Is Gap Closing a Keep cheating?

Vaoh · July 2016

No

Is it slightly unfair and very stupid? Yes.

Is it the same as cheating, hacking, or exploiting? No.

Fix it ZOS.

Make gap closers function correctly. Why is this so much to ask.....

Rudyard · July 2016

Yes

ZOS has clearly taken action in past patches to stop gap closing or other exploiting onto the side of keeps. They need to address this round of it sooner rather than later, as they are losing what little credibility they have left.

Nightenhowl · July 2016

No

Zos doesn't care about pvp so they made everything easy.

FriedEggSandwich · July 2016

Yes

Exploiting is cheating, so yeah it's cheating. Hacking is also cheating, but not exploiting. Cheating is the broad term.

FriedEggSandwich · July 2016

Yes

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Confirmed grappling hooks best addition to game yet

It is not a addition to the game it is a broken mechanic that Zenimax needs to fix.

No, Im pretty sure ZOS said on ESO live it is a featured addition to Cyrodiil as grappling hooks.

No it's a exploit but players like you don't wanna admit it cause you want easy mode and to look good on your streams taking taking keeps with out any one knowing.

Like no offense but are you really that bad at PvP you can't even play it right or not use cheese builds and set and spam skills ?

He knows it's cheating but he hates sieging. Zos should take a lesson from that; provide some core objectives that don't involve pvdoor/pvwall. I also hate sieging; the fun starts when you're inside, I just don't have access to a gap closer.

Vangy · July 2016

No

It's a feature. Coming in update 11;

1) gap close someone from one wayshrine to the next! (must be adjacent wayshrine)
2) Morphs: allows you to gap close a random target from one wayshrine to ANY other wayshrine OR
Cause a stun PBAOE around you when you arrive at wayshrine.

FENGRUSH · July 2016

No

DocFrost72 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Confirmed grappling hooks best addition to game yet

It is not a addition to the game it is a broken mechanic that Zenimax needs to fix.

No, Im pretty sure ZOS said on ESO live it is a featured addition to Cyrodiil as grappling hooks.

lemme grab my climbing gear cause grappling hooks sound sweet.

Confirmed - all gap closers are built in with the new grappling hook feature introduced by ZOS as confirmed recently I believe. Lets have some fun out there!

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Confirmed grappling hooks best addition to game yet

It is not a addition to the game it is a broken mechanic that Zenimax needs to fix.

No, Im pretty sure ZOS said on ESO live it is a featured addition to Cyrodiil as grappling hooks.

lemme grab my climbing gear cause grappling hooks sound sweet.

Confirmed - all gap closers are built in with the new grappling hook feature introduced by ZOS as confirmed recently I believe. Lets have some fun out there!

Rylana · July 2016

Yes

Its no longer a novelty, its become a meta, and it needs fixed, not in six months but to-day.

ColoursYouHave · July 2016

No

It is technically an exploit, but I think it should stay. Its actually pretty fun. You shouldn't be able to gap close NPCs to get into keeps though, only other players, as that prevents people from being able to take keeps without anybody around to defend.

frozywozy · July 2016

No

Not a cheat, but an exploit. Make sure to submit a report including the name of the player, the time frame and the name of the campaign you've seen it happening.

zyk · July 2016

Intentionally exploiting a bug is a form of cheating. Heh. Though, I do not think that is the case here.

Another form of cheating is breaking the rules. As an absolute, it's against the rules to use a gap closer to gain access to keep walls and inner keeps without first knocking down a wall. But how is a player supposed to know this? It's unreasonable to expect players to dig through forum posts to verify. Breaking this rule is as simple as using an ability as it appears to be designed.

krathos · July 2016

No

I mean technically yes it's an exploit. But since they don't work on flat ground half the time I think it's a tradeoff to be able to fly directly up to a keep wall. Kidding.. but seriously gap closers are borked right now.

Xexpo · July 2016

ZOS said it was unintended, no eta on fix.
In the meantime, do your best to gets scouts on exploitable keeps, and don't stand on the edge of walls or on grates over front porches.

silky_soft · July 2016

No

They can either fix it or implement it as a feature. 2 years down the track and still no fixed.

Loves_guars · July 2016

Yes

DocFrost72 wrote: »

That awkward moment when players support a ZOS confirmed exploit, on ZoS's site, and I know nothing will happen.

Seriously, big epiphany moment. Thank you all!

Indeed, that's how this game's pvp is. A race between outspoken exploiters and cheaters while Zenimax looks the other way. If I go to Cyrodiil at all is to have a good laugh with my friends; for a semi-serious experience I'd recommend other games.

RadioheadSh0t · July 2016

No

It's not a good thing, and its a big reason I haven't played much PVP lately, but ZOS certainly isn't going to ban players for, and they shouldn't. Don't punish the players for your own incompetence.

