UPDATE: Zenimax official statment of gap closers being an exploit in here

Azurethe · July 2016

Here you go again about my human and mental stability. It's a good thing I have you on block now cause you just kept whispering me about it over and over again, just not knowing when to say "wtf am I doing". I will RP on the forums because Elder Scrolls Online is also an RP game, and I love to make light of this horrible situation, I gap closed into a keep, and there is now a 4 page thread putting me on blast when I've just been joking around with people in it

yodased · July 2016

Azurethe wrote: »

Here you go again about my human and mental stability. It's a good thing I have you on block now cause you just kept whispering me about it over and over again, just not knowing when to say "wtf am I doing". I will RP on the forums because Elder Scrolls Online is also an RP game, and I love to make light of this horrible situation, I gap closed into a keep, and there is now a 4 page thread putting me on blast when I've just been joking around with people in it

This is the problem:

treat other people like garbage.

disregard set rules for personal gain.

use unfair and exploitative behavior to give your already advantaged character more of an advantage.

I am not on about mental stability, you obviously are a sane and intelligent person.

I am on about:

the choices you make to cause other people problems, discomfort or stress gives you pleasure.

That is pretty messed up.

Eshelmen · July 2016

They need to change how AP is earned in general. The fact these two had nothing more important to do (like take a scroll or keeps) says something. They put their time towards ganking for their own personal benefit(AP farming) and not their factions. But why should they? Who cares about being first or second at the end of the campaign as long as you get tier 3 or top 2% you're good!

Cyrodiil in general has been a constant clutter of pointless zerg fests. Why should players take keeps if the majority of AP is just from killing players? It's a mess.

As for crit rushing into keeps-
if all gap closers did this, then I'd be more for it. Why should those with specific gap closers only be allowed to get in keeps? Seems a bit unbalanced to me.
I use toppling charge on my magplar and can't do anything like that.
I'm sure other abilities have their own gap closers that don't work like this either.
Make it for all gap closers or get it the hell out of here.

OGLezard · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

Azurethe wrote: »

Here you go again about my human and mental stability. It's a good thing I have you on block now cause you just kept whispering me about it over and over again, just not knowing when to say "wtf am I doing". I will RP on the forums because Elder Scrolls Online is also an RP game, and I love to make light of this horrible situation, I gap closed into a keep, and there is now a 4 page thread putting me on blast when I've just been joking around with people in it

This is the problem:

treat other people like garbage.

disregard set rules for personal gain.

use unfair and exploitative behavior to give your already advantaged character more of an advantage.

I am not on about mental stability, you obviously are a sane and intelligent person.

I am on about:

the choices you make to cause other people problems, discomfort or stress gives you pleasure.

That is pretty messed up.

I have said it three times and i will say it again; this thread will be locked before any exploiters (reported or admitting using em) will be banned.

Makes me sad lol

Azurethe · July 2016

I now know this is what ZOS considers an exploit, and will cease any further use against people standing on the ledge of a keep sniping me

Dradhok · July 2016

This is an exploit plain and simple. It is obviously counter to the normal game mechanics, thus it should be a ban-able
offense. ZOS is probably working a fix to drop into a future patch, however there should be efforts to limit the exploitation until a permanent fix is put in place.

yodased · July 2016

Azurethe wrote: »

I now know this is what ZOS considers an exploit, and will cease any further use against people standing on the ledge of a keep sniping me

And we are done. I mean, this is not a hard thing right? This entire debacle could have been handled in game like I tried to yesterday man to man, but you guys gotta troll

Wollust · July 2016

Eshelmen wrote: »

They need to change how AP is earned in general. The fact these two had nothing more important to do (like take a scroll or keeps) says something. They put their time towards ganking for their own personal benefit(AP farming) and not their factions. But why should they? Who cares about being first or second at the end of the campaign as long as you get tier 3 or top 2% you're good!

Cyrodiil in general has been a constant clutter of pointless zerg fests. Why should players take keeps if the majority of AP is just from killing players? It's a mess.

