No barber shop confirmed!

SwaminoNowlino · June 2016

I do think it's funny their advert for the next patch has an in-game barbershop picture with toons getting their hair done and such. #bait&switch

Anhedonie · June 2016

Ravinsild wrote: »

Is it possible to be not surprised but disappointed simultaneously?

My thoughts exactly.

josefcifkaeb17_ESO · June 2016

I'm quite angry at the money grabbing policy ZoS is practicing lately, especially considering the game seems to be dying from an overflow of bugs that are not being solved at all.

Crafting bag should be something you can unlock by spending crowns in the store, not just for ESO plus members.
Changing hairstyles, tattoes etc. should be free for the basic ones and then people could buy premium new hairstyles and stuff for crowns.

Galbrant · June 2016

Ugh... ZoS I know you guys need to make money, but seriously just give us a barber shop in the base game and allow us to change our hairstyles, beards, makeup, and tattoos that were in the basic game with gold, For new hairstyles, beards, tattoos and make up's you have to get the most recent dlc or eso+. Cuz seriously at this point as soon as my friends get bored of this game I'm gone, because without them all I see is petty microtransactions trying to milk us for all we're worth.

Gothlander · June 2016

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

I do think it's funny their advert for the next patch has an in-game barbershop picture with toons getting their hair done and such. #bait&switch

Yeah. That's what I thought it was going to be like. It looks like they took a shortcut with what they showed in eso live.

Gidorick · June 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Lord of the Rings Online
World Of Warcraft
EVE Online
The Secret World
etc etc etc..

All had such things integrated into the game. Such a shame development here didn't make the effort to more. But still glad we have something, albeit the bare minimum they could have done.

For a development that teams that talks so much about the importance immersion, roleplay, and similar... Their actions sure are very different from their words at times.

Still, glad we have something, just saddened it's largely a token effort.

I'm actually very disappointed that there isn't in-game immersive integration @Rev Rielle

TES deserves better than to have their MMO half-assed time and time again.

This is pretty much the last straw for me. I was holding out hope of ESO becoming, over time, a more immersive ELDER SCROLLS type experience.

I no longer feel like that will ever happen. I had faith in ZOS. I had faith that Oblivion alum @ZOS_RichLambert would steer this ship down the Elder Scrolls path. I thought the course could be corrected.

There have been so many good decisions recently with the Dark Brotherhood kill animations, the thieves guild hiding mechanics, the dye stamps for costumes, One Tamriel... but those are just mired in the poor decisions of the rest of the developments.

ESO, with every other decision, is becoming a "cash shop" action RPG.

Good luck ZOS. Good luck. I'll always be around the game to check out what you've cooked up but I'm all out of reasons to continue on this forum.

Hey... at least I was the first person to make it 10,000 comments. That's something, right?

Roechacca · June 2016

If you give a animal a steak every time it performs a trick, it's not gonna repeat the trick for a hotdog. The point being, every new mount that came out was bought regardless of price. Every single one. They were charging full DLC price for some. Still, people lined up to throw a steak. Well, now you got one hungry animal on your hands people. Won't even give you basic old MMO tricks for less then a T-Bone.

If you didn't see it coming and want to cry now, it's too late. Better apply now for overtime if you want to feed the housing trick.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · June 2016

Just more reasons to not keep playing the game I guess, lol. They're milking the game for all it's worth now. xD
And of course dumb people will pay for it, soon we'll have that to get to the next non-dlc zone we just have to pay 5k crowns. xD

DaveMoeDee · June 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Making money off people's indecisiveness combined with the impulsive nature of online purchases. LOL. They won't get any money from me, but I'm sure they will make bank from a lot of other players.

That's what the crown store is. The mounts and costumes are all about that. How many mounts can a player ride?

KhajiitiLizard · June 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Lord of the Rings Online
World Of Warcraft
EVE Online
The Secret World
etc etc etc..

All had such things integrated into the game. Such a shame development here didn't make the effort to more. But still glad we have something, albeit the bare minimum they could have done.

For a development that teams that talks so much about the importance immersion, roleplay, and similar... Their actions sure are very different from their words at times.

Still, glad we have something, just saddened it's largely a token effort.

Add GW2 to the list... while you buy the self-makeover kit with gems you can buy gems using gold so therefore you can change your hairstyle using gold. No talking to an NPC but at least you can change your hair using gold (technically).