Everyone should use it, and force ZOS to fix it. They're just terrible at coding, and I'm not sure they can. Here's a timeline:

-All gap closers work except Toppling.
-ZOS tries to fix Toppling and break all gap closers.
-ZOS tries to fix gap closers, leading to the problem we have now.

With the CE problem and watching ZOS fail miserably with gap closers, they've reached a new low. But why fix the game when people will pay $40 for a mount?

Zuvanov · July 2016

No

I'm assuming the ppl who voted yes are the ppl who get killed once their safe space is invaded.

SleepyTroll · July 2016

IDK zos why the *** do we have to answer this question!? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom. Like holy *** it's simple ZOS made the game you know what's cheating or not why does this even need to be a question??? Or what about the guy who is charge of cyrodiil? Does he even know what he's doing?

Rylana · July 2016

Yes

Zuvanov wrote: »

I'm assuming the ppl who voted yes are the ppl who get killed once their safe space is invaded.

Considering every time you try it you get jesus beamed to death for free AP, no, thats not my motive.

But in all seriousness, it saddens me to see some of the better players in the game crutching on this trashcan playstyle.

RadioheadSh0t · July 2016

No

The lack of fix on gap closers is another big middle finger at the PvP community. They knew this was going to happen from PTS, and they went ahead with it anyways, because the fix where they broke everything hurt PvP more adversely affected PvE. Remember when Overload was broken? How quick did they fix that? Because PvE players used it. How about every grind spot that ever became popular? Nerfed immediately. Yet problems in Cyrodiil go on for months or years on end, some of which it's hard to understand how they aren't addressed.

I want to hold out hope for ESO's PvP, because I think it could work in a BG or Arena setting, but how can anyone hold faith when the simplest things are just broken and left unattended? When "fixes" are implemented even though they severely break PvP just to fix another problem they created? It's hard for me to even want to come back when other games grab your attention, and little by little I'm learning that PvP in this game will be forever neglected.

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

zos has so many problems right now . The Xbox debacle with ESO plus . The cheating scandal . The costumer service debacle with closed unfixed tickets piling up . I think someone in charge just gave up . The kitchens on fire at Jack N the box and the managers reading Facebook notifications . I've seen better service and management at the DMV . No seriously .

Jamie22 · July 2016

99% of the people saying yes are most likely zerglings that sit on keep walls spamming Snipe and Radiant

Azurethe · July 2016

No

Oh wait, it was on the PTS before the patch went live. Forum threads, videos, tickets on it. They still went live with it, and didn't even hit fix it, and instead decided to make it a nice feature in next patch. If this is at all a permanent bannable offense, ZOS needs to get their shite together

Zuvanov · July 2016

No

Rylana wrote: »

Zuvanov wrote: »

I'm assuming the ppl who voted yes are the ppl who get killed once their safe space is invaded.

Considering every time you try it you get jesus beamed to death for free AP, no, thats not my motive.

But in all seriousness, it saddens me to see some of the better players in the game crutching on this trashcan playstyle.

It amuses me that trash players are so butthurt that they can't rely on a safe space all the time, but ok sure I get jesus beamed to death according to you lol (?), but if that were true I don't see what the problem is.

Mojomonkeyman · July 2016

Yes

It is beyond me how anyone could defend this. This whole vigilante justice kind of thing you guys got going is out of place, illusional and a sad excuse for opportunistic behaviour.

How about you come back to earth and play fair game?

Jaybe_Mawfaka · July 2016

No

It's a feature

Turelus · July 2016

No

Until such a time as ZOS come out and state it's an exploit then it's not cheating.

Now I don't agree with it and think it should be cheating, but unless ZOS take a stand it isn't and we have to deal with it being part of the current meta until it's fixed. This isn't the first time issues like this have plagued Cyrodiil and it won't be the last.

Swampfox1954 · July 2016

Unfortunately the OP didn't add a 3rd spot with an Exploiting Option

I wouldn't call it cheating as the game at present allows it to happen

Its obviously an exploit and everyone including ZOS knows it

Fixing it is required and ZOS should at least acknowledge they are working on it

On the same token If your dumb enough to stand on a keep structures edge whistling dixie then your letting your faction down

To me its avoidable by simply being in sneak or moving back from the edges (both outer and inner) of Keeps and Outposts

By rights you should keep doing something like repairing siege weapons or healing and protecting your team rather than being a total zombie

That's probably too much to hope for as some don't give a stuff about the campaign just AP

KisoValley · July 2016

No

No, some of the best ap gains are from gap closing into a keep and killing all the randoms who ambush/wb/jesus beam spam, should stay ingame so I and others can gain free ap