When will we hear ANYTHING from the combat team on upcoming changes?

HoloYoitsu · June 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

4 mans really can't be Zergballs.

I'd say 12+ is when you can really start calling them that.

I am very confused now....

Xsorus wrote: »

4-8 could be considered zerging depending on which gameplay you're taking part in.

Xsorus wrote: »

While someone who doesn't zerg ball...me for example..Gave exactly two *** about any of those things.... I'm sure i'm not the only one either.

I continue to be confused...

Xsorus wrote:

I will Zerg any day of the week and have zero problem admitting it

You obviously haven't played enough DAOC.

Have you played enough DAOC to judge that I haven't played enough DAOC though?

Is one really qualified to make any judgment or hold any opinion in life if they have not played DAOC?

Cody · June 2016

watched someone consistently put out 10K+ attacks tonight, then crashed during loading screen. Was fun, great entertainment.

In other news, Britain has left the EU.

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

Cody wrote: »

watched someone consistently put out 10K+ attacks tonight, then crashed during loading screen. Was fun, great entertainment.

In other news, Britain has left the EU.

Oh good . Stocks should skyrocket up like a AD Zerg by Monday .

ToRelax · June 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

4 mans really can't be Zergballs.

I'd say 12+ is when you can really start calling them that.

I am very confused now....

Xsorus wrote: »

4-8 could be considered zerging depending on which gameplay you're taking part in.

Xsorus wrote: »

While someone who doesn't zerg ball...me for example..Gave exactly two *** about any of those things.... I'm sure i'm not the only one either.

I continue to be confused...

Xsorus wrote:

I will Zerg any day of the week and have zero problem admitting it

So there are 2 statements about zerg balls and zerging respectively, which do not contradict each other in any way. Are you that desperate?

HoloYoitsu · June 2016

ToRelax wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

4 mans really can't be Zergballs.

I'd say 12+ is when you can really start calling them that.

I am very confused now....

Xsorus wrote: »

4-8 could be considered zerging depending on which gameplay you're taking part in.

Xsorus wrote: »

While someone who doesn't zerg ball...me for example..Gave exactly two *** about any of those things.... I'm sure i'm not the only one either.

I continue to be confused...

Xsorus wrote:

I will Zerg any day of the week and have zero problem admitting it

So there are 2 statements about zerg balls and zerging respectively, which do not contradict each other in any way. Are you that desperate?

I'm not sure you're qualified to make that judgement without extensive DAOC references. =\

Ghost-Shot · June 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

4 mans really can't be Zergballs.

I'd say 12+ is when you can really start calling them that.

I am very confused now....

Xsorus wrote: »

4-8 could be considered zerging depending on which gameplay you're taking part in.

Xsorus wrote: »

While someone who doesn't zerg ball...me for example..Gave exactly two *** about any of those things.... I'm sure i'm not the only one either.

I continue to be confused...

Xsorus wrote:

I will Zerg any day of the week and have zero problem admitting it

So there are 2 statements about zerg balls and zerging respectively, which do not contradict each other in any way. Are you that desperate?

I'm not sure you're qualified to make that judgement without extensive DAOC references. =\

Clearly not enough DAOC experience, next.

Force-Siphon · June 2016

I love the new negate and yes Its tough on me when someone drops it on me as a sorc. It's one of the things that gives players a chance against a big group though. One of the best changes they made this patch and they won't revert it again lol.

Armitas · June 2016

Maybe if they make it break on any damage all the spammers will just undo the roots immediately.

Zheg · June 2016

Force-Siphon wrote: »

I love the new negate and yes Its tough on me when someone drops it on me as a sorc. It's one of the things that gives players a chance against a big group though. One of the best changes they made this patch and they won't revert it again lol.

The combo with bombard is the issue, though an argument could be made for the problem just being bombard.

On negate though, if it's going to be that strong then nova/banner/veil need to be at least in the same ballpark. Not only are they more expensive, they provide less usefulness than negate, AND they're also removed by negates. Like ... did no one on the combat team take a step back and ask if the negate change would leave it comparable to the other class ultimates?

HoloYoitsu · June 2016

Zheg wrote: »

Force-Siphon wrote: »

I love the new negate and yes Its tough on me when someone drops it on me as a sorc. It's one of the things that gives players a chance against a big group though. One of the best changes they made this patch and they won't revert it again lol.

The combo with bombard is the issue, though an argument could be made for the problem just being bombard.

On negate though, if it's going to be that strong then nova/banner/veil need to be at least in the same ballpark. Not only are they more expensive, they provide less usefulness than negate, AND they're also removed by negates. Like ... did no one on the combat team take a step back and ask if the negate change would leave it comparable to the other class ultimates?

Your first mistake was assuming there even is a combat team. Pretty sure it's just Wrobel with no oversight.

Soulac · June 2016

I don't care as long as they fix willows path.

frozywozy · June 2016

Zheg wrote: »

Lore_lai wrote: »

rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

All I saw was FENGOLAS making sure he emphasized how much he agrees with me.

Here's the thing fengrush, the stack on flags and win only by stacking more bodies because no dmg went through was terrible - but that's not the combat meta. The combat meta (lag permitting) was prox, tornado, and barrier rotation. The meta now is bring tons, drop multiple negates, and blanket the area with spread out bombard spammers.

Not sure who you're fighting on haderus, but your 4 man will have a bad time on TF fighting 60+ red and blue that spam camps, and it won't be because of aoe caps. You still complain about ball groups and yet there are fewer than ever while the megazerg moving en masse from one objective to another is the reality and stronger than ever.

I WISH more of the megazerg would form ball groups - they'd be easier to kill and could push different objectives. If you're playing on haderus because TF lags, I'm sorry, but youre missing what the meta actually is because that's what's causing the lag that makes you flee. It's not the ball groups on TF - there are hardly any left and they're running fewer - it's the megazerg that is strengthened and encouraged by the current combat mechanics.

