Lokey0024 wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

holosoul wrote: »

Tsar_Bogatyr wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

It's well past time to change the Shield Breaker set. Leaving this set in the game after what has been done to shields is like spitting in our faces.

My suggestion woukd be to change the five piece bonus to do extra damage to roll dodgers or to NB. They have it too easy right now.

So i assume you don't stack shields anymore at all on your sorc..

Probably don't even run a single one on your bar since ya know..they're useless

*grin*

Reading comprehension, dude. My words were near uselessness. We have no choice but to use them gimped as they are.

How are they gimped? they still absorb the same amount of damage, what's your problem?

the problem is that basically every good sorc player considers their shield a pro-active and not a reactive defense.
wrobel thought otherwise, but unfortunately this playstyle (of not casting shields until you are taking damage) is not very viable because sorcs cannot take very much damage.

Exactly. Any CC while our shield wears out and we're done for. Get stuck trying to cast on the wrong bar after failed swap and we're done for. There is no other viable option but light armor for our class and it's like paper thanks to changes made back at the start of 1.6. Even with max cp, stam builds rip through it easily.

There is a rumor, crazy one, that impen and not having 20k health might let you live a second or 2 more. Or not putting yourself in stupid situations where you could before as well.

At least you have an execute. My super op mag dk thinks your tears will dry eventually

Minalan wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

A mag DK writing off sorc complaints as salty tears? Did I just enter the Twilight Zone?

As a DK I would expect you to remember how your playstyle has been nerfed since the beginning of the game and is now largely destroyed outside of a very small niche these days. Are you just so bitter that you take pleasure in seeing sorc go down that road too now?

And here's the deal with impen: sorcs don't have any kind of big self heal that can keep them up while impen goes on protecting them. Sorcs have to heal with healing ward and supplement that with other shields to keep from being essentially 1 shot from animation canceled combos. Impen is helpful to a degree, but not in the way it is to other classes: NBs have cloak along with an assortment of other minor healing sources, DKs have burning ember now for a strong heal (crap compared to the old GDB, but still more than a sorc has), and templars of course have templar heals. All other classes have these skills that are supplemental heals to healing ward. Sorc has f* all.

Telling sorcs that the solution to everything is just stack impen just shows that you don't have much if any experience playing a sorc to begin with. Impen is useful, but lack of impen is not the cause of the problems sorc has now, nor is adding 'moar impen' the solution to those problems. And please don't suggest blessing of restoration, whenever I see a sorc trying to spam that as a main heal it just tells me they're a free kill.


Not addressing you in particular, but the sad thing is that this is the common prevailing attitude that I've seen in the 'nerf sorc' crowd: the idea that "sorcs should have to build like everyone else and not be able to rely on shields". It's a very narrow and one sided way to look at the class. The whole problem is that sorcs don't have a viable way now to build that would center on using impen and not spamming shields. In 1.5 you could do it with impen heavy armor and S/B, simply getting by with resto heals, but the removal of soft caps simply killed that.

I Tried Impen. It doesn't help. Running four pieces can reduce crit, but when you have zero armor because your opponent has 15K armor penetration it's a moot point. You're dead anyway. That's what people have trouble understanding. Heals can't keep up with the damage on zero armor with or without Impen. At least with divines, you can stack sustain high enough to keep shields up longer, and fire more attack spells.

Spell damage builds are dead in the DB meta. Throw a handful of frags, curses, and FP. Then Streak once or twice to avoid siege circles. Refresh shields a few times. You're out of mana. And dead. I've killed so many torug/kena/apprentice/Julianos setups it isn't even funny. They blow their wad on your plentiful wards and it's over.

You need the light armor cost reduction. You need atronach. You need divines. You need 60 points into Magician and Acranist. You need sets with cost reduction. You need cost reduction jewelry enchants. My frags hit for 1000 less than yours, but I can cast them all day long.

High shield builds are dead in the DB meta. 120 Bastion won't help you on a six second shield. It's a waste, because you recast it four times as often. Drop it, in half or more. Put the extra points into Hardy and Elemental Defender.

Heavy armor sorcs are DOA in the DB meta. It's all about sustain and max magicka. None of the heavy armor passives help with spell damage, penetration, or cost. A heavy armor sorc will get waxed by one in light armor with equal skill.

There's your working sorc meta: sustain and offense is the new defense. Have at it. I'm not some elitist trying to hide poorly kept secrets. I want people to have fun.