UPDATE: Zenimax official statment of gap closers being an exploit in here

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

People , please be careful reporting this . I don't recommend reporting unless you are 100% certain the player or players did it intentionally to bypass the keep capture system .

ZOS I don't recommend perma bans for the first offence . Information needs to reach the player INGAME . Not everyone reads the forums .

Nifty2g · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We are working on making some tweaks to certain gap closers that players are using to bypass core keep capture mechanics. It is not intended that gap closers be used to enter keeps without downing doors and/or walls, or enter areas you otherwise would not be able to without exploiting (below Dolmens, under water, etc.) While we are aware that players are using certain gap closers to do exactly these things, we do considered this behavior an exploit.

If you see another player exploiting in this manner, you can send us videos or other evidence by submitting a customer support ticket, by sending them to anyone on the Community or Moderation team here on the forums, or emailing us at community@elderscrollsonline.com.

Thank you!

But what happens if a new player not familiar with eso or a player who doesn't use forums walks into cyrodill all happy like and then happens to get onto a jeep but gets mass reported

Said player probably won't be happy about that, cause he or she might think it's just an added mechanic. I'm sure this happens quite a lot or is going to happen from now on

This is the worst case scenario, but a new player having used a gap closer in PvE and not flown around the world would use it in PvP and be like hmm thats strange.

Then ask, hey is this legit?

Then people say, nah, its bugged, don't do it.

Then they don't do it.

They don't get emperor and then troll kill hundreds of people inside a keep.

These are not the same

Judging from all the posts in here and what was even said "cheating is cheating"
I'd say yes they are the same

This is why personal with this sort of bug I don't think zos should start banning for it, because some people are doing it unintentionally

Also no one uses gap closers in pve, and when you think about it logically dragon leaping into a keep sounds like a mechanic and so does teleport strike onto a keep sounds like a mechanic.

I'm all for sorting exploits out but with one like this there's going to be a lot of innocents banned

yodased · July 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We are working on making some tweaks to certain gap closers that players are using to bypass core keep capture mechanics. It is not intended that gap closers be used to enter keeps without downing doors and/or walls, or enter areas you otherwise would not be able to without exploiting (below Dolmens, under water, etc.) While we are aware that players are using certain gap closers to do exactly these things, we do considered this behavior an exploit.

If you see another player exploiting in this manner, you can send us videos or other evidence by submitting a customer support ticket, by sending them to anyone on the Community or Moderation team here on the forums, or emailing us at community@elderscrollsonline.com.

Thank you!

But what happens if a new player not familiar with eso or a player who doesn't use forums walks into cyrodill all happy like and then happens to get onto a jeep but gets mass reported

Said player probably won't be happy about that, cause he or she might think it's just an added mechanic. I'm sure this happens quite a lot or is going to happen from now on

This is the worst case scenario, but a new player having used a gap closer in PvE and not flown around the world would use it in PvP and be like hmm thats strange.

Then ask, hey is this legit?

Then people say, nah, its bugged, don't do it.

Then they don't do it.

They don't get emperor and then troll kill hundreds of people inside a keep.

These are not the same

Judging from all the posts in here and what was even said "cheating is cheating"
I'd say yes they are the same

This is why personal with this sort of bug I don't think zos should start banning for it, because some people are doing it unintentionally

Also no one uses gap closers in pve, and when you think about it logically dragon leaping into a keep sounds like a mechanic and so does teleport strike onto a keep sounds like a mechanic.

I'm all for sorting exploits out but with one like this there's going to be a lot of innocents banned

Then the goal should be to inform. If they are reported and shown to have gapped into a keep, they get a message saying that is exploitative behavior.

If they continue, ignorance is not viable.

rfennell_ESO · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We are working on making some tweaks to certain gap closers that players are using to bypass core keep capture mechanics. It is not intended that gap closers be used to enter keeps without downing doors and/or walls, or enter areas you otherwise would not be able to without exploiting (below Dolmens, under water, etc.) While we are aware that players are using certain gap closers to do exactly these things, we do considered this behavior an exploit.

If you see another player exploiting in this manner, you can send us videos or other evidence by submitting a customer support ticket, by sending them to anyone on the Community or Moderation team here on the forums, or emailing us at community@elderscrollsonline.com.

Thank you!

But what happens if a new player not familiar with eso or a player who doesn't use forums walks into cyrodill all happy like and then happens to get onto a jeep but gets mass reported

Said player probably won't be happy about that, cause he or she might think it's just an added mechanic. I'm sure this happens quite a lot or is going to happen from now on

This is the worst case scenario, but a new player having used a gap closer in PvE and not flown around the world would use it in PvP and be like hmm thats strange.

Then ask, hey is this legit?

Then people say, nah, its bugged, don't do it.

Then they don't do it.

They don't get emperor and then troll kill hundreds of people inside a keep.

These are not the same

Judging from all the posts in here and what was even said "cheating is cheating"
I'd say yes they are the same

This is why personal with this sort of bug I don't think zos should start banning for it, because some people are doing it unintentionally

Also no one uses gap closers in pve, and when you think about it logically dragon leaping into a keep sounds like a mechanic and so does teleport strike onto a keep sounds like a mechanic.

I'm all for sorting exploits out but with one like this there's going to be a lot of innocents banned

Then the goal should be to inform. If they are reported and shown to have gapped into a keep, they get a message saying that is exploitative behavior.

If they continue, ignorance is not viable.

Lol, c'mon they all knew it was an exploit from the get go.

Zheg · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

All it took was one person to bring it up in a civilized manner though and look at the response.

