Let's talk about khajiit...

Woeler · June 2016

Oompuh wrote: »

This one is a Khajiit.
This one has become stronger.
This one is fine with the changes.

MrTarkanian48 · June 2016

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Not sure what all the rage is about.

I mean yes they buffed a race.

But they also implemented Race Change.

You can change to whatever you want with relative ease.

.............I know right who wants to play Bosmer and compete?...................<<<<<<<<<<<<This guy!

I guess my only point is that in the past changes to Racial Passives meant to were handcuffed to those passives unless you wanted to do an extensive re-roll/grinding process.

So if the passives are whats most important, you can now change them to your preference.

Now if the race itself is what is most important to you, then I guess you just need to deal with what ESO hands your race. Or QQ til they change it.

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Not sure what all the rage is about.

I mean yes they buffed a race.

But they also implemented Race Change.

You can change to whatever you want with relative ease.

.............I know right who wants to play Bosmer and compete?...................<<<<<<<<<<<<This guy!

I guess my only point is that in the past changes to Racial Passives meant to were handcuffed to those passives unless you wanted to do an extensive re-roll/grinding process.

So if the passives are whats most important, you can now change them to your preference.

Now if the race itself is what is most important to you, then I guess you just need to deal with what ESO hands your race. Or QQ til they change it.

Let the QQ commence!

Stillian · June 2016

Now one race is superior, and other races might get motivation to buy some crowns...

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

This one is very pleased . Khajiit does not want to hear any negativity regarding this change as no one knows how hard it is having to talk like this as this One does . Stamina is reward for most awkward dialect .

Kas · June 2016

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Not sure what all the rage is about.

I mean yes they buffed a race.

But they also implemented Race Change.

You can change to whatever you want with relative ease.

female tank/healers (or magicka dd's, lol) may feel like cat ladies in pve raids as they will be hanging around with about 10 cats

Kiiiddd · June 2016

I feel like reducing the Crit bonus back to the original 6% and keeping this new 6% max stamina would be a good balance. They would still be the top performing stamina DPS race but let's be real that health Regen passive is absolutely useless. So let's try to make this conversation constructive and offer idea's and not just "too strong". I agree this isn't the change that shouldn't go to live but we should try and get rid of that health Regen passive by offering up a change you think can work

s7732425ub17_ESO · June 2016

By strongest, you mean highest DPS if and only if you can somehow sustain your stamina. Which doesn't happen unless you are a Redguard.

Gilliamtherogue · June 2016

We waited 8 months for our passives to be fixed, let those of us who sat through it have their moment. While I agree 6% Stam is a bit much in terms of PvE DPS, in PvP Khajiits were pretty lack luster as already stated numerous times. I'd also much rather go back to the 10% Critical Strike Damage instead of weapon critical, to offer some versatility between caster and stam.

DDuke · June 2016

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

By strongest, you mean highest DPS if and only if you can somehow sustain your stamina. Which doesn't happen unless you are a Redguard.

Which happens every day in our (and other peoples') PvE raids.

I play Imperial NB myself & I have 0 stamina issues... (no +10% stam regen like khajiits have).

Gilliamtherogue · June 2016

It should be noted again for clarity purposes that you cannot critically hit enemies with damage shields. This used to be an almost non existent issue in PvE as there were very scarce mobs that would actually shield in game, but there has been an alarming rise to damage shields in PvE on mobs. Both of the new DLC dungeons have mobs that shield themselves, as well as Shielding bosses/mobs in vDSA, vMoL, and vAA. This removes Khajiit's DPS racial passives to 0 on live, so the 6% max Stam actually helps deter the loss on these situations. I would expect the trend of shielding mobs in PvE will only continue with future DLC as well.

Lyudorashi · June 2016

Please, don't make it sound like it is not a big deal to have overpowered race if you can racechange. I'm pretty sure not everyone wants to play khajiit and they are indeed the best stamina race for PVE right now.
Every build should have multiple viable races to chose from, it is unacceptable to make some races obsolete in an Elder Scrolls game.

