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Can Players Represent a Daedric Prince?

  • Whatzituyah
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    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Funny thing is the timeline has no record of anyone being crowned emperor. That and the alliance war being fought by us is simply a trait of making ESO an MMO. Observe for yourself: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Exactly my point.

    Dragon Breaks are phenomena caused by the Divine Akatosh, whom I very much doubt would ever let Oblivion take Tamriel by any means whatsoever. As a result, the dragon break just to let people support Coldharbour would not happen.

    @UltimaJoe777 Whos to say the Dragon Break didn't happen when the five companions tried to crown an emperor who isn't Dragon Born? They are trying to communicate with Akatosh.

    Stop it with the dragon breaks...
    They aren't necessary to explain every gap or apparent contradiction in the lore.

    @ShedsHisTail We all know Bethesda did this to themselves. :trollface:

    Thing is...
    There are two -actual- Dragon Breaks (IIRC), but then someone made the mistake of off-handedly explaining game mechanics with a Dragon Break, and now it's spiraled out of control. I hate it, because it ruins basically every lore discussion eventually.

    It's like the Godwin's Law of Tamriel.

    @ShedsHisTail Still Bethesda did it to themselves and the only way to fix it is to reboot Elder Scrolls in my opinion.
  • Ethromelb14_ESO
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    When destroying dolmens Molag Bal has several quotes alluding to the player joining him eventually. Hopefully that foretells some sort of choice down the line, when the main story picks up again.

    But yeah, the fact that if you join up with Molag Bal you're inevitably doomed to failure is problematic, and makes the scenario rather unlikely. Justifying it with a dragonbreak would just be lame.

    The problem is that, it's not entirely true. Molag Bal does not lose in the future. He actually wins for a time. He overruns Tamriel. So, again, the scenario is possible and can fit.
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  • ShedsHisTail
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    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Funny thing is the timeline has no record of anyone being crowned emperor. That and the alliance war being fought by us is simply a trait of making ESO an MMO. Observe for yourself: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Exactly my point.

    Dragon Breaks are phenomena caused by the Divine Akatosh, whom I very much doubt would ever let Oblivion take Tamriel by any means whatsoever. As a result, the dragon break just to let people support Coldharbour would not happen.

    @UltimaJoe777 Whos to say the Dragon Break didn't happen when the five companions tried to crown an emperor who isn't Dragon Born? They are trying to communicate with Akatosh.

    Stop it with the dragon breaks...
    They aren't necessary to explain every gap or apparent contradiction in the lore.

    @ShedsHisTail We all know Bethesda did this to themselves. :trollface:

    Thing is...
    There are two -actual- Dragon Breaks (IIRC), but then someone made the mistake of off-handedly explaining game mechanics with a Dragon Break, and now it's spiraled out of control. I hate it, because it ruins basically every lore discussion eventually.

    It's like the Godwin's Law of Tamriel.

    @ShedsHisTail Still Bethesda did it to themselves and the only way to fix it is to reboot Elder Scrolls in my opinion.

    Folks would just blame the reboot on a Dragon Break.
    Best thing to do is to stop using it to explain game mechanics.
    "As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
    Have you seen the Twin Lamps?
  • Whatzituyah
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    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Funny thing is the timeline has no record of anyone being crowned emperor. That and the alliance war being fought by us is simply a trait of making ESO an MMO. Observe for yourself: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Exactly my point.

    Dragon Breaks are phenomena caused by the Divine Akatosh, whom I very much doubt would ever let Oblivion take Tamriel by any means whatsoever. As a result, the dragon break just to let people support Coldharbour would not happen.

    @UltimaJoe777 Whos to say the Dragon Break didn't happen when the five companions tried to crown an emperor who isn't Dragon Born? They are trying to communicate with Akatosh.

    Stop it with the dragon breaks...
    They aren't necessary to explain every gap or apparent contradiction in the lore.

    @ShedsHisTail We all know Bethesda did this to themselves. :trollface:

    Thing is...
    There are two -actual- Dragon Breaks (IIRC), but then someone made the mistake of off-handedly explaining game mechanics with a Dragon Break, and now it's spiraled out of control. I hate it, because it ruins basically every lore discussion eventually.

    It's like the Godwin's Law of Tamriel.

    @ShedsHisTail Still Bethesda did it to themselves and the only way to fix it is to reboot Elder Scrolls in my opinion.

    Folks would just blame the reboot on a Dragon Break.
    Best thing to do is to stop using it to explain game mechanics.

    @ShedsHisTail Atleast the reboot won't have anymore Dragon Breaks if they are careful.
  • ShedsHisTail
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    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Funny thing is the timeline has no record of anyone being crowned emperor. That and the alliance war being fought by us is simply a trait of making ESO an MMO. Observe for yourself: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Exactly my point.

    Dragon Breaks are phenomena caused by the Divine Akatosh, whom I very much doubt would ever let Oblivion take Tamriel by any means whatsoever. As a result, the dragon break just to let people support Coldharbour would not happen.

