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Elegant Set - boosting the already crazy OP Sorc Overload... bug or are you just nuts?
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Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭One of my guild mates boasted yesterday in guild chat that they did 37k light attacks with this set!
OP?.... you be the judge
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Shadesofkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭One of my guild mates boasted yesterday in guild chat that they did 37k light attacks with this set!
OP?.... you be the judge
Not at all, I can pull higher than that off with a Molten Powered fully charge Heavy Lightning and it does AOE.0 -
MaxwellC✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lol I'm done with this thread post. Everyone seems to miss the point and all it's come to is sorcs defending a set that increases ultimate damage of OL by 20%. I'd have no problem if it were a class skill doing that because hey that's their class skill but when it comes to a SET a piece of ARMOR increasing someones ultimate by 20% that IMO is mental; ultimates are unique abilities and should stay that way only being influenced by buffs and class specific passives.
I think it's time we introduce a gap closer set that increases all gap closer damage by 20% so I can take flight insta kill some people today since players deem that's fair game lol.. My take flight on a bow bar already hitting 20k buffed, with a crit over 60%, class specific empower, let's also throw in the CP exploiter for that extra 10% damage to off balance enemies and hello insta kill. I won't throw in the heavy attack buff that gives 10% more damage when I complete a heavy attack.
Here's some math... 10k in cyrodiil multiply that by 50% = 15k (no critical included) so let's add the critical modifier alongside the fact that I've got 15% extra damage in my CP that isn't calculated by tool tip. So critical damage if it procs does 50% more damage but I have 15% extra damage with CP so that'll be 65%; 65% multiply that by 15k and that's 24750. So let's say you have 1500 critical resistance I believe to calculate the amount of damage it negates it's simple add and subtract = 23520 let's also multiply 24750 first by 25% (hardy) and add the calculation with impen that'll be a whopping 17080 and that's if you have 100 into hardy lol kk I'm now exiting stage right.
Addition: Feel free to add your physical resistance to the calculations I did since I just did 25% of hardy which I'm sure is 25% multiplied by your resistance then resistance * my armor penetration (5280 +1100 since I have some into armor pen CP which I forgot to add opps)
*Mic Dropped*Edited by MaxwellC on July 3, 2016 3:31PM不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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Shadesofkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭MaxwellCrystal wrote: »Lol I'm done with this thread post. Everyone seems to miss the point and all it's come to is sorcs defending a set that increases ultimate damage of OL by 20%. I'd have no problem if it were a class skill doing that because hey that's their class skill but when it comes to a SET a piece of ARMOR increasing someones ultimate by 20% that IMO is mental; ultimates are unique abilities and should stay that way only being influenced by buffs and class specific passives.
I think it's time we introduce a gap closer set that increases all gap closer damage by 20% so I can take flight insta kill some people today since players deem that's fair game lol.. My take flight on a bow bar already hitting 20k buffed, with a crit over 60%, class specific empower, let's also throw in the CP exploiter for that extra 10% damage to off balance enemies and hello insta kill. I won't throw in the heavy attack buff that gives 10% more damage when I complete a heavy attack.
Here's some math... 10k in cyrodiil multiply that by 50% = 15k (no critical included) so let's add the critical modifier alongside the fact that I've got 15% extra damage in my CP that isn't calculated by tool tip. So critical damage if it procs does 50% more damage but I have 15% extra damage with CP so that'll be 65%; 65% multiply that by 15k and that's 24750. So let's say you have 1500 critical resistance I believe to calculate the amount of damage it negates it's simple add and subtract = 23520 let's also multiply 24750 first by 25% (hardy) and add the calculation with impen that'll be a whopping 17080 and that's if you have 100 into hardy lol kk I'm now exiting stage right.
*Mic Dropped*
It's a 5pc set bonus, it offers no crit rating so you have to get that through mundus or another set, most pvp players are wearing 5 impen or more so kiss most of your crit goodbye, any smart pvp player is throwing a bunch of points in ele defender as well as Hardy so they can mitigate some of that damage, and roll dodging works on Overload attacks (unlike Meteors).
DK's can reflect it, Templars can heal through it, Nightblades can run from it.Edited by Shadesofkin on July 3, 2016 3:34PM2 -
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✭✭MaxwellCrystal wrote: »Lol I'm done with this thread post. Everyone seems to miss the point and all it's come to is sorcs defending a set that increases ultimate damage of OL by 20%. I'd have no problem if it were a class skill doing that because hey that's their class skill but when it comes to a SET a piece of ARMOR increasing someones ultimate by 20% that IMO is mental; ultimates are unique abilities and should stay that way only being influenced by buffs and class specific passives.
I think it's time we introduce a gap closer set that increases all gap closer damage by 20% so I can take flight insta kill some people today since players deem that's fair game lol.. My take flight on a bow bar already hitting 20k buffed, with a crit over 60%, class specific empower, let's also throw in the CP exploiter for that extra 10% damage to off balance enemies and hello insta kill. I won't throw in the heavy attack buff that gives 10% more damage when I complete a heavy attack.
Here's some math... 10k in cyrodiil multiply that by 50% = 15k (no critical included) so let's add the critical modifier alongside the fact that I've got 15% extra damage in my CP that isn't calculated by tool tip. So critical damage if it procs does 50% more damage but I have 15% extra damage with CP so that'll be 65%; 65% multiply that by 15k and that's 24750. So let's say you have 1500 critical resistance I believe to calculate the amount of damage it negates it's simple add and subtract = 23520 let's also multiply 24750 first by 25% (hardy) and add the calculation with impen that'll be a whopping 17080 and that's if you have 100 into hardy lol kk I'm now exiting stage right.