This has been bubbling for months, but it always devolves into personal attacks and l2p gitgud lolbots derailing it.

I mean look at the stats of this post alone on this forum, people are flocking to it because they need answers and want things fixed.

We just need to openly talk about these things, not sweep them under the rug and punish people for things they don't know about.

Be clear in your rules and even clearer in your punishment and we will all be better for it

It shouldnt have taken months. None of the countless issues that take obscene amounts of time to be commented on much less fixed should take as long as they do. People are nasty because theyve been treated this way for 2.5 years. Youre welcome to praise zos for their reply here, im of the opinion that it should have taken 2 minutes and been a response on the pts forums when videos were first posted.

#purgebug anyone? Broken since TG, complained about multiple times, was not substantiated until players did their own QA many months later, still no acknowledgement by ZOS of its existence. I know i play the role of negative nancy well, but this is commonplace behavior by them and the player sentiment should come as no surprise.

yodased · July 2016

Zheg wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

All it took was one person to bring it up in a civilized manner though and look at the response.

This has been bubbling for months, but it always devolves into personal attacks and l2p gitgud lolbots derailing it.

I mean look at the stats of this post alone on this forum, people are flocking to it because they need answers and want things fixed.

We just need to openly talk about these things, not sweep them under the rug and punish people for things they don't know about.

Be clear in your rules and even clearer in your punishment and we will all be better for it

It shouldnt have taken months. None of the countless issues that take obscene amounts of time to be commented on much less fixed should take as long as they do. People are nasty because theyve been treated this way for 2.5 years. Youre welcome to praise zos for their reply here, im of the opinion that it should have taken 2 minutes and been a response on the pts forums when videos were first posted.

#purgebug anyone? Broken since TG, complained about multiple times, was not substantiated until players did their own QA many months later, still no acknowledgement by ZOS of its existence. I know i play the role of negative nancy well, but this is commonplace behavior by them and the player sentiment should come as no surprise.

I'm praising them because they won't shut my thread down that way, obviously.

I didn't even think I would get a response, if you read the initial few posts, they were targeted at a few players and the community to discuss something I was seriously bothered by.

The fact that greentext even came in here was awesome in and of itself to me, I thought this would be ignored like all my other rants, most of which should be.

Nifty2g · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We are working on making some tweaks to certain gap closers that players are using to bypass core keep capture mechanics. It is not intended that gap closers be used to enter keeps without downing doors and/or walls, or enter areas you otherwise would not be able to without exploiting (below Dolmens, under water, etc.) While we are aware that players are using certain gap closers to do exactly these things, we do considered this behavior an exploit.

If you see another player exploiting in this manner, you can send us videos or other evidence by submitting a customer support ticket, by sending them to anyone on the Community or Moderation team here on the forums, or emailing us at community@elderscrollsonline.com.

Thank you!

But what happens if a new player not familiar with eso or a player who doesn't use forums walks into cyrodill all happy like and then happens to get onto a jeep but gets mass reported

Said player probably won't be happy about that, cause he or she might think it's just an added mechanic. I'm sure this happens quite a lot or is going to happen from now on

This is the worst case scenario, but a new player having used a gap closer in PvE and not flown around the world would use it in PvP and be like hmm thats strange.

Then ask, hey is this legit?

Then people say, nah, its bugged, don't do it.

Then they don't do it.

They don't get emperor and then troll kill hundreds of people inside a keep.

These are not the same

Judging from all the posts in here and what was even said "cheating is cheating"
I'd say yes they are the same

This is why personal with this sort of bug I don't think zos should start banning for it, because some people are doing it unintentionally

Also no one uses gap closers in pve, and when you think about it logically dragon leaping into a keep sounds like a mechanic and so does teleport strike onto a keep sounds like a mechanic.

I'm all for sorting exploits out but with one like this there's going to be a lot of innocents banned

Then the goal should be to inform. If they are reported and shown to have gapped into a keep, they get a message saying that is exploitative behavior.

If they continue, ignorance is not viable.

A message where, in game a lot of players turn zone chat off or chat off completely might even be playing offline

An email? Could have also used an old email when signing up

I'm just giving you real scenarios that will happen or excuses people will make use of and why announcing it as an exploit is a bad idea, the witch hunt is now on

rfennell_ESO · July 2016

Zheg wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

All it took was one person to bring it up in a civilized manner though and look at the response.

This has been bubbling for months, but it always devolves into personal attacks and l2p gitgud lolbots derailing it.

I mean look at the stats of this post alone on this forum, people are flocking to it because they need answers and want things fixed.

We just need to openly talk about these things, not sweep them under the rug and punish people for things they don't know about.

Be clear in your rules and even clearer in your punishment and we will all be better for it

It shouldnt have taken months. None of the countless issues that take obscene amounts of time to be commented on much less fixed should take as long as they do. People are nasty because theyve been treated this way for 2.5 years. Youre welcome to praise zos for their reply here, im of the opinion that it should have taken 2 minutes and been a response on the pts forums when videos were first posted.

#purgebug anyone? Broken since TG, complained about multiple times, was not substantiated until players did their own QA many months later, still no acknowledgement by ZOS of its existence. I know i play the role of negative nancy well, but this is commonplace behavior by them and the player sentiment should come as no surprise.

Eh, ZOS has been slow to action and not very informative as to what that action will be...

But it aint ZOS doing these things, it's a small collection of players (overall) that have been and continue to do these thing. Literally... it's the same exact groupings of players every time an exploit rears it's head.

yodased · July 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We are working on making some tweaks to certain gap closers that players are using to bypass core keep capture mechanics. It is not intended that gap closers be used to enter keeps without downing doors and/or walls, or enter areas you otherwise would not be able to without exploiting (below Dolmens, under water, etc.) While we are aware that players are using certain gap closers to do exactly these things, we do considered this behavior an exploit.