    @UltimaJoe777 Whos to say the Dragon Break didn't happen when the five companions tried to crown an emperor who isn't Dragon Born? They are trying to communicate with Akatosh.

    Stop it with the dragon breaks...
    They aren't necessary to explain every gap or apparent contradiction in the lore.

    @ShedsHisTail We all know Bethesda did this to themselves. :trollface:

    Thing is...
    There are two -actual- Dragon Breaks (IIRC), but then someone made the mistake of off-handedly explaining game mechanics with a Dragon Break, and now it's spiraled out of control. I hate it, because it ruins basically every lore discussion eventually.

    It's like the Godwin's Law of Tamriel.

    @ShedsHisTail Still Bethesda did it to themselves and the only way to fix it is to reboot Elder Scrolls in my opinion.

    Folks would just blame the reboot on a Dragon Break.
    Best thing to do is to stop using it to explain game mechanics.

    @ShedsHisTail Atleast the reboot won't have anymore Dragon Breaks if they are careful.

    It can't "not have any Dragon Breaks" if everyone assumes it's the product of a Dragon Break.
    It simply becomes a tangential part of the pre-existing Lore.

    The only way to hope to handle the Dragon Break scourge is to refute it as often as possible and stop using it as a means of explaining game mechanics. Otherwise, you're just making the problem worse.
    Edited by ShedsHisTail on June 29, 2016 10:07PM
    "As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
    Have you seen the Twin Lamps?
  • Whatzituyah
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    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Funny thing is the timeline has no record of anyone being crowned emperor. That and the alliance war being fought by us is simply a trait of making ESO an MMO. Observe for yourself: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Exactly my point.

    Dragon Breaks are phenomena caused by the Divine Akatosh, whom I very much doubt would ever let Oblivion take Tamriel by any means whatsoever. As a result, the dragon break just to let people support Coldharbour would not happen.

    @UltimaJoe777 Whos to say the Dragon Break didn't happen when the five companions tried to crown an emperor who isn't Dragon Born? They are trying to communicate with Akatosh.

    Stop it with the dragon breaks...
    They aren't necessary to explain every gap or apparent contradiction in the lore.

    @ShedsHisTail We all know Bethesda did this to themselves. :trollface:

    Thing is...
    There are two -actual- Dragon Breaks (IIRC), but then someone made the mistake of off-handedly explaining game mechanics with a Dragon Break, and now it's spiraled out of control. I hate it, because it ruins basically every lore discussion eventually.

    It's like the Godwin's Law of Tamriel.

    @ShedsHisTail Still Bethesda did it to themselves and the only way to fix it is to reboot Elder Scrolls in my opinion.

    Folks would just blame the reboot on a Dragon Break.
    Best thing to do is to stop using it to explain game mechanics.

    @ShedsHisTail Atleast the reboot won't have anymore Dragon Breaks if they are careful.

    It can't "not have any Dragon Breaks" if everyone assumes it's the product of a Dragon Break.
    It simply becomes a tangential part of the pre-existing Lore.

    The only way to hope to handle the Dragon Break scourge is to refute it as often as possible and stop using it as a means of explaining game mechanics. Otherwise, you're just making the problem worse.

    @ShedsHisTail Hey look its a scourge on the wiki quickly delete it! I don't see anyone saying that I mean it really is Bethesdas mistake. But I do get your point but how to get rid of something thats already been done? Its impossible.

    Back on topic so basically Molag Bal and Meridia would be only fighting each other. The other 14 would be at war.
    Edited by Whatzituyah on June 29, 2016 10:15PM
  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    Nestor wrote: »
    Molag Bal is just one of 17 Princes. These Princes are always meddling in the affairs of Man and Mer. We could have tons of content based on Daedric Princes, and the Aedra for that matter. It could be PvP or PvE content too.

    However this game does not do much with the Princes, outside of the Main Quest. A few game quests touch on the Prince's Influence over Mortals (Deeshan Main Quest for example) but that is still more a mortal consorting with a Prince for personal gain or revenge.

    What we don't have is the ability to become a follower of a Prince. That might be interesting, with possibly some Passives awarded for completion.

    EDIT Fixed Typo

    Nor do we have the ability to side with an Aedra, and get cool time warping powers like Primate Artorius or the Black Dragon. Without balance I really see no reason, and already many class abilities represent some daedric knowledge, even if it is not directly daedric in purpose. Nightblades for instance wield a weapon that very much has a sense that it is at least a copycat of the blade of woe in the form of Cloaked dagger. You can disagree on that or agree, its not such a big deal. The point is simply that much of what the mages guild and its predecessor 'know' comes from the planes.
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  • starkerealm
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    Tryxus wrote: »
    Judging from the things Molag Bal does to the mortals that fail him...

    ... you have gotta be NUTS to join him :astonished:

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  • ShedsHisTail
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    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Funny thing is the timeline has no record of anyone being crowned emperor. That and the alliance war being fought by us is simply a trait of making ESO an MMO. Observe for yourself: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Exactly my point.

