam regain is also nice, thanks!

I find I'll occasionally get free kills with vamp drain because someone won't immediately recognize what happened to them when its ani canceled, but perhaps that's just a console thing. The top teir players are pretty equal across the platforms but there's way more bad pugs on console I guess.(except maybe PC EU, shout out to decimation elite 70 man small group)

Vamp drains damage and ult gain go through block but not the cc.

Incorrect. I use vamp drain as my only CC and it goes through block, I just killed someone with a shooting star that they tried to block but couldn't because vamp drain. Like, 2 minutes ago.

Well that's news to me then. I thought it didn't cc through block.

Ishammael · July 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Goes thru block

so does vamp drain and it heals and damages and doesn't break on damage and gives ult.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Good video.

I was wondering why you run fossilize instead of vamp drain, I'm certain there's a reason, teach me senpai!

Very good for Power Lash and/or the Meteor combo

Return 5% stamina

Grants stam friends Minor Brutality

Still gain some ulti, but a lot less

Range is an additional 2m

That makes sense, I'm a solo player these days so I didn't even consider the minor brutality, the stam regain is also nice, thanks!

I find I'll occasionally get free kills with vamp drain because someone won't immediately recognize what happened to them when its ani canceled, but perhaps that's just a console thing. The top teir players are pretty equal across the platforms but there's way more bad pugs on console I guess.(except maybe PC EU, shout out to decimation elite 70 man small group)

Vamp drains damage and ult gain go through block but not the cc.

Incorrect. I use vamp drain as my only CC and it goes through block, I just killed someone with a shooting star that they tried to block but couldn't because vamp drain. Like, 2 minutes ago.

They must have been out of stam.

Lord_Hev · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Major evasion while being forced to remain in a short AoE radius is balanced. Same thing with NB's Blur which is -class- exclusive ability.

Shuffle needs to be removed or re-worked.

That's contradictory. Stamblades would just use Blur and not change much. Sabre already prefers Mirage for the bonus defensive stats and magicka sink. I think you also assume I like Blur. Can't quite tell. In my opinion, the whole Major Evasion buff needs to go away. RNG is no good in a competitive PvP game.

Once we have 1v1 or small group arenas and leaderboards, these issues will come to a head. ZOS will either implement MOBA style balancing between the classes, or no one will take rankings seriously for people playing the "meta," or strongest class or build.

No it's not contradictory. I believe blur is balanced as it's a class exclusive source of major evasion that suits NB play-style. Stam NB should be forced to run their class skill for evasion. Shuffle is stupid, makes stam builds over-perform. Stamplar for example, amazing self-heals with major mending and purify, then you throw on evasiveness. Over-performing. Keep major evasion only tied to set piece and NB exclusive, or tie it to a defensive ability(cinder storm for example as it once was)

EDIT: My point is that major evasion is imbalanced atm because -every- stam build has easy access to it. It has a niche for NBs and for set specific or situational usage. Balance it by making it meaningful with drawbacks instead of a simple armor skill anyone can abuse.

KenaPKK · July 2016

Lord_Hev wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Major evasion while being forced to remain in a short AoE radius is balanced. Same thing with NB's Blur which is -class- exclusive ability.

Shuffle needs to be removed or re-worked.

That's contradictory. Stamblades would just use Blur and not change much. Sabre already prefers Mirage for the bonus defensive stats and magicka sink. I think you also assume I like Blur. Can't quite tell. In my opinion, the whole Major Evasion buff needs to go away. RNG is no good in a competitive PvP game.

Once we have 1v1 or small group arenas and leaderboards, these issues will come to a head. ZOS will either implement MOBA style balancing between the classes, or no one will take rankings seriously for people playing the "meta," or strongest class or build.

No it's not contradictory. I believe blur is balanced as it's a class exclusive source of major evasion that suits NB play-style. Stam NB should be forced to run their class skill for evasion. Shuffle is stupid, makes stam builds over-perform. Stamplar for example, amazing self-heals with major mending and purify, then you throw on evasiveness. Over-performing. Keep major evasion only tied to set piece and NB exclusive, or tie it to a defensive ability(cinder storm for example as it once was)

EDIT: My point is that major evasion is imbalanced atm because -every- stam build has easy access to it. It has a niche for NBs and for set specific or situational usage. Balance it by making it meaningful with drawbacks instead of a simple armor skill anyone can abuse.

Ok that makes more sense now that you explained. I still don't like the buff either way, but leaving it as Nightblade exclusive is certainly more balanced than everyone getting Shuffle.

Stamblade is also quite vulnerable without evasion.

Perhaps add to your list switching Veiled Strike (Surprise Attack / Concealed) with Blur in the NB class trees. Having a spam dps ability that triggers the Shadow Barrier passive is a bit much too imo. I've been calling for that for a while. Thoughts?

Force-Siphon · July 2016

Dropping banners like a boss

DKsUnite · July 2016

@Lexxypwns

I don't run it for any of the reasons listed haha. I run it purely because I don't have to drop block. When it's like 1v4 that small drop in block is enough to get CCed and die. The root after is also amazing because it allows me to close the gap

Lexxypwns · July 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

@Lexxypwns

I don't run it for any of the reasons listed haha. I run it purely because I don't have to drop block. When it's like 1v4 that small drop in block is enough to get CCed and die. The root after is also amazing because it allows me to close the gap

knew there was some secret ninja reason, thanks

Also, aren't you guys tired of carrying @Force-Siphon all the time?

DKsUnite · July 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

@Lexxypwns

I don't run it for any of the reasons listed haha. I run it purely because I don't have to drop block. When it's like 1v4 that small drop in block is enough to get CCed and die. The root after is also amazing because it allows me to close the gap

knew there was some secret ninja reason, thanks

Also, aren't you guys tired of carrying @Force-Siphon all the time?

It gets tiring but you gotta help the less fortunate classes like mag sorc