As for crit rushing into keeps-
if all gap closers did this, then I'd be more for it. Why should those with specific gap closers only be allowed to get in keeps? Seems a bit unbalanced to me.
I use toppling charge on my magplar and can't do anything like that.
I'm sure other abilities have their own gap closers that don't work like this either.
Make it for all gap closers or get it the hell out of here.

Actually toppling charge can do it as well as crit rush. And Dragon Leap. And Invasion.

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

I have had significantly less stress since I just walked away from PvP . This was difficult to do as its my favorite part of the game . Instead of turning on everyone I enjoy PvP with normally because this exploit ZOS created , was made aware of , and did nothing about ... I found it easier to leave Cyrodiil . I never wanted to see any punishment for this exploit anyways because it's so easily accidentally created , non aware players would get bad reputations as well . That's not fair and neither is the using it purposely to farm salt from respectable players .

ZOS , this really falls in your lap to fix now . You're months late so get started please .

yodased · July 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I have had significantly less stress since I just walked away from PvP . This was difficult to do as its my favorite part of the game . Instead of turning on everyone I enjoy PvP with normally because this exploit ZOS created , was made aware of , and did nothing about ... I found it easier to leave Cyrodiil . I never wanted to see any punishment for this exploit anyways because it's so easily accidentally created , non aware players would get bad reputations as well . That's not fair and neither is the using it purposely to farm salt from respectable players .

ZOS , this really falls in your lap to fix now . You're months late so get started please .

I would rather not play this awesome portion of the game because people are abusing it so much it makes it not fun for me.

That is such a *** up sentiment, that is just accepted.

I am not a passive person, I can not sit by and watch *** happen without calling the ***.

Yes it sucks, but these people need to be put on blast, not coddled to or looked down upon, put. on. blast.

TequilaFire · July 2016

IDK had great fun killing wall jumpers this weekend, especially a blue emp at his own keep (Glademist).
Just have to have new strategies and keep away from wall edges.
Should be fixed though, or make inside of keeps not penetrated do damage over time like caltrops to discourage.

Robbmrp · July 2016

I couldn't agree more with the OP. The fact that these cheaters can do this by exploiting skills that are clearly not intended shows their lack of class and sportsmanship. If you need to cheat to win, you shouldn't be playing this game. The fact that gap closers can get to places where they shouldn't be is a serious issue that needs to be addressed asap.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, @ZOS_RichLambert, @Wrobel when are Gap closers going to be fixed so people cannot use them as an exploit in a way not intended by ZOS???? Clearly these aren't working as intended as there's no way that someone should be able to jump up 1-3 levels with a gap closer. They should work only on ground level and not allow people to fly into keeps.

If you truly want people to be able to bypass sieging their way into a keep, then add in Ladders and Siege towers that operate the same way as a ram does. It should require x number of players to move it into position and allow a few players inside. At least this way we could counter them instead of a stupid dragon leap or any other closer flying people through the air.

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I have had significantly less stress since I just walked away from PvP . This was difficult to do as its my favorite part of the game . Instead of turning on everyone I enjoy PvP with normally because this exploit ZOS created , was made aware of , and did nothing about ... I found it easier to leave Cyrodiil . I never wanted to see any punishment for this exploit anyways because it's so easily accidentally created , non aware players would get bad reputations as well . That's not fair and neither is the using it purposely to farm salt from respectable players .

ZOS , this really falls in your lap to fix now . You're months late so get started please .

I would rather not play this awesome portion of the game because people are abusing it so much it makes it not fun for me.

That is such a *** up sentiment, that is just accepted.

I am not a passive person, I can not sit by and watch *** happen without calling the ***.

Yes it sucks, but these people need to be put on blast, not coddled to or looked down upon, put. on. blast.