Preyfar · June 2016

I'd honestly rather have a bit more regen than anything. I don't mind the stamina (I'm biased) but I've always wanted more stam regen.

Zinaroth · June 2016

They took the strongest stamina DPS race and made it even stronger for DPS instead of buffing some other races.
Soon Hodor will be filled with Khajiits only.
It's ridiculous and it hurts the variety.
Also; buff Nords more, they will still be a useless race in anything competetive in PvE, kkthx.

Mayrael · June 2016

Oompuh wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I am okay with it even though I predict a 70% chance that forum rage gets it rolled back.

Im surprised we have this much rage. A race becomes powerful during the patch of race change and people complain? I dont know..

... because its not their race

snejremllov · June 2016

Cats and lizards are the future of pve raiding

Ragnaroek93 · June 2016

Buffs are legit because my Stamdk and Stamplar are Khajiits.

Kappa

Benawaw89 · June 2016

this is because

current state = almost 90% stam dps atm redguard, imperial.

khajit only 10% since we need to grind khajit after they fix the passive so we know it competitive. most of all cant be bothered farming another one. so it leaves only a small numbers of players making khajit. and yeah it s the best now.

so zos look into that.

'' hey look, majority of stam dps are redguard n imperial, but certain ppl already tested and khajit is the best current. why dont we buff khajit even more so the gap is bigger. in that way after we implemented race change, they are force to change into khajit. and ppooof moneeyy ''

other ZOS team : '' yeahhh good thinking boss , u r the best ''

SantieClaws · June 2016

This one she confesses she is khajiit.

However this one she uses the other stuff - the magic bubbles. So khajiit she only loses here.

Such is the story of khajiit. This one will spend this afternoon hitting a bottle of skooma she thinks. See you dancing with the pink guar at Anvil Docks later yes?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Benawaw89 · June 2016

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

By strongest, you mean highest DPS if and only if you can somehow sustain your stamina. Which doesn't happen unless you are a Redguard.

lol , then ur group never use horn or maybe potion not 24/7. i am imperial DK and no stamina issue.

like i said why top dps video out there are redguard , because they cant be bother to make a khajit, they wait the race change. but ZOS buff khajit even more, it kinda force ppl who want competitive to be khajit.

let say now on live khajit vs redguard/imperial difference its like 1.5:1 . next patch gonna be like 10:1. so if r not khajit then bb stam dps

Benawaw89 · June 2016

Mayrael wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I am okay with it even though I predict a 70% chance that forum rage gets it rolled back.

Im surprised we have this much rage. A race becomes powerful during the patch of race change and people complain? I dont know..

... because its not their race

this isnt about my race or their race. it s about making so much ''diversity''

PVE stam = Khajit
PvP stam = redguard

pve healer = argonian

pve tank = imperial

pve magicka = dunmer /altmer

ok done , bosmer, orc, nord, etc only for roleplaying

GreatWhite000 · June 2016

Benawaw89 wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I am okay with it even though I predict a 70% chance that forum rage gets it rolled back.

Im surprised we have this much rage. A race becomes powerful during the patch of race change and people complain? I dont know..

... because its not their race

this isnt about my race or their race. it s about making so much ''diversity''

PVE stam = Khajit
PvP stam = redguard

pve healer = argonian

pve tank = imperial

pve magicka = dunmer /altmer

ok done , bosmer, orc, nord, etc only for roleplaying

PvE tanking will probably still be very versatile given the changes to orc passives, and argonian nightblade sap tanks will probably still be doing their thing just as well as they did before. Nords are great for tanking now that they have max stam to go along with their damage reduction.

Healing wise altmer/breton will be the go-to simply because of the max resources which will still put out a bit more healing than argonians. Orc is great for PvE dps (not the best) simply because of its increased physical damage with melee attacks such as jabs or rapid strikes.