You know instead of complaining about bombard you and your raid could get some Immovable pots with speed and stamina. You could also slot the the immovable skill that's available to all classes. But hey that would require you and your guys to rethink their build and how they allocate resources.

Immovable (or CC immunity in general) does not prevent soft CCs (like roots, in case you don't know what those are)

I was going to say this, a bit meaner and with some more sarcasm, but you beat me to it.

In fact immovable pots are largely useless in this meta as they don't even work on negates.

I would say that immovable pots are not as useful as they used to be because there aren't that many 24men ballgroups purge/tornado spammers anymore to totally break the server and make cc breaking unresponsive during key fights.

Thanks to specific guilds who have made an effort to reduce their numbers and to the dev team for the performance fixes.

Makkir wrote: »

the amount of dmg stamina classes can put out is ridiculous this DLC, too ridiculous to justify having the insane stamina heals they also have. Tone down one or the other FFS

The problem mentioned here is not a stamina only issue. The fact that weapon damage/spell damage increase both damage and healing potential is a broken mechanic. There should be a different stat for healing.

Cinbri wrote: »

Give back Reduce Break Free to heavy armor passives, grant Immovable Brute 10% reduce time of root for each piece, so it would be 70% for 7 pieces. Rename it to Unstoppable Brute.

They should revamp the entire champion points system with solutions like the one you mentioned. Remove all the "Add damage/survivability/sustain" points and replace them with more utility to skills/mechanics.

frozywozy · June 2016

From the PTS patch notes :

- Fixed an issue where numerous Stamina abilities could not be cast while you were silenced, or would only apply some of their effects while you were silenced.

Hopefuly no more complaining about Bombard spam + negate. You use either Shuffle or Forward momentum and you're out of there in a second. Hard counter. Period

And don't give me that silly excuse that those abilities are stamina based and you can't afford them on your magplar. You did told me in the Radiant Destruction thread to slot Purge on a stamDK. Goes both sides.

Zheg · June 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

From the PTS patch notes :

- Fixed an issue where numerous Stamina abilities could not be cast while you were silenced, or would only apply some of their effects while you were silenced.

Hopefuly no more complaining about Bombard spam + negate. You use either Shuffle or Forward momentum and you're out of there in a second. Hard counter. Period

And don't give me that silly excuse that those abilities are stamina based and you can't afford them on your magplar. You did told me in the Radiant Destruction thread to slot Purge on a stamDK. Goes both sides.

Shuffle doesn't work on a magicka class, at most you'd have 1 piece of medium for 0.5 seconds immunity. Forward momentum certainly does work, I ran it at the beginning of TG for testing, and went back to it on DB. 2H does not work for all classes though. Yes, it actually works well on magplar, but not every class. Also, it's a bit different than radiant destruction. If my jesus beam ended up pulling a chain lightning and hitting an entire raid at once, then it would be an issue yes? It's not bombard that people have a problem with, it's the perma root and the fact that it's just spammed by the megazerg.

HoloYoitsu · June 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

You use either Shuffle or Forward momentum and you're out of there in a second. Hard counter. Period

Thank you frozy for your amazing solution. I'm lovin the 0 seconds of immunity from Shuffle on my magicka build, and being forced to slot 2 hander for Forward Momentum on a mag sorc is genius on a class that is already forced to slot resto off bar due to lack of class heals.

On top of all of it, my absolute favorite part about the whole deal is how they are both stamina abilities. I just have all this extra stamina on my mag build sitting around being used for nothing.

Before you call hyperbole, remember, you're the one dubbing it the hard counter.

frozywozy · June 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

You use either Shuffle or Forward momentum and you're out of there in a second. Hard counter. Period

Thank you frozy for your amazing solution. I'm lovin the 0 seconds of immunity from Shuffle on my magicka build, and being forced to slot 2 hander for Forward Momentum on a mag sorc is genius on a class that is already forced to slot resto off bar due to lack of class heals.

On top of all of it, my absolute favorite part about the whole deal is how they are both stamina abilities. I just have all this extra stamina on my mag build sitting around being used for nothing.

Before you call hyperbole, remember, you're the one dubbing it the hard counter.

Maybe changing Shuffle to increase your chances to dodge instead of increasing the snare/root immunity per piece? Then put a straight 3-4 seconds immunity on it.
Maybe having a stamina purge morph from the alliance war would fix the issue?

Zheg · June 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

You use either Shuffle or Forward momentum and you're out of there in a second. Hard counter. Period

Thank you frozy for your amazing solution. I'm lovin the 0 seconds of immunity from Shuffle on my magicka build, and being forced to slot 2 hander for Forward Momentum on a mag sorc is genius on a class that is already forced to slot resto off bar due to lack of class heals.

On top of all of it, my absolute favorite part about the whole deal is how they are both stamina abilities. I just have all this extra stamina on my mag build sitting around being used for nothing.

Before you call hyperbole, remember, you're the one dubbing it the hard counter.

Maybe changing Shuffle to increase your chances to dodge instead of increasing the snare/root immunity per piece? Then put a straight 3-4 seconds immunity on it.
Maybe having a stamina purge morph from the alliance war would fix the issue?

Stam would certainly benefit from purge, but then whats the point of a stamplar? Theyd likely also be too strong with the healing, damage, and dodge roll that they get on top of a potential new stam purge. Your change to shuffle would make it so good everyone in pvp would have to run it just like we all used to have to run immovable back in the day. Bottom line is that the permaroot spam mechanic should have been fixed months ago, but ZOS gonna ZOS.

Sanct16 · June 2016

WTS Retreating Maneuver.