With new perks being added to ESO Plus members, how many of us have subscribed and why?

Duiwel · June 2016

I am an ESO plus member since the beginning, dropped it because I stopped playing due to work.

Took a 1 and a half year break.

Came back in December and have been subscribed since...

So I want to select the first option but not sure if I qualify

TheDarkoil · June 2016

I bought the game on release for £50 and wasn't happy about the subscription but had it anyways for about 3 month until I gave up on the game. I recently started playing again and I had the subscription started again before I had even reinstalled because it's just the way I am. For £8 a month or whatever it's a great deal because I'm actually saving money by not buying other games as I have become quite addicted to eso. The bag perk was just icing on the cake.

FriedEggSandwich · June 2016

I haven't missed a sub payment since april 2014, but the play-breaks I take are getting longer and I probably would have unsubbed recently if it hadn't been for the introduction of new sub perks

Lysette · June 2016

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I'm not really interested in a subscription model nor do I miss any of the offers related to one. I wouldn't mind access to some of the content though and would be happy to "pay" for it though advertising support. If they made an "Allow sponsored ads for content" check box I'd be all over that.

I would gladly take 30 seconds to have a dialogue with the spirit of the defeated mantacora about why I should take a minute to order a pizza or book residence on airbnb or whatever before the next pull. I don't know why mmos have never done this or had branded environments that generate sales traffic. Golden opportunity here, literally.

This is the kind of thing I would never accept - I would be gone for good.

If you were a paying customer you wouldn't experience branded environments at all. It would just be an alternative for ZoS to monetize paywall content that is off their demand curve for the price they have chosen. You could safely think of it like Spotify. I pay for Spotify because I like music without ad breaks. I pay for Netflix and Amazon prime because it is easier than torrenting. I bought a fallout 4 season pass because the content interests me. I don't pay for MMO subscriptions because I don't think the content is that interesting. They could monetize that opportunity cost with branded environments that only are experienced by those who don't find value in their offer. Furthermore, they can provide player liquidity to their paywall content to make experiencing group content easier for their cash customers. This could reduce wait times for tanks and healers in group queues.

I am against it - we have enough of this *** pretty much everywhere and have to block it out - we pay for the game, we can expect it to be ad free - this is not a free to play game. And those who do not subscribe are paying customers as well, they have a right to be free from ads.

See, I stopped watching TV totally - because it is full of ads - this stuff is so annoying and steals my time - every minute I have to watch this crap, steals a minute of my life - I am not willing to invest that for something what I do not want in the first place. If they force that on me, they will not get any more money from me - and I will stay away, to not be tempted. Just like I do it with TV.

And if they would have problems with revenue, they just have to be honest to us - make it subscription only and we will be fine again. There is no need for ads.

nordsavage · June 2016

I buy all the DLC, I buy a good amount of costumes and pets, I play pretty much everyday, I subbed non-stop when it was mandatory. Subbing now has no benefits to a guy like me. I feel that jamming more and more stuff like dyeing costumes is pretty crappy especially when I have been a loyal player when stuff like that should be in the base package. If everything is going to end up having a fee with no regard to loyalty then I might move on from this game and only come back to sub one month a year just to blow through the stories. All of the lore with none of the cheap money grubbing tactics.

Averya_Teira · June 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

I buy all the DLC, I buy a good amount of costumes and pets, I play pretty much everyday, I subbed non-stop when it was mandatory. Subbing now has no benefits to a guy like me. I feel that jamming more and more stuff like dyeing costumes is pretty crappy especially when I have been a loyal player when stuff like that should be in the base package. If everything is going to end up having a fee with no regard to loyalty then I might move on from this game and only come back to sub one month a year just to blow through the stories. All of the lore with none of the cheap money grubbing tactics.