If you see another player exploiting in this manner, you can send us videos or other evidence by submitting a customer support ticket, by sending them to anyone on the Community or Moderation team here on the forums, or emailing us at community@elderscrollsonline.com.

Thank you!

But what happens if a new player not familiar with eso or a player who doesn't use forums walks into cyrodill all happy like and then happens to get onto a jeep but gets mass reported

Said player probably won't be happy about that, cause he or she might think it's just an added mechanic. I'm sure this happens quite a lot or is going to happen from now on

This is the worst case scenario, but a new player having used a gap closer in PvE and not flown around the world would use it in PvP and be like hmm thats strange.

Then ask, hey is this legit?

Then people say, nah, its bugged, don't do it.

Then they don't do it.

They don't get emperor and then troll kill hundreds of people inside a keep.

These are not the same

Judging from all the posts in here and what was even said "cheating is cheating"
I'd say yes they are the same

This is why personal with this sort of bug I don't think zos should start banning for it, because some people are doing it unintentionally

Also no one uses gap closers in pve, and when you think about it logically dragon leaping into a keep sounds like a mechanic and so does teleport strike onto a keep sounds like a mechanic.

I'm all for sorting exploits out but with one like this there's going to be a lot of innocents banned

Then the goal should be to inform. If they are reported and shown to have gapped into a keep, they get a message saying that is exploitative behavior.

If they continue, ignorance is not viable.

A message where, in game a lot of players turn zone chat off or chat off completely might even be playing offline

An email? Could have also used an old email when signing up

I'm just giving you real scenarios that will happen or excuses people will make use of and why announcing it as an exploit is a bad idea, the witch hunt is now on

No, a message when you enter the launcher, like if you have been suspended or maintenance is off. A literal warning about exploitative behavior.

nothing that can be missed, something that has to be interacted with to even play the game again.

I'm of the opinion that you should be dropped from the server with the explanation of exploitative behavior if you cross a vertical barrier without the keeps walls being down.

If the keeps walls are down, jump all you want, you could get in anyway.

Cuyler · July 2016

Let's get all the cheating, exploiting and scrub ass sympathizers out of our game. No one wants you here!

Pomaikai · July 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We are working on making some tweaks to certain gap closers that players are using to bypass core keep capture mechanics. It is not intended that gap closers be used to enter keeps without downing doors and/or walls, or enter areas you otherwise would not be able to without exploiting (below Dolmens, under water, etc.) While we are aware that players are using certain gap closers to do exactly these things, we do considered this behavior an exploit.

If you see another player exploiting in this manner, you can send us videos or other evidence by submitting a customer support ticket, by sending them to anyone on the Community or Moderation team here on the forums, or emailing us at community@elderscrollsonline.com.

Thank you!

But what happens if a new player not familiar with eso or a player who doesn't use forums walks into cyrodill all happy like and then happens to get onto a keep but gets mass reported

Said player probably won't be happy about that, cause he or she might think it's just an added mechanic. I'm sure this happens quite a lot or is going to happen from now on

Ignorance is no excuse. Educate yourself.

Van_0S · July 2016

ZO$, just ban them for 60 days and so on. No permbans!

yodased · July 2016

Cuyler wrote: »

Let's get all the cheating, exploiting and scrub butt sympathizers out of our game. No one wants you here!

I mean pretty much

PainfulFAFA · July 2016

Playing less and less ESO nowadays. I found another game im having more fun in until CU and Battlefield are out. *** this game's management

Nifty2g · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We are working on making some tweaks to certain gap closers that players are using to bypass core keep capture mechanics. It is not intended that gap closers be used to enter keeps without downing doors and/or walls, or enter areas you otherwise would not be able to without exploiting (below Dolmens, under water, etc.) While we are aware that players are using certain gap closers to do exactly these things, we do considered this behavior an exploit.

If you see another player exploiting in this manner, you can send us videos or other evidence by submitting a customer support ticket, by sending them to anyone on the Community or Moderation team here on the forums, or emailing us at community@elderscrollsonline.com.

Thank you!

But what happens if a new player not familiar with eso or a player who doesn't use forums walks into cyrodill all happy like and then happens to get onto a jeep but gets mass reported

Said player probably won't be happy about that, cause he or she might think it's just an added mechanic. I'm sure this happens quite a lot or is going to happen from now on

This is the worst case scenario, but a new player having used a gap closer in PvE and not flown around the world would use it in PvP and be like hmm thats strange.

Then ask, hey is this legit?

Then people say, nah, its bugged, don't do it.

Then they don't do it.

They don't get emperor and then troll kill hundreds of people inside a keep.

These are not the same

Judging from all the posts in here and what was even said "cheating is cheating"
I'd say yes they are the same

This is why personal with this sort of bug I don't think zos should start banning for it, because some people are doing it unintentionally

Also no one uses gap closers in pve, and when you think about it logically dragon leaping into a keep sounds like a mechanic and so does teleport strike onto a keep sounds like a mechanic.

I'm all for sorting exploits out but with one like this there's going to be a lot of innocents banned

Then the goal should be to inform. If they are reported and shown to have gapped into a keep, they get a message saying that is exploitative behavior.

If they continue, ignorance is not viable.

A message where, in game a lot of players turn zone chat off or chat off completely might even be playing offline

An email? Could have also used an old email when signing up

I'm just giving you real scenarios that will happen or excuses people will make use of and why announcing it as an exploit is a bad idea, the witch hunt is now on

No, a message when you enter the launcher, like if you have been suspended or maintenance is off. A literal warning about exploitative behavior.

nothing that can be missed, something that has to be interacted with to even play the game again.

