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Crownstore Stupidity
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Cazic✭✭✭✭✭You're taking "making room for new stock" too literally. Zos always uses this sort of fun role playing language in their messaging.
They know that we know how a virtual store works. And they will do whatever they can do get people to buy crown store items.
If it bothers you, just ignore the crown store. If you're an ESO plus member just spend your crowns on exp scrolls and ignore the rest.
The fact that a thread was created on this just proves that their sales tactic has worked. Even if your feedback is negative, it's still generating conversation about the items they're advertising.10 -
Whatzituyah✭✭✭✭You're taking "making room for new stock" too literally. Zos always uses this sort of fun role playing language in their messaging.
They know that we know how a virtual store works. And they will do whatever they can do get people to buy crown store items.
If it bothers you, just ignore the crown store. If you're an ESO plus member just spend your crowns on exp scrolls and ignore the rest.
The fact that a thread was created on this just proves that their sales tactic has worked. Even if your feedback is negative, it's still generating conversation about the items they're advertising.
How can you ignore something that people buy? Is there an option to hide peoples pets, skins, costumes, mounts, and etceteras? No well than we can't just ignore it. @Cazic
That would be the only compromise is if we hide the things other people are using. Mounts would just turn into normal horses you could buy.Edited by Whatzituyah on July 3, 2016 2:31AMhttps://twitch.tv/whatzituyah2
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✭✭Whatzituyah wrote: »You're taking "making room for new stock" too literally. Zos always uses this sort of fun role playing language in their messaging.
They know that we know how a virtual store works. And they will do whatever they can do get people to buy crown store items.
If it bothers you, just ignore the crown store. If you're an ESO plus member just spend your crowns on exp scrolls and ignore the rest.
The fact that a thread was created on this just proves that their sales tactic has worked. Even if your feedback is negative, it's still generating conversation about the items they're advertising.
How can you ignore something that people buy? Is there an option to hide peoples pets, skins, costumes, mounts, and etceteras? No well than we can't just ignore it. @Cazic
That would be the only compromise is if we hide the things other people are using. Mounts would just turn into normal horses you could buy.
Why are you concerning yourself with things other people have or buy? Just don't worry about other people or their spending habits and do what you want to do.5 -
Eugenstash✭✭Conquistador wrote: »In order to make room for new stock, the following items will be retired from the ESO Crown Store on all platforms on August 1st.
Come on now. Amazon does not retire stock to make room for items. They have pages. Stop preying on people that like collecting things. Pathetic!
Honestly what is the point of retiring any of the items? For someone like me if you put a purchase window on it, I wont buy it until I'm ready to. But I can see how this might cause some to be cumpolsory. Add to the crown store, dont detract from it.1 -
Conquistador✭✭✭✭✭If the customer becoming more reluctant to buy anything from ZOS is a benefit... well, okay then lmfao.3 -
C0wrex✭✭✭✭Conquistador wrote: »Whatzituyah wrote: »This is kinda ridiculous why would a digital store need to make room?
That is kind of why I am chortling amongst myself about it. It just makes no sense to me. For the sensible player, we will continue on without thinking the item has to be purchased.
Definitely stressed out about this.
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Whatzituyah✭✭✭✭Whatzituyah wrote: »You're taking "making room for new stock" too literally. Zos always uses this sort of fun role playing language in their messaging.
They know that we know how a virtual store works. And they will do whatever they can do get people to buy crown store items.
If it bothers you, just ignore the crown store. If you're an ESO plus member just spend your crowns on exp scrolls and ignore the rest.
The fact that a thread was created on this just proves that their sales tactic has worked. Even if your feedback is negative, it's still generating conversation about the items they're advertising.
How can you ignore something that people buy? Is there an option to hide peoples pets, skins, costumes, mounts, and etceteras? No well than we can't just ignore it. @Cazic
That would be the only compromise is if we hide the things other people are using. Mounts would just turn into normal horses you could buy.