You have every right to feel the way you do . I agree that if ZOS wants to call it an exploit , you're justified in getting upset in its purposeful use . But pick your battles wisely . You have no support from ZOS on its actual punishment or consequence . A cop can write tickets for jaywalking but if a Judge throws out every case , a smart cop stops writing tickets and keeps his hair from falling out another 10 years . You think I coddle anyone that cheats you're very wrong . My disassociation is usually more then enough to get friends to stop . We can't make everyone stop but we do try .

Eventually these things correct themselves in communities as many people that don't know when to quit get a bad taint to their name and people just won't help , listen or cooperate with them anymore . Eventually after ZOS gets their crap together and fixes the issue , it will be gone for a time and those that played with respect will faintly remembered and those that didn't sharply remembered .

Pomaikai · July 2016

ZOS has a perfect opportunity to clear up the gap closing exploit issue, and they'll lock the thread without a reply.

HeroOfNone · July 2016

From what I can see here:

DC/GAP closer into keeps uses: Excuse, excuse, excuse, see? It's not that bad compared to cheat engine!

Sorry, but no, stop addressing the people like you did nothing wrong. You know what you did was wrong otherwise you wouldn't bother typing it. And if you know it's wrong, then stop doing it, you have the skill to do so. I don't know why this seems to be a consistent argument taken be DC when they are caught cheating, maybe because other members of your alliance are influencing you, but if there is an an exploit that will give you an advantage over another player then you should obviously not use it. Have some sportsmanship for God's sake.

Defeatists: don't bother! ZOS won't do anything!

If that's the case why are you playing or wasting your time posting here? Your salty your voice alone isn't being listened to, I get that, but they do listen a good part of the time on this stuff with enough complaining. For example: gaurd removal on gate walls, protection around the scroll, a temp ban on done hackers, removal of several exploits (and acknowledgement AFTER their removal). They don't always work how you may want them to, but they do more stuff then you give em credit for.

Yoda & the rest: stuff

I agree, this is annoying. I think some of it could be cases where dumb AD & EP get too close to castle edges and let the enemy get in, but there are a few that do it so consistently that it does deserve further investigation. I think there needs to be ability restrictions in keeps to prevent this though, and further checks. Also keep in mind ZOS has been rather dodgy when asked if certain abilities (dragon leap) should be allowed to used to get into castles. I too would like a clear definition on this, and an response from ZOS giving clear examples should be used.

yodased · July 2016

I would like to say, thank you for the community not turning this into a typical conversation about these topics.

Even those who hate me or are in complete dissent have been respectful for the most part, and that is saying something.

So honestly, thank you for being decent humans.

Back on topic, its baloney.

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Ishammael · July 2016

Gonna be honest, gap closing into a keep is way more fun.

Setting up siege on a keep got old in like... 1.3

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Is there anyway to at least move the tower mages into a position that can't be gap closed and still be effective for the time being ? I realize it's going to take a lot more work to stop the issue with doing this to players but is there anyway you can Bandaid patch this for the time being ? It would at least stop part of the problem for now .

Robbmrp · July 2016

DrMoonMoon wrote: »

That moment when you realize what y'all are reporting people for isn't actaully against the rules and just a matter of opinion of what you BELIEVE is the right way for ZOS to conduct PvP. This thread is just basically people raging because someone is better than them and thus it isn't fair.

You must be working on a farm because that's such a load of horsesh*t your trying to shovel. Clearly the exploiters can't hack it against non cheating players otherwise they wouldn't be using the exploits in the first place.

Docmandu · July 2016

Exploit early, exploit often! -- The Elder Scrolls Motto.

Outer_Rim · July 2016

Yep Failgrush started calling it "grappling hooks"

i don't see a difference between this and using CE at all, just because it's a broken mechanic doesn't mean it's ok to abuse it.

Minalan · July 2016

Wow is all I have to say. When AD's gankblade emperor did this exact same thing to DC just two days ago, somehow it didn't warrant a four page thread. I was there, I was on that wall and we held back at least 50 AD potatoes with ultimates and siege - until she jumped up and killed all of us.