I'm of the opinion that you should be dropped from the server with the explanation of exploitative behavior if you cross a vertical barrier without the keeps walls being down.

If the keeps walls are down, jump all you want, you could get in anyway.

Who uses the launcher to open eso? I certainly do not.i pin it to my task bar
Zos don't have game masters I believe so unlikely to be dropped from the server with an explanation

yodased · July 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We are working on making some tweaks to certain gap closers that players are using to bypass core keep capture mechanics. It is not intended that gap closers be used to enter keeps without downing doors and/or walls, or enter areas you otherwise would not be able to without exploiting (below Dolmens, under water, etc.) While we are aware that players are using certain gap closers to do exactly these things, we do considered this behavior an exploit.

If you see another player exploiting in this manner, you can send us videos or other evidence by submitting a customer support ticket, by sending them to anyone on the Community or Moderation team here on the forums, or emailing us at community@elderscrollsonline.com.

Thank you!

But what happens if a new player not familiar with eso or a player who doesn't use forums walks into cyrodill all happy like and then happens to get onto a jeep but gets mass reported

Said player probably won't be happy about that, cause he or she might think it's just an added mechanic. I'm sure this happens quite a lot or is going to happen from now on

This is the worst case scenario, but a new player having used a gap closer in PvE and not flown around the world would use it in PvP and be like hmm thats strange.

Then ask, hey is this legit?

Then people say, nah, its bugged, don't do it.

Then they don't do it.

They don't get emperor and then troll kill hundreds of people inside a keep.

These are not the same

Judging from all the posts in here and what was even said "cheating is cheating"
I'd say yes they are the same

This is why personal with this sort of bug I don't think zos should start banning for it, because some people are doing it unintentionally

Also no one uses gap closers in pve, and when you think about it logically dragon leaping into a keep sounds like a mechanic and so does teleport strike onto a keep sounds like a mechanic.

I'm all for sorting exploits out but with one like this there's going to be a lot of innocents banned

Then the goal should be to inform. If they are reported and shown to have gapped into a keep, they get a message saying that is exploitative behavior.

If they continue, ignorance is not viable.

A message where, in game a lot of players turn zone chat off or chat off completely might even be playing offline

An email? Could have also used an old email when signing up

I'm just giving you real scenarios that will happen or excuses people will make use of and why announcing it as an exploit is a bad idea, the witch hunt is now on

No, a message when you enter the launcher, like if you have been suspended or maintenance is off. A literal warning about exploitative behavior.

nothing that can be missed, something that has to be interacted with to even play the game again.

I'm of the opinion that you should be dropped from the server with the explanation of exploitative behavior if you cross a vertical barrier without the keeps walls being down.

If the keeps walls are down, jump all you want, you could get in anyway.

Who uses the launcher to open eso? I certainly do not.i pin it to my task bar
Zos don't have game masters I believe so unlikely to be dropped from the server with an explanation

If you open ESO without the launcher after being banned or during maintenance you will get an error. So that point is moot.

You could be dropped immediately with a server check on z-axis

Grunim · July 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We are working on making some tweaks to certain gap closers that players are using to bypass core keep capture mechanics. It is not intended that gap closers be used to enter keeps without downing doors and/or walls, or enter areas you otherwise would not be able to without exploiting (below Dolmens, under water, etc.) While we are aware that players are using certain gap closers to do exactly these things, we do considered this behavior an exploit.

If you see another player exploiting in this manner, you can send us videos or other evidence by submitting a customer support ticket, by sending them to anyone on the Community or Moderation team here on the forums, or emailing us at community@elderscrollsonline.com.

Thank you!

But what happens if a new player not familiar with eso or a player who doesn't use forums walks into cyrodill all happy like and then happens to get onto a jeep but gets mass reported

Said player probably won't be happy about that, cause he or she might think it's just an added mechanic. I'm sure this happens quite a lot or is going to happen from now on

This is the worst case scenario, but a new player having used a gap closer in PvE and not flown around the world would use it in PvP and be like hmm thats strange.

Then ask, hey is this legit?

Then people say, nah, its bugged, don't do it.

Then they don't do it.

They don't get emperor and then troll kill hundreds of people inside a keep.

These are not the same

Judging from all the posts in here and what was even said "cheating is cheating"
I'd say yes they are the same

This is why personal with this sort of bug I don't think zos should start banning for it, because some people are doing it unintentionally

Also no one uses gap closers in pve, and when you think about it logically dragon leaping into a keep sounds like a mechanic and so does teleport strike onto a keep sounds like a mechanic.

I'm all for sorting exploits out but with one like this there's going to be a lot of innocents banned

Then the goal should be to inform. If they are reported and shown to have gapped into a keep, they get a message saying that is exploitative behavior.

If they continue, ignorance is not viable.

A message where, in game a lot of players turn zone chat off or chat off completely might even be playing offline

An email? Could have also used an old email when signing up

I'm just giving you real scenarios that will happen or excuses people will make use of and why announcing it as an exploit is a bad idea, the witch hunt is now on

Alright, how about an in-game mail or an in-game notification message advising the player to desist from the exploitative behavior? There comes a point where individuals need to be held accountable for their actions.

hobicabobjob · July 2016

I don't often read the forums, and had no idea that gap-closing into keeps was a bannable offense until stumbling across this thread. I've seen just about every dragonknight in cyrodiil do it. A few weeks ago every nightblade seemed to be doing it. Today, it looks like 1 in 10 or so are using crit rush to goof off up top.