Why are you concerning yourself with things other people have or buy? Just don't worry about other people or their spending habits and do what you want to do.
@Betheny Its not %100 peoples spending habits! Its actually how ZOS handles the store now even if they are role playing we spend real money for crowns for this stuff. The business practice of limited time was fine I could deal but this whole stock thing thats nonexistent for digital its ridiculous. Stock relates to physical space merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stock
@Cazic So by having negative feedback were playing into their hands? Absurd! Thats not how feedback works.Edited by Whatzituyah on July 3, 2016 5:13AMhttps://twitch.tv/whatzituyah2
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scorpiodog✭✭✭✭✭Conquistador wrote: »In order to make room for new stock, the following items will be retired from the ESO Crown Store on all platforms on August 1st.
Come on now. Amazon does not retire stock to make room for items. They have pages. Stop preying on people that like collecting things. Pathetic!
Thank you or bringing my attention to this matter. I hope you continue your efforts in policing the dastardly tactics of evil internet marketers everywhere.
I think another pathetic thing ZOS does is call them "Crowns". How pathetic! Like they are tricking people into thinking it's actually gold. Because, you know ... people think gold is valuable.
Can I invite you to speak at my kids' elementary school? You'll get to wear a superhero costume and everything.
I guess I should state the obvious that I'm being sarcastic.Edited by scorpiodog on July 3, 2016 5:38AM5 -
Whatzituyah✭✭✭✭scorpiodog wrote: »Conquistador wrote: »In order to make room for new stock, the following items will be retired from the ESO Crown Store on all platforms on August 1st.
Come on now. Amazon does not retire stock to make room for items. They have pages. Stop preying on people that like collecting things. Pathetic!
Thank you or bringing my attention to this matter. I hope you continue your efforts in policing the dastardly tactics of evil internet marketers everywhere.
I think another pathetic thing ZOS does is call them "Crowns". How pathetic! Like they are tricking people into thinking it's actually gold. Because, you know ... people think gold is valuable.
Can I invite you to speak at my kids' elementary school? You'll get to wear a costume and everything.
@scorpiodog I would be honored but I value my sanity. Why can't you just wear that costume yourself?
Oh I know you were being sarcastic. Captain Obvious is that you? Im kidding don't take it personal.
Anyway its still ridiculous as digital doesn't have a physical space to justify calling it a stock even if its roleplaying. I mean where is the crown store stock anyway if they are roleplaying?Edited by Whatzituyah on July 3, 2016 5:48AMhttps://twitch.tv/whatzituyah2
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✭✭✭✭✭Whatzituyah wrote: »@Cazic So by having negative feedback were playing into their hands? Absurd! Thats not how feedback works.
That's not how feedback works, but that's a very real side effect of feedback.
Among all the people who read and will read this thread, there's a certain percentage who'll either disagree with your negative feedback or just plain ignore it. The only info they'll retain is actually "oh ! There's new stuff in the Crown Store, and some older stuff is being removed soon, let's have a look now..."Conquistador wrote: »Come on now. Amazon does not retire stock to make room for items. They have pages. Stop preying on people that like collecting things. Pathetic!
Amazon is built with proper search engines and tools to browse their millions of product pages. ESO doesn't (and shouldn't : it's a game, not a marketplace). IMHO it makes sense to remove older items so that visitors don't feel overwhelmed by too many items to choose from when they visit the crown store. (All other arguments such as creating urge and scarcity are valid too).
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✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Are you saying it is unprecedented for a business (online or brick and mortar) to have a clearance sale??
Of physical goods. With discounts. As in a SALE.Edited by khele23eb17_ESO on July 3, 2016 6:51AMP2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.2 -
Hearsay_✭✭Imagine if you didn't have to buy 'vanity' items from the Crown store. Imagine that. Cast your thoughts in the direction of choice and free will. Just imagine if you were not forced to spend real money on things that don't actually matter besides aesthetics.