Kendaric · June 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Lord of the Rings Online
World Of Warcraft
EVE Online
The Secret World
etc etc etc..

All had such things integrated into the game. Such a shame development here didn't make the effort to more. But still glad we have something, albeit the bare minimum they could have done.

For a development that teams that talks so much about the importance immersion, roleplay, and similar... Their actions sure are very different from their words at times.

Still, glad we have something, just saddened it's largely a token effort.

I'm actually very disappointed that there isn't in-game immersive integration @Rev Rielle

TES deserves better than to have their MMO half-assed time and time again.

This is pretty much the last straw for me. I was holding out hope of ESO becoming, over time, a more immersive ELDER SCROLLS type experience.

I no longer feel like that will ever happen. I had faith in ZOS. I had faith that Oblivion alum @ZOS_RichLambert would steer this ship down the Elder Scrolls path. I thought the course could be corrected.

There have been so many good decisions recently with the Dark Brotherhood kill animations, the thieves guild hiding mechanics, the dye stamps for costumes, One Tamriel... but those are just mired in the poor decisions of the rest of the developments.

ESO, with every other decision, is becoming a "cash shop" action RPG.

Good luck ZOS. Good luck. I'll always be around the game to check out what you've cooked up but I'm all out of reasons to continue on this forum.

Hey... at least I was the first person to make it 10,000 comments. That's something, right?

Pretty much the way I feel, @Gidorick.

I'll give it a try on PTS, but it doesn't look good. I've been playing ESO because it's TES, the more it becomes like any other MMO the less likely I am to get the game experience I'm looking for.

Rev Rielle · June 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Lord of the Rings Online
World Of Warcraft
EVE Online
The Secret World
etc etc etc..

All had such things integrated into the game. Such a shame development here didn't make the effort to more. But still glad we have something, albeit the bare minimum they could have done.

For a development that teams that talks so much about the importance immersion, roleplay, and similar... Their actions sure are very different from their words at times.

Still, glad we have something, just saddened it's largely a token effort.

I'm actually very disappointed that there isn't in-game immersive integration @Rev Rielle

TES deserves better than to have their MMO half-assed time and time again.

This is pretty much the last straw for me. I was holding out hope of ESO becoming, over time, a more immersive ELDER SCROLLS type experience.

I no longer feel like that will ever happen. I had faith in ZOS. I had faith that Oblivion alum @ZOS_RichLambert would steer this ship down the Elder Scrolls path. I thought the course could be corrected.

There have been so many good decisions recently with the Dark Brotherhood kill animations, the thieves guild hiding mechanics, the dye stamps for costumes, One Tamriel... but those are just mired in the poor decisions of the rest of the developments.

ESO, with every other decision, is becoming a "cash shop" action RPG.

Good luck ZOS. Good luck. I'll always be around the game to check out what you've cooked up but I'm all out of reasons to continue on this forum.

Hey... at least I was the first person to make it 10,000 comments. That's something, right?

Yes, it's disappointing. I was really hoping for mechanics similar - akin - The Secret World. For those that don't know;There are two options:

* Firstly, you can enter a barber shop in London, and sit down in the chair whilst you get your hair 'cut'. There you can change all the usual aspects; hair, make-up, visible jewellery etc.
* Secondly, you can go to a 'mad' plastic surgeon in New York. There you lie on an operating table and can get things like your gender/skin-type, facial details, etc etc changed. There are even a couple of missions associated with the surgeon you can begin whilst in there.

In both places, whilst you're getting the changes the NPCs talk to you, or to themselves about you, It's great. Both are seamlessly integrated into the game. And in both places you can use either game-shop currency, or in-game gold.

Anyways, it is what it is. It's not the end of the world or anything, just... well we've said it all already.

Burning_Talons · June 2016

They forgot to mention you need 10 tokens to craft a single refined token which is used to change something.

Rev Rielle · June 2016

KhajiitiLizard wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Lord of the Rings Online
World Of Warcraft
EVE Online
The Secret World
etc etc etc..

All had such things integrated into the game. Such a shame development here didn't make the effort to more. But still glad we have something, albeit the bare minimum they could have done.

For a development that teams that talks so much about the importance immersion, roleplay, and similar... Their actions sure are very different from their words at times.

Still, glad we have something, just saddened it's largely a token effort.