If you buy lots of Crown packs, what's the problem with buying a little less of them and subbing instead ? Just buy one less crown pack every 3-4 months or so... I mean, you do get crowns for sub.

nordsavage · June 2016

Averya_Teira wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

I buy all the DLC, I buy a good amount of costumes and pets, I play pretty much everyday, I subbed non-stop when it was mandatory. Subbing now has no benefits to a guy like me. I feel that jamming more and more stuff like dyeing costumes is pretty crappy especially when I have been a loyal player when stuff like that should be in the base package. If everything is going to end up having a fee with no regard to loyalty then I might move on from this game and only come back to sub one month a year just to blow through the stories. All of the lore with none of the cheap money grubbing tactics.

If you buy lots of Crown packs, what's the problem with buying a little less of them and subbing instead ? Just buy one less crown pack every 3-4 months or so... I mean, you do get crowns for sub.

I do not need anything from the subscription not even crafting bags. Should it not be enough that I buy all the DLC as it comes out? I do not need a surplus of crowns. That is how impulse buys happen and it what they are counting on. How many times have you heard people go "Wait? My subs up and I lost DLC access. But I spent all my crowns on my Sheo goat and Guar mount and I do not have enough left to buy the DLC." or they end up buying repair kits and such because they have 30k crowns. I do not want to be punished for buying what I need when I need it especially when I keep up to date on content.

AmberLaTerra · June 2016

To those suggesting adds to get the perks of sub, or crowns free it will never work.

1. Other games have done this and it only results in "well I see adds so I should get everything instantly cause I pay with them"
2. Runescape has done Ads on their F2P servers for years, just look up their fiscal reports and you will see those ads do not even cover the f2p server costs.

Subs will still be paying for your ability to play and you will be getting free crowns on our dollar then which I am totally against. I already support enough entitlements with the taxes I pay IRL I do not want my sub going to more entitlements beyond the simple ability for you to play for free.

Don't want to buy crowns or sub, then live with what you have and don't expect all of us who do sub to pay your way too.

Phatmattfu · June 2016

I'm on ps4 and with all the technical issues going on I find it crazy people would pay for a broken game.
I'll sub again once dungeon finder is working and the constant load screen issues are fixed.

Tandor · June 2016

Kalifas wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

As of last year before they launched on Console. The understanding has been that nothing beyond base game additions and bug fixes would be promised for the base game. That if you wanted certain things that would be attached to the DLCs directly or the Subscription. Youd have to either outright buy the DLC or subscribe.

Most opted NOT to sub because they felt there was no value. Now that the subs are being given more value. Suddenly its an issue. The funniest thing to me is those who proclaim to spend money on the game every month. Even more than subs and yet havent gotten in their heads yet that if they took just a portion of what they spent every month and put it into the sub. Theyd still get the Crowns as well as the benefits of the sub. So at this point Im convinced the vast majority of those outraged over Crafting Bags and now this Costume Dye set up is just outrage for the sake of being outraged.

This forum is filled to the brim of people being upset with things for the sake of being upset. They have no real reason or concern. But drama and such gives a more desirable immediate reward chemically than being happy with something.

The understanding of Tamriel Unlimited is that you wouldn't need a subscription to play any of the game. That is the whole point of the game going buy to play. It means players could buy dlc and avoid the reality that comes with most subscription only games.It's the same kind of story that people who want to cut the cord on cable. It's not that people expect stuff free but they don't like the concept of monthly fees. And many people have cut the cable by switching to internet services like hulu, roku, netflix,etc. Yes those services still have monthly fees but are typically cheaper than standard cable.

People subbed before the crafting bags and the costume dye set. I see countless posts here that says they have been subbed since launch. My issue is not with ZoS offering minor perks to subscribers, they should offer even more minor perks than they have been. My issue is these the bags and dye system are in no way minor. One makes the alternate way to access it very cumbersome with it's impermanence and the other is not even available in the base game.

As a non subscriber they can no longer craft as comfortably as a subscriber or dye as often as a subscriber without venturing into the crown store everytime they want to change something. I would at least like to see an addition of 200 crafting spaces for sale and a dye dlc that somehow offers a permanent dye access. Having to visit the crown store anytime I want to customize something makes the game feel like a free to play micro-transaction store.