What a thought that is, indeed.
Really though, gettin' pissy for the sake of gettin' pissy is kinda childish.2 -
Whatzituyah✭✭✭✭Imagine if you didn't have to buy 'vanity' items from the Crown store. Imagine that. Cast your thoughts in the direction of choice and free will. Just imagine if you were not forced to spend real money on things that don't actually matter besides aesthetics.
What a thought that is, indeed.
Really though, gettin' pissy for the sake of gettin' pissy is kinda childish.
@Hearsay_ If everyone thought the same as that would we have a game?khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »Are you saying it is unprecedented for a business (online or brick and mortar) to have a clearance sale??
Of physical goods. With discounts. As in a SALE.
One problem with that logic there its digital.Edited by Whatzituyah on July 3, 2016 7:39AMhttps://twitch.tv/whatzituyah2
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✭✭✭✭✭Imagine if you didn't have to buy 'vanity' items from the Crown store. Imagine that. Cast your thoughts in the direction of choice and free will. Just imagine if you were not forced to spend real money on things that don't actually matter besides aesthetics.
What a thought that is, indeed.
Really though, gettin' pissy for the sake of gettin' pissy is kinda childish.
If something doesn't matter, how are you being "forced to spend real money" on them?Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
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Whatzituyah✭✭✭✭Imagine if you didn't have to buy 'vanity' items from the Crown store. Imagine that. Cast your thoughts in the direction of choice and free will. Just imagine if you were not forced to spend real money on things that don't actually matter besides aesthetics.
What a thought that is, indeed.
Really though, gettin' pissy for the sake of gettin' pissy is kinda childish.
If something doesn't matter, how are you being "forced to spend real money" on them?
Ile give you that one you aren't.https://twitch.tv/whatzituyah2
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Hearsay_✭✭Whatzituyah wrote: »Imagine if you didn't have to buy 'vanity' items from the Crown store. Imagine that. Cast your thoughts in the direction of choice and free will. Just imagine if you were not forced to spend real money on things that don't actually matter besides aesthetics.
What a thought that is, indeed.
Really though, gettin' pissy for the sake of gettin' pissy is kinda childish.
@Hearsay_ If everyone thought the same as that would we have a game?
Yeah, I daresay we would. The thing about the Crown store is that it's pure choice. It isn't mandatory. I've spent my fair share of dollars buying the mount upgrades, and some bag space stuff. Useful, but not exactly necessary.
What I mean is there's no point havin' a sook over something that is pure choice.0 -
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✭✭Whatzituyah wrote: »This is kinda ridiculous why would a digital store need to make room?
Just to answer this. It isn't to make space obviously.
An over saturated market place leads to small sales of a particular item, if the devs want to keep developing new items for the crown store they need to get sales to get future work approved.
Reduce the amount of old crap and only sell the newer items gives less choice and in theory larger sales of newer items they need to push.PC Master Race
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is entirely normal for an MMO with a cash shop, you cycle goods to keep demands up and force the hands of those waiting for items.
I would imagine they saw a surge of sales on items with the last one and realised this is the way forwards. Until this removal coming up I actually have/had every single "limited" edition item from the game, now I refuse to give ZOS any more money until they make a statement about cheating/exploiting.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Crowzer✭✭✭Whatzituyah wrote: »This is kinda ridiculous why would a digital store need to make room?
May be they want to avoid have hundrend of items and "flood" the crown store. It might scare new players.2 -
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You have to read between the lines, they need to make room in your wallet.Whatzituyah wrote: »This is kinda ridiculous why would a digital store need to make room?
Edited by Leogon on July 3, 2016 8:50AM0 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Whatzituyah wrote: »This is kinda ridiculous why would a digital store need to make room?
May be they want to avoid have hundrend of items and "flood" the crown store. It might scare new players.
Have you ever seen Rifts cash shop? I wonder because you just described it lol0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Whatzituyah wrote: »This is kinda ridiculous why would a digital store need to make room?