    Dragon Breaks are phenomena caused by the Divine Akatosh, whom I very much doubt would ever let Oblivion take Tamriel by any means whatsoever. As a result, the dragon break just to let people support Coldharbour would not happen.

    @UltimaJoe777 Whos to say the Dragon Break didn't happen when the five companions tried to crown an emperor who isn't Dragon Born? They are trying to communicate with Akatosh.

    Stop it with the dragon breaks...
    They aren't necessary to explain every gap or apparent contradiction in the lore.

    @ShedsHisTail We all know Bethesda did this to themselves. :trollface:

    Thing is...
    There are two -actual- Dragon Breaks (IIRC), but then someone made the mistake of off-handedly explaining game mechanics with a Dragon Break, and now it's spiraled out of control. I hate it, because it ruins basically every lore discussion eventually.

    It's like the Godwin's Law of Tamriel.

    @ShedsHisTail Still Bethesda did it to themselves and the only way to fix it is to reboot Elder Scrolls in my opinion.

    Folks would just blame the reboot on a Dragon Break.
    Best thing to do is to stop using it to explain game mechanics.

    @ShedsHisTail Atleast the reboot won't have anymore Dragon Breaks if they are careful.

    It can't "not have any Dragon Breaks" if everyone assumes it's the product of a Dragon Break.
    It simply becomes a tangential part of the pre-existing Lore.

    The only way to hope to handle the Dragon Break scourge is to refute it as often as possible and stop using it as a means of explaining game mechanics. Otherwise, you're just making the problem worse.

    @ShedsHisTail Hey look its a scourge on the wiki quickly delete it! I don't see anyone saying that I mean it really is Bethesdas mistake. But I do get your point but how to get rid of something thats already been done? Its impossible.

    Like I said, there are -actual- instances of Dragon Break in the lore. Those can stay.
    It's the unfounded, "I don't know, therefore Dragon Break." moments that need scrubbing.
    That's the problem with Wiki's, anyone can say whatever.
    "As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
    Have you seen the Twin Lamps?
  • Whatzituyah
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    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Funny thing is the timeline has no record of anyone being crowned emperor. That and the alliance war being fought by us is simply a trait of making ESO an MMO. Observe for yourself: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
    Would ultimately be pointless because it would go against the timeline, thus break lore. Even if it did happen those siding with Molag Bal would be on the losing team automatically.

    @UltimaJoe777 Their are over 9000 vestiges fighting on a 3 sided alliance war which is also in technicality all losers and breaking the lore worries you now? #Dragonbreak

    Exactly my point.

    Dragon Breaks are phenomena caused by the Divine Akatosh, whom I very much doubt would ever let Oblivion take Tamriel by any means whatsoever. As a result, the dragon break just to let people support Coldharbour would not happen.

    @UltimaJoe777 Whos to say the Dragon Break didn't happen when the five companions tried to crown an emperor who isn't Dragon Born? They are trying to communicate with Akatosh.

    Stop it with the dragon breaks...
    They aren't necessary to explain every gap or apparent contradiction in the lore.

    @ShedsHisTail We all know Bethesda did this to themselves. :trollface:

    Thing is...
    There are two -actual- Dragon Breaks (IIRC), but then someone made the mistake of off-handedly explaining game mechanics with a Dragon Break, and now it's spiraled out of control. I hate it, because it ruins basically every lore discussion eventually.

    It's like the Godwin's Law of Tamriel.

    @ShedsHisTail Still Bethesda did it to themselves and the only way to fix it is to reboot Elder Scrolls in my opinion.

    Folks would just blame the reboot on a Dragon Break.
    Best thing to do is to stop using it to explain game mechanics.

    @ShedsHisTail Atleast the reboot won't have anymore Dragon Breaks if they are careful.

    It can't "not have any Dragon Breaks" if everyone assumes it's the product of a Dragon Break.
    It simply becomes a tangential part of the pre-existing Lore.

    The only way to hope to handle the Dragon Break scourge is to refute it as often as possible and stop using it as a means of explaining game mechanics. Otherwise, you're just making the problem worse.

    @ShedsHisTail Hey look its a scourge on the wiki quickly delete it! I don't see anyone saying that I mean it really is Bethesdas mistake. But I do get your point but how to get rid of something thats already been done? Its impossible.

    Like I said, there are -actual- instances of Dragon Break in the lore. Those can stay.
    It's the unfounded, "I don't know, therefore Dragon Break." moments that need scrubbing.
    That's the problem with Wiki's, anyone can say whatever.

    @ShedsHisTail Problem is we don't know until Bethesda says so. We can debate about this all we want but its not going to change and its off topic.
  • Abeille
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    I know I am the 0.0000001% here, but I would actually like it to be done even if it was just to introduce PvP maps in planes of Oblivion and free IC from the Alliance War, so to convert it on the ultimate trading hub (temporary cease-fire with the leaders of the three alliances forming a temporary council to rule over Cyrodiil during that time, maybe?).
    Edited by Abeille on June 29, 2016 10:59PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

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    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • nine9six
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    "Play How You Want"

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