I'm not trying to make an argument that 'everyone else is doing it', but it is widespread enough to become a part of cyrodiil culture, and not everyone keeps up on the forums. If I started recording and reporting everyone I saw doing this, and they were banned, I expect the majority of them would have no clue as to why they were banned. The TOS gives no examples of exploits, and there is no in-game communication of this particular action being considered an exploit.

Furthermore, due to their animations, dragonleap and ambush even look plausible when used to jump into a keep.

I wonder if making a forum post about cyrodiil's rules of engagement is really the best way to stop the behavior, or if maybe gap closers should just be adjusted instead. If it is too difficult to patch (and the issue is pressing enough) an in-game message would be helpful for curbing behavior, either in the TOS or some other means.

Nifty2g · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We are working on making some tweaks to certain gap closers that players are using to bypass core keep capture mechanics. It is not intended that gap closers be used to enter keeps without downing doors and/or walls, or enter areas you otherwise would not be able to without exploiting (below Dolmens, under water, etc.) While we are aware that players are using certain gap closers to do exactly these things, we do considered this behavior an exploit.

If you see another player exploiting in this manner, you can send us videos or other evidence by submitting a customer support ticket, by sending them to anyone on the Community or Moderation team here on the forums, or emailing us at community@elderscrollsonline.com.

Thank you!

But what happens if a new player not familiar with eso or a player who doesn't use forums walks into cyrodill all happy like and then happens to get onto a jeep but gets mass reported

Said player probably won't be happy about that, cause he or she might think it's just an added mechanic. I'm sure this happens quite a lot or is going to happen from now on

This is the worst case scenario, but a new player having used a gap closer in PvE and not flown around the world would use it in PvP and be like hmm thats strange.

Then ask, hey is this legit?

Then people say, nah, its bugged, don't do it.

Then they don't do it.

They don't get emperor and then troll kill hundreds of people inside a keep.

These are not the same

Judging from all the posts in here and what was even said "cheating is cheating"
I'd say yes they are the same

This is why personal with this sort of bug I don't think zos should start banning for it, because some people are doing it unintentionally

Also no one uses gap closers in pve, and when you think about it logically dragon leaping into a keep sounds like a mechanic and so does teleport strike onto a keep sounds like a mechanic.

I'm all for sorting exploits out but with one like this there's going to be a lot of innocents banned

Then the goal should be to inform. If they are reported and shown to have gapped into a keep, they get a message saying that is exploitative behavior.

If they continue, ignorance is not viable.

A message where, in game a lot of players turn zone chat off or chat off completely might even be playing offline

An email? Could have also used an old email when signing up

I'm just giving you real scenarios that will happen or excuses people will make use of and why announcing it as an exploit is a bad idea, the witch hunt is now on

No, a message when you enter the launcher, like if you have been suspended or maintenance is off. A literal warning about exploitative behavior.

nothing that can be missed, something that has to be interacted with to even play the game again.

I'm of the opinion that you should be dropped from the server with the explanation of exploitative behavior if you cross a vertical barrier without the keeps walls being down.

If the keeps walls are down, jump all you want, you could get in anyway.

Who uses the launcher to open eso? I certainly do not.i pin it to my task bar
Zos don't have game masters I believe so unlikely to be dropped from the server with an explanation

If you open ESO without the launcher after being banned or during maintenance you will get an error. So that point is moot.

You could be dropped immediately with a server check on z-axis

I barely ever open the launcher, I open it to download a patch while I'm at school. I don't actively sit their and read through it ever.

Seems you just want justice, what I want is zos to fix it instead of creating a witch hunt, easy to go into zone and say report so and so for exploiting onto a keep, zos said its an exploit they deserve to be banned. I can do this and get so much back up to false report someone just because I do not like them.

HeroOfNone · July 2016

People are allowed a warning and reduction of punishment if they can give reasonable explanations about why they broke the rules. Being a new to PVP is one such rule that admins can look at on a case by case basis.

For those of you still trying to make excuses for exploiting, don't. You've been informed, you read the post, STOP EXPLOITING.

As for the other argument "well ZOS should fix it", yes they should, but that's not an excuse to break it. There will always be broken things in games, hopefully if reported on then developers will get to them in a timely manner with everything else they are working on.

And before some of you try to take the martyr route and say "we'll I was just trying to show how broken things were to get them to fix it!" You weren't. If you were then you would have posted up your own videos turning yourself in, would have donated your AP, gold, & gear to the Cyrodiil Orphans & widows fun, and then would have covered to a monks like to solitary PVE to seek repentance (or to train a templar to get repentance cause its so damn good). We all know you did this to get an obvious advantage over the other players you may or may not have been able to kill. Stop the BS and STOP THE EXPLOITS

Outer_Rim · July 2016

Failgrush might need to delete those VOD's fast before someone records them

and sends them in

the audio of mEssah asking if they going to "use the grappling hooks" is just PRICELESS.

Cinnamon_Spider · July 2016

So, if I'm playing on TF and my bar swap fails, causing me to cast Toppling Charge instead of Healing Ward while I just happen to have my camera facing up, I should be banned?

Buggy game is buggy.

With how these skills are working, it should not be on us to police them nor should anyone get banned for using them. As we've seen over and over, the only way to get ZOS to fix something broken is to abuse the heck out of it. Gap close to your hearts content!

Nifty2g · July 2016

hobicabobjob wrote: »

I don't often read the forums, and had no idea that gap-closing into keeps was a bannable offense until stumbling across this thread. I've seen just about every dragonknight in cyrodiil do it. A few weeks ago every nightblade seemed to be doing it. Today, it looks like 1 in 10 or so are using crit rush to goof off up top.

