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Gold Jewelry in the Maw of Lorkhaj
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With the recent updates for the Dark Brotherhood patch, we updated how the loot was distributed within the Maw of Lorkhaj trial, based on the feedback we received during the Thieves Guild update.
When Maw of Lorkhaj launched, you were guaranteed a set item piece the first time you downed a boss or completed a wave event for a given week. Subsequent clears, however, did not guarantee set items. This meant it was possible to experience an entire Trial run where you received zero set items from the bosses, and the feedback was understandably not positive.
In response, we updated the loot tables in a way that guarantees a set item drop every single time you beat a boss or complete a wave event. The gold-quality jewelry is now a guaranteed drop when Veteran Hard Mode is activated. You can also get gold-quality jewelry from the weekly leaderboards. We removed the gold jewelry drop that occurred once a week from the Veteran Mode (non-Hard Mode) tables. At present, the only items that are limited are the exceptionally valuable sellable items, like The Rid-Thar's Moon Pearls, which can still only be obtained once a week from defeating the Trial on Veteran Hard Mode.
We are closely watching your feedback, and are discussing returning the gold quality jewelry back into the Veteran Mode tables, without the weekly restriction. We understand that the Veteran Mode difficulty demands more coordination and skill so we want to make sure that the loot reflects the challenge.
When Maw of Lorkhaj launched, you were guaranteed a set item piece the first time you downed a boss or completed a wave event for a given week. Subsequent clears, however, did not guarantee set items. This meant it was possible to experience an entire Trial run where you received zero set items from the bosses, and the feedback was understandably not positive.
In response, we updated the loot tables in a way that guarantees a set item drop every single time you beat a boss or complete a wave event. The gold-quality jewelry is now a guaranteed drop when Veteran Hard Mode is activated. You can also get gold-quality jewelry from the weekly leaderboards. We removed the gold jewelry drop that occurred once a week from the Veteran Mode (non-Hard Mode) tables. At present, the only items that are limited are the exceptionally valuable sellable items, like The Rid-Thar's Moon Pearls, which can still only be obtained once a week from defeating the Trial on Veteran Hard Mode.
We are closely watching your feedback, and are discussing returning the gold quality jewelry back into the Veteran Mode tables, without the weekly restriction. We understand that the Veteran Mode difficulty demands more coordination and skill so we want to make sure that the loot reflects the challenge.
Michael Schroeder
Senior Systems Designer - The Elder Scrolls Online
Senior Systems Designer - The Elder Scrolls Online
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Woeler✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, please bring back our gold loot! No offense, but the fact that I can get EXACTLY the same loot while running normal mode (which is laughable easy while veteran is extraordinarily hard) was a bad decision! There is no reason to run vet.
Actually, I would argue to add this mechanic to each trial once they have all been scaled to cp160, because it gives people a reason to do them. If they all drop gold loot at the end once per week, there is a reason for people to at least run the trials on veteran once a week. It would be a great way to attract more people to raiding.
My idea is this:
Normalmode -> All blue loot (weapon or jewel at endboss)
Veteranmode -> Once per week a gold jewel, the rest all lila loot (weapon or jewel at endboss)
Veteranmode Hardmode -> Always 2 gold jewels (1BoE, 1BoP) and weekly the 10k item.Edited by Woeler on June 28, 2016 5:42PM7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't care what they do next, as long as they don't re-nerf Normal mode. Hardly any groups, even in guilds, are actually running Vet mode, so Normal mode needs to have reliable loot drops so there's a reason to keep running it.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
asneakybanana✭✭✭✭✭All trials should follow the guideline that woeler has said.
Normal you get all blue loot and MAYBE once a week you can get a purple piece
Vet you get gold jewels once a week and the rest you get random purple gear
Vet HM you always get 2 gold jewels and once a week get the 10k item.
Unless you guarantee gold jewel drops from the weekly the odds of actually finishing a set of jewels in full gold are extremely slim the way things are right now since no guild in the world has cleared (or is even close to clearing afaik) hard mode. DO NOT NERF HARD MODE. Just fix the drops from normal.Asneakybanana AD DK Former emperor of Chrysamere and Chillrend. World first hardmode Hel'ra and Quake con winner (Alliance rank 25)Sweat Squad
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Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Currently no reason to run veteran mode what so ever if it has the same drops as normal.
On NA server it is only the 1 guild running and finishing vet maw, no one else really has the incentive to if there is no real reward to it.
Why not change vet maw to purple rings and weapons in desired traits
Hard mode should drop gold worm/hircine or ebon along with 1 alkosh, moon, remedy or lunar and a gold weapon of those. Seeing as I believe it's going to be months before we see this trial on farm, may as well make the reward worth it
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Function✭✭✭Yes, please bring back our gold loot! No offense, but the fact that I can get EXACTLY the same loot while running normal mode (which is laughable easy while veteran is extraordinarily hard) was a bad decision! There is no reason to run vet.
Actually, I would argue to add this mechanic to each trial once they have all been scaled to cp160, because it gives people a reason to do them. If they all drop gold loot at the end once per week, there is a reason for people to at least run the trials on veteran once a week. It would be a great way to attract more people to raiding.