Addition: Feel free to add your physical resistance to the calculations I did since I just did 25% of hardy which I'm sure is 25% multiplied by your resistance then resistance * my armor penetration (5280 +1100 since I have some into armor pen CP which I forgot to add opps)
*Mic Dropped*
Can you pick your mic back up please. It honestly doesn't look like you finished in your rant? Still don't get the point...not like this is the last set and 2ndly it's actually an old set. Didn't see anyone crying about this last year?
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✭✭✭✭✭heh yes, sorc overload only thing this is good for. yeeees only look right at that build, no other build.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
NefasClass RepresentativeMaxwellCrystal wrote: »Lol I'm done with this thread post. Everyone seems to miss the point and all it's come to is sorcs defending a set that increases ultimate damage of OL by 20%. I'd have no problem if it were a class skill doing that because hey that's their class skill but when it comes to a SET a piece of ARMOR increasing someones ultimate by 20% that IMO is mental; ultimates are unique abilities and should stay that way only being influenced by buffs and class specific passives.
It's a set that can be used on Magicka NB/DK as well. It doesn't necessarily have to be only for Sorcerers in this case. There are other sets out there anyhow that do affect your ultimates in one way or another including ult cost reduction, ult gain, ults buffing group through itself+passives+5x bonus, etc. Elegance is just another in line that happens to buff Overload as using it is considered Light or Heavy attacks.
I personally am using 5x Elegance on a Sorcerer (courtesy of @YoloWizard http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/2-1-8-the-yolo-wizard-magicka-sorcerer-insane-burst-dps-pve-build/) but the 20% buff is only slightly there without other things in place like a rotation with Liquid Lightning, Wall of Elements (with Maelstrom Inferno) and so on.
And even then compared to other classes, even with this set, Sorc DPS for the most part (sustained PvE) fluctuates wildly and is not comparable to the near consistent 40-50k DPS I have seen pulled off in groups with magicka Nightblades, magicka DKs or magicka Templar in pretty much the same scenarios (with Warhorn, resistance debuffs, etc).
PvP-wise, the only times I've ever seen Overload being used is by Sorcerers in big groups that don't have to be careful in guarding themselves or by @Thelon & one other Sorc I know. The only time I've ever been killed by Overload in an actual encounter is when I was on a lvl 19 Templar with an incomplete 2nd bar (no Vigor, no evasion, no Repentance, no actual gear) in Haderus. Overload is not OP even with Elegance as a few others in this thread have already pointed out.Here's some math nonsense
Fixed.Edited by Nefas on October 6, 2016 5:45AM1 -
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✭Shadesofkin wrote: »
I can pull welll over 40m+ with a bow heavy on my woodelf. pve, not stealth.
I can make high end sorc overload dps look lije *** with my best dps rotation, but here's the deal. for pure boss burns, esp on a mobile target or distance fight sorc ovl is awesome, and I'm glad they get buffed by this set. really I am, because sorx dps is complete crap. if they can rapid fire heavy damage 4x in a trial or dungeon, let them have it guys. They don't have much going for them let thwm have some viability with thwir build.
I'm in a tier1 trials guild and sorcs are picked over 100% of the time unless they have molag kena in perfect traits and a 3mil gold item set.
this is definitely not gamebreaking.0 -
jknight201✭✭✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »A sorcerer that is built with Elegant + Julianos/Kena. They deal a lot of damage, but they die once you get close. Imo, Elegant is fine. A sorcerer that runs with an Elegant-built has chosen to play their sorc that way, andit's a choice they make. You can hate it as much as you want - or think of it as a bad build, but in the end, it's what the person is comfortable with. And tbf, theres heaps of other things that needs to be adressed in PvP, the occasional Overload + Elegant spammer is pretty rare, anyway.
I've tried Elegant + Julianos and Elegant + Infallible and honestly, my DPS was about the same. It is a little situational as the OL hit for more but "normal" damage hit for the about the same or less. In PVE it's OK. I haven't tried it in PVP, but I doubt it's OP. As other people have pointed out, OL is a bad PVP skill in general as it is slow to cast, slow to hit and can be dodged/reflected. Anyone consistently getting killed by sorc OL just needs to L2P.0 -
Jurand80✭✭✭✭elegant + necropotence + 100cp ele dmg 80cp crit dmg
OL hits for 51k max
this way you do meh dmg just trying to power up OL and then you hit like one punch man
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S1ipperyJim✭✭✭✭✭Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »SienneYviete wrote: »Stop being bad and L2P it's reflectable, has slow projectile speed and dodgeable. If you let this hit you in pvp you deserve to die. Stop making pointless nerf threads when the fact of the matter is that you're just plain bad. God i'm sick to death of these whinging scrubs on these forums.
1) l2p is just a silly argument with no substance.
2) I didn't say nerf it - I ask if the +20% set bonus is suppose to add 20% damage to an ULTIMATE
3) No one asked you to come into this thread and QQ - Take your own advice because you must be sick to death of yourself
no different to empowering a meteor0 -
S1ipperyJim✭✭✭✭✭jknight201 wrote: »I've tried Elegant + Julianos and Elegant + Infallible and honestly, my DPS was about the same. It is a little situational as the OL hit for more but "normal" damage hit for the about the same or less. In PVE it's OK. I haven't tried it in PVP, but I doubt it's OP. As other people have pointed out, OL is a bad PVP skill in general as it is slow to cast, slow to hit and can be dodged/reflected. Anyone consistently getting killed by sorc OL just needs to L2P.
Exactly my experience, Queens Elegance set is fun to create big numbers in OL but not really practical for any kind of sustained DPS
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This is a necroed 5 month old thread. The people your quoting may not be playing the game anymore or may not frequent the forums. It is why we do not necro threads.0