Just to answer this. It isn't to make space obviously.
An over saturated market place leads to small sales of a particular item, if the devs want to keep developing new items for the crown store they need to get sales to get future work approved.
Reduce the amount of old crap and only sell the newer items gives less choice and in theory larger sales of newer items they need to push.
But they discontinue for example the Priest of Green costume, which is not even in the crown store yet - so they do not know about how well it will sale. It is a limited time offer basically, which is not officially stated as one.Edited by Lysette on July 3, 2016 9:23AM1 -
Niastissa✭✭✭Is this because the mounts and costumes are limited time runs?
It also brings an air of exclusivity because after they take it out of the store and you still have it you now have a sort of collectors item.
If you don't want to buy the mount you don't have to. The in game horse mounts work just as well.0 -
Whatzituyah✭✭✭✭Is this because the mounts and costumes are limited time runs?
It also brings an air of exclusivity because after they take it out of the store and you still have it you now have a sort of collectors item.
If you don't want to buy the mount you don't have to. The in game horse mounts work just as well.
@Niastissa More like things you assume are permanent are now limited.Edited by Whatzituyah on July 5, 2016 4:11AMhttps://twitch.tv/whatzituyah2
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thisisScoMan✭✭✭✭So we all agree that this "make room for stock" thing is just to get the stupid idiots to rush and panic and buy these "limited time" offers.
Now, obviously I am not a stupid idiot, but my friend here who is a stupid idiot would like to know where this list of items to be removed from the Crown Store is, just in case that cat I haven't bought yet is on it.
Oh. They. Cat THEY haven't bought yet is on it.
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✭✭✭✭✭If it has value to you, it has value to you.
I don't think anyone was saying people that buy crown items are idiots. At most I see some suggestions that maybe they should stop and ask WHY they think they want it, and if the value might be related to the threat of it being "limited time only."
It isn't the people buying things that bothers people, it's the artificial scarcity tactics driving impulse grabs.
Either way it is good for the game, UNLESS it encourages the devs to continue raising the prices on cool mounts to $40+ so only rich whales get to enjoy things.
Then the game becomes trash.0 -
Whatzituyah✭✭✭✭If it has value to you, it has value to you.
I don't think anyone was saying people that buy crown items are idiots. At most I see some suggestions that maybe they should stop and ask WHY they think they want it, and if the value might be related to the threat of it being "limited time only."
It isn't the people buying things that bothers people, it's the artificial scarcity tactics driving impulse grabs.
Either way it is good for the game, UNLESS it encourages the devs to continue raising the prices on cool mounts to $40+ so only rich whales get to enjoy things.
Then the game becomes trash.
@Phinix1 What bothers me is that everything might aswell have limited next to it because that is the reality.https://twitch.tv/whatzituyah2
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Niastissa✭✭✭Whatzituyah wrote: »Is this because the mounts and costumes are limited time runs?
It also brings an air of exclusivity because after they take it out of the store and you still have it you now have a sort of collectors item.
If you don't want to buy the mount you don't have to. The in game horse mounts work just as well.
@Niastissa More like things you assume are permanent are now limited.
Like what?
I have the costumes, mounts I want and I got my two assistants and ll the DLC. Not much else I want that is being offered right now. I'm not really too concerned about the same items being in the store now.
For those that feel like nothing should ever be removed from the store because it is digital. Do you really want to have to thumb through pages and pages of things? I don't. I don't, I like the at a glance see what is available and get out and play the game. I think this is what they mean by clearing out space. I'm fine with it.3 -
purple-magicb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭This isn't the first time they've done this. I have some items from Crown Store that are no longer available. New stuff will come, other stuff will be taken out. Will it be missed? Maybe. Will it come back? If enough of the playerbase asks for it, yes.
My point: They're probably retiring stuff that doesn't sell anyway.I don't comment here often but when I do, I get [snip]0