I'm not trying to make an argument that 'everyone else is doing it', but it is widespread enough to become a part of cyrodiil culture, and not everyone keeps up on the forums. If I started recording and reporting everyone I saw doing this, and they were banned, I expect the majority of them would have no clue as to why they were banned. The TOS gives no examples of exploits, and there is no in-game communication of this particular action being considered an exploit.

Furthermore, due to their animations, dragonleap and ambush even look plausible when used to jump into a keep.

I wonder if making a forum post about cyrodiil's rules of engagement is really the best way to stop the behavior, or if maybe gap closers should just be adjusted instead. If it is too difficult to patch (and the issue is pressing enough) an in-game message would be helpful for curbing behavior, either in the TOS or some other means.

Exactly my point, I think posting how they did whoever said to do it I think was the wrong way of dealing with it. It's going to probably cause mess

Nifty2g · July 2016

Grunim wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We are working on making some tweaks to certain gap closers that players are using to bypass core keep capture mechanics. It is not intended that gap closers be used to enter keeps without downing doors and/or walls, or enter areas you otherwise would not be able to without exploiting (below Dolmens, under water, etc.) While we are aware that players are using certain gap closers to do exactly these things, we do considered this behavior an exploit.

If you see another player exploiting in this manner, you can send us videos or other evidence by submitting a customer support ticket, by sending them to anyone on the Community or Moderation team here on the forums, or emailing us at community@elderscrollsonline.com.

Thank you!

But what happens if a new player not familiar with eso or a player who doesn't use forums walks into cyrodill all happy like and then happens to get onto a jeep but gets mass reported

Said player probably won't be happy about that, cause he or she might think it's just an added mechanic. I'm sure this happens quite a lot or is going to happen from now on

This is the worst case scenario, but a new player having used a gap closer in PvE and not flown around the world would use it in PvP and be like hmm thats strange.

Then ask, hey is this legit?

Then people say, nah, its bugged, don't do it.

Then they don't do it.

They don't get emperor and then troll kill hundreds of people inside a keep.

These are not the same

Judging from all the posts in here and what was even said "cheating is cheating"
I'd say yes they are the same

This is why personal with this sort of bug I don't think zos should start banning for it, because some people are doing it unintentionally

Also no one uses gap closers in pve, and when you think about it logically dragon leaping into a keep sounds like a mechanic and so does teleport strike onto a keep sounds like a mechanic.

I'm all for sorting exploits out but with one like this there's going to be a lot of innocents banned

Then the goal should be to inform. If they are reported and shown to have gapped into a keep, they get a message saying that is exploitative behavior.

If they continue, ignorance is not viable.

A message where, in game a lot of players turn zone chat off or chat off completely might even be playing offline

An email? Could have also used an old email when signing up

I'm just giving you real scenarios that will happen or excuses people will make use of and why announcing it as an exploit is a bad idea, the witch hunt is now on

Alright, how about an in-game mail or an in-game notification message advising the player to desist from the exploitative behavior? There comes a point where individuals need to be held accountable for their actions.

They don't have game masters so I don't think in game mail would happen or anything related to that
I could be wrong though

yodased · July 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

hobicabobjob wrote: »

I don't often read the forums, and had no idea that gap-closing into keeps was a bannable offense until stumbling across this thread. I've seen just about every dragonknight in cyrodiil do it. A few weeks ago every nightblade seemed to be doing it. Today, it looks like 1 in 10 or so are using crit rush to goof off up top.

I'm not trying to make an argument that 'everyone else is doing it', but it is widespread enough to become a part of cyrodiil culture, and not everyone keeps up on the forums. If I started recording and reporting everyone I saw doing this, and they were banned, I expect the majority of them would have no clue as to why they were banned. The TOS gives no examples of exploits, and there is no in-game communication of this particular action being considered an exploit.

Furthermore, due to their animations, dragonleap and ambush even look plausible when used to jump into a keep.

I wonder if making a forum post about cyrodiil's rules of engagement is really the best way to stop the behavior, or if maybe gap closers should just be adjusted instead. If it is too difficult to patch (and the issue is pressing enough) an in-game message would be helpful for curbing behavior, either in the TOS or some other means.

Exactly my point, I think posting how they did whoever said to do it I think was the wrong way of dealing with it. It's going to probably cause mess

No it works like this.

You log into PvP for the first time. You are given rules of engagement with the tutorial that tells you the following things are not allowed:

1. abusing any way to get into a keep without taking the walls down
2. taking a scroll without taking the gate down
3. taking a scroll without taking the outer wall down
4. using cross faction players to help other players exploit

etc etc

you agree to these rules and know they are bannable offenses.

This is not a blog post, a forum post or an email to your uncle fwd through facebook.

A literal in game piece of information given to you when you enter PVP.

If you say you didn't know at that point, you are lying or didn't read. Neither of which is acceptable.

You say I want justice? Nah, I mean I would love it if every single person who exploited their way to emp by resource boosting and those who exploit into keeps were gone from the game, but not because they of those reasons, but because they are generally toxic players.

Nifty2g · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

hobicabobjob wrote: »

I don't often read the forums, and had no idea that gap-closing into keeps was a bannable offense until stumbling across this thread. I've seen just about every dragonknight in cyrodiil do it. A few weeks ago every nightblade seemed to be doing it. Today, it looks like 1 in 10 or so are using crit rush to goof off up top.