My idea is this:
Normalmode -> All blue loot (weapon or jewel at endboss)
Veteranmode -> Once per week a gold jewel, the rest all lila loot (weapon or jewel at endboss)
Veteranmode Hardmode -> Always 2 gold jewels (1BoE, 1BoP) and weekly the 10k item.
I agree with this except I think that there should be a cap of getting one gold BoE jewelry piece per week. As we have seen in Sanctum Ophidia, the prices of BoE gold jewelry pieces continue to plummet because they can be farmed endlessly without restriction. Yes, Maw of Lorkhaj is much MUCH more difficult than Sanctum but still I think gold jewelry should be rare and valuable.
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Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you guys want to buff the gold drops on Vet, that's great, but please don't nerf Normal down to blues. There are probably only a handful of guilds/groups that are completing Vet, so don't be so cavalier about ruining the drops on Normal, just because you don't run it.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
Polysemy✭✭✭I think this system is good. If you want to clear vMol you are rewarded a skin. If you want to do it again you are probablly competitive and thus shouldnt need a reward other then the reward of score... maybe you could include two trophies one for vet and one for vet hard-mode that is worth more idk. When the first gulds get their hard mode compelte though they will be swimming in gold and that is exciting to me... sure there is no cosmetic reward or mount but masses of gold
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xANTIxMATTERx✭✭✭Veteran maw of lorkhaj non-hardmode Rakkhat should still drop gold jewelry sometimes. Getting purple ebon weapons for clearing vet mode is not rewarding at all.Anti-Matter | Nightblade | AR 40 | Flawless Conqueror | Former Emperor x 2Anti-Psychotic | Stamplar | AR 25 | Former EmperorAnti-Matter | Stam DK | AR 18 | Former EmperorAnti-Gravity | Stam Sorcerer | AR 10 | Flawless ConquerorAnti-Freeze | Magicka DK | Flawless ConquerorAnti-One | Magicka Sorc | Flawless ConquerorAnti-Matter | Magplar | Shehai ShattererOfficer of Haxus | NAMember of The Order of Mundus | NAFormer Member of Havoc, IR, Learn 2 Play and Crown Store Heroshttps://twitch.tv/ANTIxMATTERMy Latest PVP Video: https://youtu.be/0M_Q3AgzPRA1 -
Woeler✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »If you guys want to buff the gold drops on Vet, that's great, but please don't nerf Normal down to blues. There are probably only a handful of guilds/groups that are completing Vet, so don't be so cavalier about ruining the drops on Normal, just because you don't run it.
Veteran and normal should not reward the same things. The only logical solution, which was great when TG came out, is blue drops on normal. Harder content, better loot. And in the end it only matters for jewelry anyways, since the rest of the gear can be improved.
But I guess that 30 missing magicka per jewelry piece is totally '''ruining' the loot.Edited by Woeler on June 28, 2016 10:14PM1 -
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I'm sorry but veteran and normal need to be split, I think veteran should drop purples and normal to drop blue and hardmode to drop gold.Emma_Overload wrote: »If you guys want to buff the gold drops on Vet, that's great, but please don't nerf Normal down to blues. There are probably only a handful of guilds/groups that are completing Vet, so don't be so cavalier about ruining the drops on Normal, just because you don't run it.
Veteran is difficult to most players, very difficult, I agree it should drop 1 gold per week and then continue to drop purple rings, necklaces and weapons of the sets - not worm cult stuff
Normal is so brain dead easy it's not even funny, you should not be rewarded the same gear as veteran at all. I don't know if the devs actually know how easy it even is... Call it elitist all you like, I just don't think there is anyway you can justify it based on its difficulty to be as rewarding as veteranEdited by Nifty2g on June 28, 2016 11:38PM#MOREORBS0 -
Contraptions✭✭✭✭✭Thank you for improving normal version rewards. As someone who only cares about the loot and not the challenge this was a welcome change. The upcoming motif in MoL also encourages me to run it more.
As for vet mode I don't think I will ever complete it so I don't really care about the changes there either way.Patroller and Editor at UESP1 -
The_Saint✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Its a joke that normal and vet mode have the exact same loot...
Jewerly, new motif etc. with same loot chance normal and vet pfff come oneMy idea is this:
Normalmode -> All blue loot (weapon or jewel at endboss)
Veteranmode -> Once per week a gold jewel, the rest all lila loot (weapon or jewel at endboss)
Veteranmode Hardmode -> Always 2 gold jewels (1BoE, 1BoP) and weekly the 10k item.
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And please dont nerf vMOL hardmode. SO is a joke and the "new" trials AA, HR, DSA will be the same joke and no challenge. Please let this last part of difficulty stay in this game...Edited by The_Saint on June 29, 2016 5:40AM0 -
Woeler✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Contraptions wrote: »Thank you for improving normal version rewards. As someone who only cares about the loot and not the challenge this was a welcome change. The upcoming motif in MoL also encourages me to run it more.
As for vet mode I don't think I will ever complete it so I don't really care about the changes there either way.
So, let me get this straight, you want purple loot that only has a small difference which will only be cared about by min/maxers for challenges you don't care about?
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