We lost that keep, respawned, and got over it.

It's only when they get a taste of their own nasty medicine that the whining begins. And then people wonder why we ALL hate on AD so much.

Robbmrp · July 2016

Outer_Rim wrote: »

Yep Failgrush started calling it "grappling hooks" i don't see a difference between this and using CE at all, just because it's a broken mechanic doesn't mean it's ok to abuse it.

@Outer_Rim exactly. In a day and age where people feel so entitled, you cannot expect them to take the high road and not use broken mechanics. The choice has to be taken from them which is really sad. It says a lot about the lack of character that most people have these days. The world is going to sh*t and spiraling down faster than people can gap close cheat their way into keeps!

Grao · July 2016

Great, @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_AlanG !

Move this thread to Alliance War where it will get no visibility what so ever, don't even make a comment on it and just hope no one notices. I noticed and noticed as well that you moved the thread and said nothing regarding the problem. Great job.

yodased · July 2016

Minalan wrote: »

Wow is all I have to say. When AD's gankblade emperor did this exact same thing to DC just two days ago, somehow it didn't warrant a four page thread. I was there, I was on that wall and we held back at least 50 AD potatoes with ultimates and siege - until she jumped up and killed all of us.

We lost that keep, respawned, and got over it.

It's only when they get a taste of their own nasty medicine that the whining begins. And then people wonder why we ALL hate on AD so much.

If I was there and saw it., it would have. I don't give a darn what faction you play for. If you cheat you should be gone. Every single person needs to be put on blast that does this ***.

You thinking i am whining because I got beat? Please, come to azura and watch how much I die. Watch how much I suck at PvP and watch how I rez and run back in.

I know I suck, I know my playstyle is not one that will ever be emperor or even that effective, but i have fun.

I don't bag on anyone for being great at the game, kill me 1v1, you deserve it. I will never rage at dying to legitimate means, nor to better players.

Really I dgaf about dying in a game, the point is this *** has to stop somewhere. The people who make the game are not going to stop it, so it is up to the people witnessing it to make sure everyone knows about the *** happening.

I am not going to stand by and watch people drag the experience down, as fruitless as it may be, I will be the proverbial town cryer, for that at least gives me some semblance of resolution, as dumb as that may be.

Judge all you want.

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Van_0S · July 2016

Grao wrote: »

Great, @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_AlanG !

Move this thread to Alliance War where it will get no visibility what so ever, don't even make a comment on it and just hope no one notices. I noticed and noticed as well that you moved the thread and said nothing regarding the problem. Great job.

I didn't know, this thread was shifted to alliance war because of the bookmark.
Again, ZO$ is trying to run away from the problem!

yodased · July 2016

Van_0S wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

Great, @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_AlanG !

Move this thread to Alliance War where it will get no visibility what so ever, don't even make a comment on it and just hope no one notices. I noticed and noticed as well that you moved the thread and said nothing regarding the problem. Great job.

I didn't know, this thread was shifted to alliance war because of the bookmark.
Again, ZO$ is trying to run away from the problem!

LoL I didn't notice that, I put it in general because this is a community issue

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

Alliance War is the forum dungeon .

yodased · July 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Alliance War is the forum dungeon .

Well thats appropriate for my thread to be there then...

On topic, it's baloney that this game has broken code, its even more baloney people exploit that brokeness

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Mortehl · July 2016

Eshelmen wrote: »

Cyrodiil in general has been a constant clutter of pointless zerg fests.

Okay, now comments like this kind of bug me. This isn't a one v one game, or even a small group game. There's a reason why the group size is 24. It's because it was designed for large groups.... And as for Zergs, I happen to pvp with a guild that puts together 24 man teams I'd stack up against any 100 man Zerg any day of the week, twice on weekends. And we do go up against them and we take a huge crap on them too.

Large scale combat is not pointless, not in the slightest. It's highly challenging, requires excellent coordination, strong leadership, and people who want to win and win big.