I'm not trying to make an argument that 'everyone else is doing it', but it is widespread enough to become a part of cyrodiil culture, and not everyone keeps up on the forums. If I started recording and reporting everyone I saw doing this, and they were banned, I expect the majority of them would have no clue as to why they were banned. The TOS gives no examples of exploits, and there is no in-game communication of this particular action being considered an exploit.

Furthermore, due to their animations, dragonleap and ambush even look plausible when used to jump into a keep.

I wonder if making a forum post about cyrodiil's rules of engagement is really the best way to stop the behavior, or if maybe gap closers should just be adjusted instead. If it is too difficult to patch (and the issue is pressing enough) an in-game message would be helpful for curbing behavior, either in the TOS or some other means.

Exactly my point, I think posting how they did whoever said to do it I think was the wrong way of dealing with it. It's going to probably cause mess

No it works like this.

You log into PvP for the first time. You are given rules of engagement with the tutorial that tells you the following things are not allowed:

1. abusing any way to get into a keep without taking the walls down
2. taking a scroll without taking the gate down
3. taking a scroll without taking the outer wall down
4. using cross faction players to help other players exploit

etc etc

you agree to these rules and know they are bannable offenses.

This is not a blog post, a forum post or an email to your uncle fwd through facebook.

A literal in game piece of information given to you when you enter PVP.

If you say you didn't know at that point, you are lying or didn't read. Neither of which is acceptable.

You say I want justice? Nah, I mean I would love it if every single person who exploited their way to emp by resource boosting and those who exploit into keeps were gone from the game, but not because they of those reasons, but because they are generally toxic players.

There was a thread in general discussion about reading the tos

I'd skip to the bottom and hit accept because I'm just in a rush to play.

The list would be much bigger than that and also they are letting people know their are ways to exploit such things and then people would go and do it regardless. I don't think zos wants to write out how many bugs there are that people can exploit

yodased · July 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

hobicabobjob wrote: »

I don't often read the forums, and had no idea that gap-closing into keeps was a bannable offense until stumbling across this thread. I've seen just about every dragonknight in cyrodiil do it. A few weeks ago every nightblade seemed to be doing it. Today, it looks like 1 in 10 or so are using crit rush to goof off up top.

I'm not trying to make an argument that 'everyone else is doing it', but it is widespread enough to become a part of cyrodiil culture, and not everyone keeps up on the forums. If I started recording and reporting everyone I saw doing this, and they were banned, I expect the majority of them would have no clue as to why they were banned. The TOS gives no examples of exploits, and there is no in-game communication of this particular action being considered an exploit.

Furthermore, due to their animations, dragonleap and ambush even look plausible when used to jump into a keep.

I wonder if making a forum post about cyrodiil's rules of engagement is really the best way to stop the behavior, or if maybe gap closers should just be adjusted instead. If it is too difficult to patch (and the issue is pressing enough) an in-game message would be helpful for curbing behavior, either in the TOS or some other means.

Exactly my point, I think posting how they did whoever said to do it I think was the wrong way of dealing with it. It's going to probably cause mess

No it works like this.

You log into PvP for the first time. You are given rules of engagement with the tutorial that tells you the following things are not allowed:

1. abusing any way to get into a keep without taking the walls down
2. taking a scroll without taking the gate down
3. taking a scroll without taking the outer wall down
4. using cross faction players to help other players exploit

etc etc

you agree to these rules and know they are bannable offenses.

This is not a blog post, a forum post or an email to your uncle fwd through facebook.

A literal in game piece of information given to you when you enter PVP.

If you say you didn't know at that point, you are lying or didn't read. Neither of which is acceptable.

You say I want justice? Nah, I mean I would love it if every single person who exploited their way to emp by resource boosting and those who exploit into keeps were gone from the game, but not because they of those reasons, but because they are generally toxic players.

There was a thread in general discussion about reading the tos

I'd skip to the bottom and hit accept because I'm just in a rush to play.

The list would be much bigger than that and also they are letting people know their are ways to exploit such things and then people would go and do it regardless. I don't think zos wants to write out how many bugs there are that people can exploit

Well then in that case you would be justifiably banned for your impatience.

I for one would read and follow every one of those rules

HeroOfNone · July 2016

I skipped the TOS, is it OK for me to use cheat engine? I mean I didn't read it and ZOS hasn't blocked it so it's ok right?

Nifty2g · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

hobicabobjob wrote: »

I don't often read the forums, and had no idea that gap-closing into keeps was a bannable offense until stumbling across this thread. I've seen just about every dragonknight in cyrodiil do it. A few weeks ago every nightblade seemed to be doing it. Today, it looks like 1 in 10 or so are using crit rush to goof off up top.

I'm not trying to make an argument that 'everyone else is doing it', but it is widespread enough to become a part of cyrodiil culture, and not everyone keeps up on the forums. If I started recording and reporting everyone I saw doing this, and they were banned, I expect the majority of them would have no clue as to why they were banned. The TOS gives no examples of exploits, and there is no in-game communication of this particular action being considered an exploit.

Furthermore, due to their animations, dragonleap and ambush even look plausible when used to jump into a keep.

I wonder if making a forum post about cyrodiil's rules of engagement is really the best way to stop the behavior, or if maybe gap closers should just be adjusted instead. If it is too difficult to patch (and the issue is pressing enough) an in-game message would be helpful for curbing behavior, either in the TOS or some other means.

Exactly my point, I think posting how they did whoever said to do it I think was the wrong way of dealing with it. It's going to probably cause mess

No it works like this.

You log into PvP for the first time. You are given rules of engagement with the tutorial that tells you the following things are not allowed:

1. abusing any way to get into a keep without taking the walls down
2. taking a scroll without taking the gate down
3. taking a scroll without taking the outer wall down
4. using cross faction players to help other players exploit

etc etc

you agree to these rules and know they are bannable offenses.

