SMH ... if a quest tells you to jump, you ask how high?

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »

A better ending would be that you could refuse and she'd just push you off anyway

You do have the option to say NO to her, but you have to fight her ... and I'm not telling how it ends though.

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Why must we always be the "nice" person?

I get asked by a complete stranger to make the "ultimate sacrifice" and kill myself in order to free her and her companions. Where is my option to separate her head from her neck and proceed to do the same to her friends? I want to be the biggest *** bag but this game doesn't let me.

MY IMMERSION!!!!!!!

I agree. It is jarring to be walking around saving everyone you meet, and then meet a merchant and be offered the option "No - give me all of your gold now!"

On the other hand, I am deliberately creating & leveling a character to do the Dark Brotherhood who doesn't care about anyone and will kill strangers for very little reason, yet he has to do a hundred quests where he helps random folks he meets like a good Samaritan.

Is it this like any quest in elder scrolls, you gotta help out everyone who has problems .

That's why for some time now I prefer games like Pillars of Eternity or Baldur's Gate. TES never had a good inviroment for roleplaying gameplay-wise, nevertheless lore is quite interesting and can be a basis for a lot of interesting narratives and hard choices.
I got to say though, that the main quest is written quite well as a few side quests and DLC ones, but the majority of narrative is just plain stupid, even brain-dead. No offence, but ZOS writers should consider to change this sorrowful course. I know, that it's not possible to rewrite old narratives from the scratch, but at least try not to make such mistakes in the future. Clockwork DLC was pretty interesting, by the way. Keep it up at least on its level.

P.S. By the Eight, sometimes I dreaming about Party-based RPG in TES universe. You know, with a lot of lore text, interesting non-2D characters as your companions and dialogs with multiple choices, with real consequences. But guess what? Always after that I just open my eyes to realize, that it'll never happen. Ever. It's too risky, there is no assured profit. What a waste.

The portals are confusing. I think the quest dialog at the end is quite funny.

"really, really, really stupid quest writing"

Kind of mean and insulting to the human being who wrote that and thought he/she was doing a good/funny job, agreed?

GreenhaloX wrote: »

It's ok to vent.. Colharbour, as a whole is my least favorite place. All the gloominess, the multilevels, the height, the trying to figure out how to get around all the jagged edges.

This. Travel through and around Coldharbour is really tedious for exactly this reason. Oh well, not every zone can be my favorite.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Well when you know you can't die, requests like that aren't crazy at all.

^This. It's touching when random NPCs are like, 'no, you can't kill yourself! You're too important to the Dominion to die!', but extremely frustrating when my goal is to get everyone out alive and I'm immortal. I thought it was nice that we finally ran across some NPCs who took advantage of the fact.

Now, the side quest stupidity I couldn't stand was the Fading Tree quest. Spoilers ahead:

At the end of the quest, you need to help the husband decide whether he should stay behind while his (pregnant) wife and the rest of the village goes off to Bosmer paradise (so the rest of the village will eventually be able to come back) or if he should stay with his wife and strand the village in paradise, never to return to Tamriel.

The painfully obvious third option--which is not actually an option in-game--would be to have the wife stay behind ALSO. But not only can you not choose this option, they don't even bother to hand-wave a reason for why not.

About the lack of third options... Do you remember that Bal Foyen quest in which you have to choose between helping at the docks or the fort? Because you can't do both at the same time... Except you're in a game where you can group with a friend, sending one to the North while going yourself to the South... But of course, for reasons, this painfully obvious third option, to quote your words, wasn't available, as in this entire area, you, and not any other player, were the only available person to solve the situation.

I kinda like the quest. I view it as a somewhat tongue-in-cheek comment on how meaningless death is for the player character in the game (and how that makes themes of danger, sacrifice, etc. utterly meaningless).

Isnt that quest had a different ending or choice at least I remember that on main I decided not to jump and had to fight all three of them and the daedirc overseer of that place

I say it all the time...

If I want a good story I read a book.

I don't read books for game content, so why play a video game for "the story"?

Some of the base game quests are pretty meh.
They definitely improved over time with their writing.

The morrowind quests are almost universally good, I feel like they really set up why you have to do the quest much better and why its in your interest. Some of the more inane quests don't take themselves too seriously and are played for laughs.

I do understand a bit of the frustration at getting rail roaded, particularly when the only quest option is to "be nice/comforting/friendly" etc. if I don't feel like my character would do so.... its an RPG after all. Otherwise I appreciate that most quests aren't good/bad dichotomy but mostly judgemental/forgiving dichotomy instead. No one is actually so cartoonishly evil as "evil" normally is in games.

What coincidence, I just completed that public dungeon 10 minutes ago. I just fast clicked through the quest dialogues without reading them. So happy to hear I missed nothing. But such a shame with all the paid voice actors etc. Does anyone actually read them anymore?

If these quests actually contained vital and useful information that'd be awesome. But they never do, it's just pointless filler. And it's almost always so mundane and cliche. With some very few exceptions once in a while, but at some point stopped reading quests, so I may have missed a few good ones zooming past.

I was thinking about the reasons, and I have a feeling it's because of casuality (that a word?) and streamlining. It canø't offend anyone even slightly and everyone has to be able to understand it, even those that has um.. problems understanding things in general. So we just get these mediocre bland pointless casually streamlined snooze fest quests.