It is no longer Tamriel Unlimited but Tamriel Limited.But it seems since the announcement there is no going back and rather than constantly state how wrong it is. I opted to ask for more affordable and scaled subscription packages.

Indeed, and that is still the case. Buy to Play is based around the principle that you can do everything in the game without a subscription but that there are certain convenience factors if you subscribe. That's all the crafting bag is, a convenience item. Completing the content without it now is every bit as feasible as it was for the preceding two years when we didn't have the bag. The costume dye set is entirely a fluff item unrelated to completing the game's content.

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2016

Kalifas wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

As of last year before they launched on Console. The understanding has been that nothing beyond base game additions and bug fixes would be promised for the base game. That if you wanted certain things that would be attached to the DLCs directly or the Subscription. Youd have to either outright buy the DLC or subscribe.

Most opted NOT to sub because they felt there was no value. Now that the subs are being given more value. Suddenly its an issue. The funniest thing to me is those who proclaim to spend money on the game every month. Even more than subs and yet havent gotten in their heads yet that if they took just a portion of what they spent every month and put it into the sub. Theyd still get the Crowns as well as the benefits of the sub. So at this point Im convinced the vast majority of those outraged over Crafting Bags and now this Costume Dye set up is just outrage for the sake of being outraged.

This forum is filled to the brim of people being upset with things for the sake of being upset. They have no real reason or concern. But drama and such gives a more desirable immediate reward chemically than being happy with something.

The understanding of Tamriel Unlimited is that you wouldn't need a subscription to play any of the game. That is the whole point of the game going buy to play. It means players could buy dlc and avoid the reality that comes with most subscription only games.It's the same kind of story that people who want to cut the cord on cable. It's not that people expect stuff free but they don't like the concept of monthly fees. And many people have cut the cable by switching to internet services like hulu, roku, netflix,etc. Yes those services still have monthly fees but are typically cheaper than standard cable.

People subbed before the crafting bags and the costume dye set. I see countless posts here that says they have been subbed since launch. My issue is not with ZoS offering minor perks to subscribers, they should offer even more minor perks than they have been. My issue is these the bags and dye system are in no way minor. One makes the alternate way to access it very cumbersome with it's impermanence and the other is not even available in the base game.

As a non subscriber they can no longer craft as comfortably as a subscriber or dye as often as a subscriber without venturing into the crown store everytime they want to change something. I would at least like to see an addition of 200 crafting spaces for sale and a dye dlc that somehow offers a permanent dye access. Having to visit the crown store anytime I want to customize something makes the game feel like a free to play micro-transaction store.

It is no longer Tamriel Unlimited but Tamriel Limited.But it seems since the announcement there is no going back and rather than constantly state how wrong it is. I opted to ask for more affordable and scaled subscription packages.

So in other words youd like everything the Subs get but at a fraction of the asking price. Subs have to maintain their payments monthly to continue to access the Bags and the Dyes....While you expect to make an upfront purchase that will serve you til the servers are shut down.

This is why ZOS shouldnt listen to you. Because you have zero interest in the betterment of this game and only your selfish immediate gratification.

Arato · June 2016

Abeille wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

svartorn wrote: »

I've been a subscriber since the beginning.

I'm not a fan of free to play games. They seem to attract too many obnoxious teens.

unfortunately thats just a staple of all online games. And its definitely not just teens. It brings a lot of less than desirable adults out of the woodwork as well.

F2P attracts Brazilians and Russians, who are too poor to buy into B2P and P2P games for the most part, now, the Brazilians and Russians I've met while games are P2P or B2P, fine people, since they're paying and invested in the game, they are a lot better mannered, don't cheat or hack or grief, most of them even speak pretty good English.