This is not a blog post, a forum post or an email to your uncle fwd through facebook.

A literal in game piece of information given to you when you enter PVP.

If you say you didn't know at that point, you are lying or didn't read. Neither of which is acceptable.

You say I want justice? Nah, I mean I would love it if every single person who exploited their way to emp by resource boosting and those who exploit into keeps were gone from the game, but not because they of those reasons, but because they are generally toxic players.

There was a thread in general discussion about reading the tos

I'd skip to the bottom and hit accept because I'm just in a rush to play.

The list would be much bigger than that and also they are letting people know their are ways to exploit such things and then people would go and do it regardless. I don't think zos wants to write out how many bugs there are that people can exploit

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

hobicabobjob wrote: »

I don't often read the forums, and had no idea that gap-closing into keeps was a bannable offense until stumbling across this thread. I've seen just about every dragonknight in cyrodiil do it. A few weeks ago every nightblade seemed to be doing it. Today, it looks like 1 in 10 or so are using crit rush to goof off up top.

I'm not trying to make an argument that 'everyone else is doing it', but it is widespread enough to become a part of cyrodiil culture, and not everyone keeps up on the forums. If I started recording and reporting everyone I saw doing this, and they were banned, I expect the majority of them would have no clue as to why they were banned. The TOS gives no examples of exploits, and there is no in-game communication of this particular action being considered an exploit.

Furthermore, due to their animations, dragonleap and ambush even look plausible when used to jump into a keep.

I wonder if making a forum post about cyrodiil's rules of engagement is really the best way to stop the behavior, or if maybe gap closers should just be adjusted instead. If it is too difficult to patch (and the issue is pressing enough) an in-game message would be helpful for curbing behavior, either in the TOS or some other means.

Exactly my point, I think posting how they did whoever said to do it I think was the wrong way of dealing with it. It's going to probably cause mess

No it works like this.

You log into PvP for the first time. You are given rules of engagement with the tutorial that tells you the following things are not allowed:

1. abusing any way to get into a keep without taking the walls down
2. taking a scroll without taking the gate down
3. taking a scroll without taking the outer wall down
4. using cross faction players to help other players exploit

etc etc

you agree to these rules and know they are bannable offenses.

This is not a blog post, a forum post or an email to your uncle fwd through facebook.

A literal in game piece of information given to you when you enter PVP.

If you say you didn't know at that point, you are lying or didn't read. Neither of which is acceptable.

You say I want justice? Nah, I mean I would love it if every single person who exploited their way to emp by resource boosting and those who exploit into keeps were gone from the game, but not because they of those reasons, but because they are generally toxic players.

There was a thread in general discussion about reading the tos

I'd skip to the bottom and hit accept because I'm just in a rush to play.

The list would be much bigger than that and also they are letting people know their are ways to exploit such things and then people would go and do it regardless. I don't think zos wants to write out how many bugs there are that people can exploit

Well then in that case you would be justifiably banned for your impatience.

I for one would read and follow every one of those rules

I don't think it's a fantastic idea for zos to write out all the bugs people can exploit
Do you honestly think that would go nicely and people would be the great and excellent person they are?

Of course not, just reading about leaping onto keeps sounds really fun

Grunim · July 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Grunim wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We are working on making some tweaks to certain gap closers that players are using to bypass core keep capture mechanics. It is not intended that gap closers be used to enter keeps without downing doors and/or walls, or enter areas you otherwise would not be able to without exploiting (below Dolmens, under water, etc.) While we are aware that players are using certain gap closers to do exactly these things, we do considered this behavior an exploit.

If you see another player exploiting in this manner, you can send us videos or other evidence by submitting a customer support ticket, by sending them to anyone on the Community or Moderation team here on the forums, or emailing us at community@elderscrollsonline.com.

Thank you!

But what happens if a new player not familiar with eso or a player who doesn't use forums walks into cyrodill all happy like and then happens to get onto a jeep but gets mass reported

Said player probably won't be happy about that, cause he or she might think it's just an added mechanic. I'm sure this happens quite a lot or is going to happen from now on

This is the worst case scenario, but a new player having used a gap closer in PvE and not flown around the world would use it in PvP and be like hmm thats strange.

Then ask, hey is this legit?

Then people say, nah, its bugged, don't do it.

Then they don't do it.

They don't get emperor and then troll kill hundreds of people inside a keep.

These are not the same

Judging from all the posts in here and what was even said "cheating is cheating"
I'd say yes they are the same

This is why personal with this sort of bug I don't think zos should start banning for it, because some people are doing it unintentionally

Also no one uses gap closers in pve, and when you think about it logically dragon leaping into a keep sounds like a mechanic and so does teleport strike onto a keep sounds like a mechanic.

I'm all for sorting exploits out but with one like this there's going to be a lot of innocents banned

Then the goal should be to inform. If they are reported and shown to have gapped into a keep, they get a message saying that is exploitative behavior.

If they continue, ignorance is not viable.

A message where, in game a lot of players turn zone chat off or chat off completely might even be playing offline

An email? Could have also used an old email when signing up

I'm just giving you real scenarios that will happen or excuses people will make use of and why announcing it as an exploit is a bad idea, the witch hunt is now on

Alright, how about an in-game mail or an in-game notification message advising the player to desist from the exploitative behavior? There comes a point where individuals need to be held accountable for their actions.

They don't have game masters so I don't think in game mail would happen or anything related to that
I could be wrong though

Some players, myself included, have received an in-game mail message from a GM. They do have the capability to do this.