I am looking forward to being able to be more competitive on my khajiits in PvP this patch.

bebynnag · June 2016

This one remembers when some EP nords & dark elf's on xbox eu launched, and people laughed at her tail!

TequilaFire · June 2016

I like this change, now I have a choice between Redguard and Khajiit.

jknight201 · June 2016

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

It should be noted again for clarity purposes that you cannot critically hit enemies with damage shields. This used to be an almost non existent issue in PvE as there were very scarce mobs that would actually shield in game, but there has been an alarming rise to damage shields in PvE on mobs. Both of the new DLC dungeons have mobs that shield themselves, as well as Shielding bosses/mobs in vDSA, vMoL, and vAA. This removes Khajiit's DPS racial passives to 0 on live, so the 6% max Stam actually helps deter the loss on these situations. I would expect the trend of shielding mobs in PvE will only continue with future DLC as well.

Agree. Zos breaks player shields because "diverse play" so then they add shields to their new MOBs to cover up for the fact that they don't know how to make challenging content, only hard content.

Protip here Zos - hard to kill MOBs does not equal challenging content.

acw37162 · June 2016

Can this please get the speed passive to, I am a cat after all and much faster then an Orc.

Also can we change something to be called "grooming" with a 5% reduction in the barber shops costs.

This one laughs.

acw37162 · June 2016

4% less stamina then Redguard

8% more crit.

Red guard gets a ridiculous stamina return allowing lower regen.

I'm really not sure why all the rage.

DDuke · June 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

4% less stamina then Redguard

8% more crit.

Red guard gets a ridiculous stamina return allowing lower regen.

I'm really not sure why all the rage.

4% stamina is not even close to 8% crit chance.

If your base stamina pool is around 35k, 4% adds 1,4k to it.

1,4k stamina=1,5%~ damage
8% crit=8%+ damage with proper Warhorn rotation in group.

Sustain is meaningless. Even my Imperial character can sustain in all PvE content without having to get any regen bonuses.

It's not "rage", it's common sense.

Helluin · June 2016

It's a quite unrequired buff to Khajiit and detached from the the current PvE situation.
Bosmer should have deserved a bonus to ranged attacks as masters of bow or at least 3% more stamina.
Also Nord and Orcs could have been better.

Breton should get something else instead of 1% more AP and something to be equal to other magicka races.

kadar · June 2016

DDuke wrote: »

Khajiit Skills
Medium Armor Expertise: This passive ability has been renamed to “Cutpurse.” Also, in addition to the current benefit it now increases your chance to successfully pickpocket by 5%.

Nice, nice.. fitting lorewise etc - good change.

Robust Constitution: This passive ability has been renamed to “Nimble.” Also, it no longer increases your Health Recovery by 6/13/20%. It now increases your Max Stamina by 2/4/6% and continues to increase your Stamina Recovery by 3/6/10%.

Wait a second... you are giving the current strongest PvE DPS class for stamina builds 6% more stamina?

Can't say I'm a big fan of this change - many of us were looking forward to the other weaker stamina races becoming somewhat stronger for PvE (and PvP in some cases). Imperial, Nord, Bosmer... these are all races that should've gotten a DPS boost - not the already strongest race.

I know there's an option for race change being added as well, but it doesn't mean everyone in competitive PvE should become a khajiit.

Discuss.

@DDuke
My main is a khajiit, so obviously I'm super stoked to see my race get buffed. I had planned on race change to Redgaurd, but now I don't need to.

Like you said, Khajiit is sub par for PVP even for ganking (Wood elf > Khajiit ganker). My understanding was that Khajiit is the strongest race for Stamina NB in PVE because of NBs crit modifier being higher than other classes.

Redguard NB < Khajiit NB
Redguard DK > Khajiit DK?
Redguard Sorc > Khajiit Sorc?
Redguard Templar > Khajiit Templar?

Is this incorrect? And if Khajiit IS better than Redguard, by how much are we talking?