Why, thank you

Arato wrote: »

But when a game goes F2P? It's awful, chat channel gets spammed with Portuguese or Cyrillic, and the "BR's" bully and grief everyone trying to chase anyone NOT BR off the server. In TERA it was BR's, on LotRO it was Russians. I don't entirely understand why but people from those 2 particular countries flood F2P games and make them awful.

I can't speak for Russians, but there are some factors that lead to that behavior in Brazil.

Games in Brazil are generally seen as a "kids thing". I find it somehow hard to find other Brazilians of about my age (24) that like games, especially in my field of work (I'm a lawyer). Because of that, A LOT - and I mean it when I say A LOT - of the people who play games here are very young kids. Because of the stigma and the high price of electronics here, most kids have to make choices regarding what they want to play, and they will choose F2P games because then they can choose more games. Oh and our public education system is absolutely dreadful, you have no idea. It is a huge challenge to find a kid that actually learnt to speak English in school, and not by doing private classes or even teaching themselves at home.

And really, they behave awfully because there are little to no consequences to that behavior in most F2P games. No one is there to give them a slap on the wrist. Their parents don't care about what they are doing online. The Brazilians you see in B2P and P2P games are usually adults who have their own income, hence the different behavior.

I'm speaking from experience. I played both F2P and P2P games in Brazilians servers on the last 10 years.

Yeah the difference between a Brazilian and a BR is just so dramatic. It's hard to believe you guys are countrymen. but it being educated adults and uneducated children can go quite a ways I guess. I am still in shock from 2 years ago, when I bought TERA for $10 the week before it went F2P because they said even buying it for that cheap would give you founder benefits so I figured, why not, I heard TESO was going to have a combat system similar to it so I thought I'd give it a try. That first week.. decent community. A little bit pervy and creepy considering their obsession with the furry little girl race, but not too bad. THE DAY F2P launched, English became a minority language in all chats, and if someone asked you something and you said you didn't understand them they said (in all caps of course) "BR SERVER GO F--- URSELF LEAVE" spammed until they got a system error where they couldn't spam anymore.

They started making guilds, all of them having the brazilian flag as their logo in some form.... and people think Americans are overy patriotic... Heh, maybe the difference between Brazilians and BR's is the same between Americans and MURIKA

Lysette · June 2016

Phatmattfu wrote: »

I'm on ps4 and with all the technical issues going on I find it crazy people would pay for a broken game.
I'll sub again once dungeon finder is working and the constant load screen issues are fixed.

That is the strange situation we have to face - part of the game works just fine without significant problems, and the other is broken. I play in the part which is ok, it runs fine to me, I have none of the issues many have - but I am just doing solo PvE. But I can understand that for some the state of the game is a nightmare - especially what I heard from xbox1 users.

Izaki · June 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Thirdly, the way ZOS dealt with the whole cheating and exploiting issues, from the crafting surveys to the CE debacle, was an exercise in how not to handle this sort of issues in an online game. No real hard punishments, overturned bans for proven cheaters and non-existing communication with concerned players.

What did you expect ZOS to come out and scream all over the net : "Hey we did X to stop cheating and hacking !" ? Like seriously did you think they were going to talk to everyone about it ? Like just so that the cheaters know when they can't cheat anymore so as to not get caught ? Like so that they could figure out a way to bypass X to hack the game ? Like seriously did you think they would communicate with all the people on the forums who bash and insult them constantly about their incompetence ? People have been screaming and making a million different threads instead of sending in-game reports, which is what ZOS has asked everyone to do. No, no one listened they just kept making threads and menacing to spread the word to all the gaming critics, which could result in a serious drop of reputation for the game and a turnaway for newcomers. I agree that ZOS don't treat customers the best way possible (lack of communication, etc.), but we treat them like rubbish too.

