I play EP on Ebony Blade EU PC and wauw, there are 10 blues for every red and yellow. Red maybe has 1 big group but mostly PUG's or just randoms stick together. Same goes for the yellows. But the blues are with so many they cannot even play solo because of dw with steel tornado. Its really sad that group of 20 blues goes after a nb for 5 minutes.

If your in a group of 8+ there needs to be a debuff or something. (less recovery, weapon damage or something)

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Here is footage from last night in Haderous PS4. EP Zerg plus and Emp was getting thrown around all night by 1 full group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMrZzf0wdVw&feature=youtu.be


AD has plenty of good players you just don't play with them is my guess.

Well, let's be fair here. That "gameplay" is hardly representative of being good. More so just being compact. A 24 man ball group will have the advantage over any number of small and solo players that aren't spamming as much AOE as you!!

lol. That ball group is actually filled with really strong solo players doing a guild event. Those reds were definitely not solo either since before that video happened all 60+ of them were trying to farm yellow at the gates.

Really, I mean, fair enough you may know something I don't. Regardless, that vid does not represent good gameplay, or show strong players. Just a bunch of players that are rarely more than 15m away from the crown. And if you would like to watch it again and tell me at what point there is a number of reds packed together as densely as that group is, perhaps you could point it out.

:57, 1:47, 2:08, 4:46. I'm in that group as well and I play solo/small scale 90% of the time. Check my vid in my signature. All my uploads are small scale (except a stamplar one I think).

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Here is footage from last night in Haderous PS4. EP Zerg plus and Emp was getting thrown around all night by 1 full group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMrZzf0wdVw&feature=youtu.be


AD has plenty of good players you just don't play with them is my guess.

Well, let's be fair here. That "gameplay" is hardly representative of being good. More so just being compact. A 24 man ball group will have the advantage over any number of small and solo players that aren't spamming as much AOE as you!!

lol. That ball group is actually filled with really strong solo players doing a guild event. Those reds were definitely not solo either since before that video happened all 60+ of them were trying to farm yellow at the gates.

Really, I mean, fair enough you may know something I don't. Regardless, that vid does not represent good gameplay, or show strong players. Just a bunch of players that are rarely more than 15m away from the crown. And if you would like to watch it again and tell me at what point there is a number of reds packed together as densely as that group is, perhaps you could point it out.

Here is a 12 or less man size group videos of the same players in the first video of 24. You clearly don't run in an organized group if you think its just a bunch of players running by crown.

I have plenty of other videos.

@NeillMcAttack


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auts-oQaVo0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCeQ6YPwc1Y

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I rarely get mentally stimulated with 1v1s

Really. There are some people who are only about the dueling, I don't understand it since there are games out there that cater far more tech into 1v1ing. Glad I'm not the only one who thinks the same way. Maybe one day I will L2P the to 1vX match-ups

L2P is hard

Moglijuana wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I rarely get mentally stimulated with 1v1s

Really. There are some people who are only about the dueling, I don't understand it since there are games out there that cater far more tech into 1v1ing. Glad I'm not the only one who thinks the same way. Maybe one day I will L2P the to 1vX match-ups

L2P is hard

Dueling in ESO is kind of dumb to be honest. There are too many rock paper scissor like qualities, and over powered abilities to consider it as a true test of skill. There's a reason top "duelers" play specific class builds. Open world pvp (whether it be 1vX, 2vX etc.) is where I think the true skill factor lies as it takes much more into account rather than only having to focus all your attention/combos to ONE person in a duel.

The other thing I see with duels, is when I see people dueling they are fighting on terrain that is not flat. There is a reason why Super Smash Brothers, Tekken, Street Fighter, Marvel VS Capcom and Guilty Gear have flat terrain when you go into a match. In ESO, un-even terrain disrupts a a lot in certain match ups where LoS is important and so is Gap closing. You can roll dodge backwards behind a hill and use it to break LoS in a duel. That boils my birches Same thing with little rocks and trees. However, I am not one to huff and puff a smart player who is getting 1vX'ed in Cyrodiil and using rocks and trees to their advantage to deal with the enemy players. That is just smart playing on their part

@Moglijuana @Paraflex

I never said anyone was a bad player! In fact I had already checked out that vid in moglijuana sig. And those you posted are solid examples of well organised team play. The fact I was making, and tell me if you think I'm wrong. But I've seen it so many times, from all sides, and in many different campaigns, that all it takes often times is the largest number of players packed the most densely to take over the map. Fighting them is difficult enough, and if you are to follow their example, all it leads to is poor framerate, frustration, and lots of lag. It's the reason people hate AOE caps, because it favours largely that playstyle.

So I honestly don't know why you chose that vid over the others to give an example of good play, I hate that approach personally, and no, I don't run in groups that large, but I do run in organised, effective, groups. And I'm not saying that there is anything particularly wrong with the stacking playstyle as the game clearly rewards it, but I don't think there is anyone here that would claim its better viewing, compared to smaller scale, and especially with the lag it causes, than any of those other vids.

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

@Moglijuana @Paraflex

I never said anyone was a bad player! In fact I had already checked out that vid in moglijuana sig. And those you posted are solid examples of well organised team play. The fact I was making, and tell me if you think I'm wrong. But I've seen it so many times, from all sides, and in many different campaigns, that all it takes often times is the largest number of players packed the most densely to take over the map. Fighting them is difficult enough, and if you are to follow their example, all it leads to is poor framerate, frustration, and lots of lag. It's the reason people hate AOE caps, because it favours largely that playstyle.

So I honestly don't know why you chose that vid over the others to give an example of good play, I hate that approach personally, and no, I don't run in groups that large, but I do run in organised, effective, groups. And I'm not saying that there is anything particularly wrong with the stacking playstyle as the game clearly rewards it, but I don't think there is anyone here that would claim its better viewing, compared to smaller scale, and especially with the lag it causes, than any of those other vids.

No I agree. That large group vid was kind of all we could do to fight 60+ people though lol. Those reds started it =P. I prefer smaller scale for sure. I will say though, the lag this patch in Cyrodiil has been MUCH better.

I also always notice the red zergs being the biggest of all. But at the same time the most clueless one, allowing to kill them one by one.

DC seems to have many skilled and communicating smaller groups and combined with a blue zerg this gets really dangerous.

On AD I cant say much since Im AD and never fight them, but what I know is, Im shaking my head more often than not when watching them doing their thing. So I'd say EP and AD are pretty close together