Weapon Damage Perks v. Spell Damage Perks

Vinther · June 2016

Because if you try to get pen. via CP, its not really that rewarding as the flat damage % increase.

But stacking penetration with sharpened trait, maces-mauls, crusher enchant, night mother's gaze, major-minor debuffs is seriously rewarding whether it is in pve or pvp. It used to be that weapon damage took #1 spot, but now that the shields are nerfed you dont need to stack it as penetration gives you more damage than weapon damage. (except for vigor heals).

You can reduce cloth and medium armor wearers literally into 0 resists with an ease and you have mauls-maces to deal with heavy armor users.

Try to run build with at least 15k armor pen + 20% penetration vs build using 0 armor pen and stuff like swords/greatswords with fully stacked weapon damage. You will see a huuuuge difference favoring the armor pen build.

One of the simply mathematical reasons is that the STRONGER you hit, the MORE DAMAGE YOU LOSE from enemies resists. So stacking weapon damage without enough penetration is useless.

Vinther · June 2016

In PvE you can get by with less penetration, but still sharpened is currently #1 trait unless you are running FULLY optimized trial group which very little amount of players are. And there is a reason why Night Mothers Gaze is a considerable DPS gain over Hundings. And so on and so forth.

But PvE is also using crit as meta, so you are better off with 1 dagger 1 axe over 2x maces DPS-wise. It wont work for PvP though.

KingDuncanVII · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

In PvE you can get by with less penetration, but still sharpened is currently #1 trait unless you are running FULLY optimized trial group which very little amount of players are. And there is a reason why Night Mothers Gaze is a considerable DPS gain over Hundings. And so on and so forth.

But PvE is also using crit as meta, so you are better off with 1 dagger 1 axe over 2x maces DPS-wise. It wont work for PvP though.

Interesting. I always craft my weapons with Penetration - so is that all the penetration I really need? Or should I invest more with my CP for PvE? I don't use Daggers/Axe/Maces for my Magblade as he is Magicka based.

Vinther · June 2016

You can find the best application of CP through this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zp9v1Vp4Z7X6zfDfcxTwyAnejv-tEC5LujbXYBiVMDk/edit#gid=599371859

Some points into penetration with CP will boost your DPS if you are close to CP cap.

It is generally enough to run sharpened staff-swords as magblade and for solo runs like vmsa the major debuff from staff tree.

Ep1kMalware · June 2016

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

you're missing the point OP. Hoe about max resource pools? do you really want to be hit ny a crystal frag from someone with nearly 50k max magica and 6k spell dmg? you got lots to learn before making suggestions xD

You have lots to learn about reading comprehension before insinuating that I was suggesting anything. If you, carefully, read my original post, you would've noticed that I was asking for "guidance" and clarification. Nowhere did I say for anyone to do anything. I'm trying to figure out, for myself, how to be as effective with my Magblade as my Stamblade. So either provide clarity or keep your elitist mentality to yourself.

gomac magica, nbs have best max magica in eso

Edited to remove insulting language

Anti_Virus · June 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Mordenkainen wrote: »

mark.sinclair4rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Could it be that magic is not buffed as much because of it's range?

This item category here disagrees.

The weapon noone uses as their primary tool of dealing damage except for snipe gankers.

Pretty much

Destyran · June 2016

Mordenkainen wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

You didn't include any class skills.

If you read the OPs post again, that was precisely his point. And as a magicka NB, I understand exactly what he means. I'm sitting at 3k myself with 5 pieces julianos 1 Molag Kena and 2 torugs + apprentice stone (OP might want to write that down. )

We will however never reach the spell damage ranges a sorcerer will for example due to his class passive skills.

And yes, there's just a bloatload of stamina dps catering in ESO, I'd like to see the same possibilities for magicka/spelldamage builds.

Ok or the 54k max magika builds sorcs are npw using. LOL!!

khele23eb17_ESO · June 2016

To have balance you dont need magicka and stamina to have the same stats, the same skills, the same buffs and the same playstyle. Thats not balance thats homogenization. You must look at overall effectiveness not at each little detail in separation from the rest. If class A has X but doesnt have Y which class B has, that is not a reason to demand class A to get Y... because class A has Z which class B doesnt have.

mark.sinclair4rwb17_ESO · June 2016

NBrookus wrote: »

mark.sinclair4rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Could it be that magic is not buffed as much because of it's range?

Have you played a magicka DK? It's all melee class skills.

That may be their thinking, but ranged damage is very hard to maintain in pvp with the glut of roots, snares, and gap closers.

No I haven't, I'm relatively new, which is why it was a question, not a statement.

Ep1kMalware · June 2016

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Mordenkainen wrote: »

mark.sinclair4rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Could it be that magic is not buffed as much because of it's range?

This item category here disagrees.

The weapon noone uses as their primary tool of dealing damage except for snipe gankers.

Pretty much

bow is good. But not like that. snipe is bad xD. Use bow to apply dots. Then use maces.

tist · June 2016

Why does every stamina attack hit 2x harder than magicka?

Dracane · June 2016

Don't forget that dual wield and 2 handed melee weapons (mainly used by stamina) also offer a much higher base damage value than staves. So stamina has a natural advantage here.

Dracane · June 2016

Mordenkainen wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

You didn't include any class skills.

If you read the OPs post again, that was precisely his point. And as a magicka NB, I understand exactly what he means. I'm sitting at 3k myself with 5 pieces julianos 1 Molag Kena and 2 torugs + apprentice stone (OP might want to write that down. )

We will however never reach the spell damage ranges a sorcerer will for example due to his class passive skills.

And yes, there's just a bloatload of stamina dps catering in ESO, I'd like to see the same possibilities for magicka/spelldamage builds.

Templars have access to a minor spell damage buff (10% more) just from 1 passive, Sorcerer would need 5 Sorc abilities slotted to reach that and this is not a good setup.
So imo, Templars are the ones with the highest spell damage, because they need to slot nothing in order to gain it really, they just have it.

KingDuncanVII · June 2016

I'd love to see tooltip number comparisons of a Magicka player with high Max Magicka (45K) and moderate Spell Damage (3K) versus a Stam players with high Weapon Damage (5+K) and moderate Max Stamina (32K).

KingDuncanVII · June 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Templars have access to a minor spell damage buff (10% more) just from 1 passive, Sorcerer would need 5 Sorc abilities slotted to reach that and this is not a good setup.
So imo, Templars are the ones with the highest spell damage, because they need to slot nothing in order to gain it really, they just have it.

False. They need to activate a Dawn's Wrath ability in order to get that 5% Spell Damage buff for 20 seconds.