It is also their job to ensure that there will be no cheating in the game. They can't tell everyone what they do and how they do it. And it is a right for people to stay anonymous even when they infringed a law or in this case a game condition of use. They are still humans, and humans have rights. Thats why Zeni asked people to stop naming and shaming, but guess what, no one listened. Those guys had proof against hackers, but don't forget the people who named those cheating f*ckers also infringed the conditions of game use by openly not respecting their right of staying anonymous, which is a shame. At court for example, you can't provide evidence by illegal means, otherwise the evidence will be dismissed. So in this case, people were naming and shaming which is against the game "laws", so its a form of illegal evidence so it had to be dismissed. Don't get me wrong, I agree that it is stupid, I hate it, but thats the way it works in the game and in life.

To wrap this up, none of us here on the forums have any sort of information on the punishments that the cheaters received and I strongly believe that they did get punished, its just none of our business. We don't have to know what happened to those guys. Don't directly assume that nothing happened just because you don't know what happened.

Bottom line : do not spit at the devs when you know nothing of the issue. They worked their asses off to provide you with a game that you all enjoy. Anyway, help Zenimax fix problems, don't make it harder for them.

daemonios · June 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Thirdly, the way ZOS dealt with the whole cheating and exploiting issues, from the crafting surveys to the CE debacle, was an exercise in how not to handle this sort of issues in an online game. No real hard punishments, overturned bans for proven cheaters and non-existing communication with concerned players.

What did you expect ZOS to come out and scream all over the net : "Hey we did X to stop cheating and hacking !" ? Like seriously did you think they were going to talk to everyone about it ? Like just so that the cheaters know when they can't cheat anymore so as to not get caught ? Like so that they could figure out a way to bypass X to hack the game ? Like seriously did you think they would communicate with all the people on the forums who bash and insult them constantly about their incompetence ? People have been screaming and making a million different threads instead of sending in-game reports, which is what ZOS has asked everyone to do. No, no one listened they just kept making threads and menacing to spread the word to all the gaming critics, which could result in a serious drop of reputation for the game and a turnaway for newcomers. I agree that ZOS don't treat customers the best way possible (lack of communication, etc.), but we treat them like rubbish too.

It is also their job to ensure that there will be no cheating in the game. They can't tell everyone what they do and how they do it. And it is a right for people to stay anonymous even when they infringed a law or in this case a game condition of use. They are still humans, and humans have rights. Thats why Zeni asked people to stop naming and shaming, but guess what, no one listened. Those guys had proof against hackers, but don't forget the people who named those cheating f*ckers also infringed the conditions of game use by openly not respecting their right of staying anonymous, which is a shame. At court for example, you can't provide evidence by illegal means, otherwise the evidence will be dismissed. So in this case, people were naming and shaming which is against the game "laws", so its a form of illegal evidence so it had to be dismissed. Don't get me wrong, I agree that it is stupid, I hate it, but thats the way it works in the game and in life.

To wrap this up, none of us here on the forums have any sort of information on the punishments that the cheaters received and I strongly believe that they did get punished, its just none of our business. We don't have to know what happened to those guys. Don't directly assume that nothing happened just because you don't know what happened.

Bottom line : do not spit at the devs when you know nothing of the issue. They worked their asses off to provide you with a game that you all enjoy. Anyway, help Zenimax fix problems, don't make it harder for them.

Go read the actual cheat threads before spewing nonsense. I never asked for cheaters to be named, or for full disclosure of anti-cheat measures. What I do ask, at the very least - since obviously they can't fix the issues that allow some of the cheaters to go on using CE, for instance - is a transparent policy. What is or isn't considered a cheat. What can get you suspended and what can get you banned. Why suspensions and bans are overturned. Why confirmed cheaters don't have irregularly obtained items taken away. How many people were disciplined and what punishments were applied. You know, what most MMO devs worthy of their name are already doing.

Dropping the banhammer is all very good, but only fools wouldn't bet first and foremost on deterrence. If players know they'll be disciplined, fewer will attempt to cheat. It's as simple as that. In ESO what you see is the opposite, a gaming culture based on impunity and shoddy second chances.