Add GW2 to the list... while you buy the self-makeover kit with gems you can buy gems using gold so therefore you can change your hairstyle using gold. No talking to an NPC but at least you can change your hair using gold (technically).

True, though with GW2 (and I love the game) there is no actual world addition, e.g. an NPC associated with it you can talk to, that's why I left it out. But the point you made is very appropriate and true, and otherwise the mechanics of the GW2 makeover kits are very good.

petraeus1 · June 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Of course it was to be expected that it will be a crown store thing - it was effort do create these systems and this does not come for free.

Ultimately that is not necessary. There are tons of companies who are in the habit of not just making their game better (which ZOS also does 'for free'), but also giving out free content/cosmetic updates to their players. The first that come to mind are CDPR and CA with The Witcher 3 and Total War: Warhammer respectively. This is of course all a marketing ploy, but it works: customers feel appreciated, the company makes a gesture and receives the praise and they'll leave the impression of a good bunch on whose products people comfortably spend money.

I don't believe ZOS is in that bad a shape financially that it couldn't do that either, and while they don't have to, and while I understand they monetize it, it would have been a gesture of good will to the playerbase if they had not locked *all* of the new cosmetic systems behind a paywall. I'm curious whether this is a precedent for housing.

I'd personally keep the system as they presented it yesterday, but add barber shops in-game. This would add to the game world and gameplay. They could sell (facial) hair styles of vanilla for gold prices, and maybe a few barbers throughout the world would know a special (otherwise Crown Store) hairstyle that they'd sell for a high sum of gold.

If you want these and other special hairstyles in your collection for convenience: Crown Store. If you want to change anything else about your character: Crown Store. But this way at least a small part is not monetized, which would arguably give ZOS good press and adds to the game world at large.

Iluvrien · June 2016

Kendaric wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

I just wanted it to be a little more immersive. Like have actual barber shop in game that we go to for our haircuts. 20 year old WoW has it, why can't ESO?

^ This is basically how I feel about it. ^

It should have been an actual in-game shop, but I guess that ship has sailed. What happened to the immersive game we used to have?

The B2P conversion.

Any questions?

Sigma957 · June 2016

They might eventually add a barber type shop in game but for now it will be all through the crown shop. Personally I don't mind either way if I see something I want I will just buy it no probs and before any one says so it's my money, I work for it and I will spend it how I see fit

CherryCake · June 2016

Wait so does that mean, that I cant change my character`s face shape etc at all or with ingame money? Are you kidding me? I have to pay everytime with crowns once I want to change the way my character looks? This is downright ridiculous Im sorry. Soon they will implement that your character has to go to the bathroom and the only way to do that is by paying real money. I begin to think more and more that ZOS is nothing more than a money grabbing company that saw Elder Scrolls games sell a lot so they just tagged along.

clayandaudrey_ESO · June 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

... I called it.
Months ago, i called it.

Same here.

Kendaric · June 2016

Iluvrien wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

I just wanted it to be a little more immersive. Like have actual barber shop in game that we go to for our haircuts. 20 year old WoW has it, why can't ESO?

^ This is basically how I feel about it. ^

It should have been an actual in-game shop, but I guess that ship has sailed. What happened to the immersive game we used to have?

The B2P conversion.

Any questions?

Even after the B2p conversion it was relatively immersive. It's the last couple of updates that virtually ruin anything immersive (block icon, intrusive health bars, display of @names and now this...).

Van_0S · June 2016

Kendaric wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

I just wanted it to be a little more immersive. Like have actual barber shop in game that we go to for our haircuts. 20 year old WoW has it, why can't ESO?

^ This is basically how I feel about it. ^

It should have been an actual in-game shop, but I guess that ship has sailed. What happened to the immersive game we used to have?

The B2P conversion.

Any questions?

Even after the B2p conversion it was relatively immersive. It's the last couple of updates that virtually ruin anything immersive (block icon, intrusive health bars, display of @names and now this...).

Not to mention the poor performance and hideous lags and crashes!

Its nice to see sheep's that still support the wolf, even though the wolf uses them for dinner.

mike_de · June 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

I need more specifics before passing judgement. It's looking bleak, and not at all what I wanted to see.

ESO plus may be canceled depending on how they handle this.

So you'd cancel your subscription and lose the ability to freely dye costumes any color you have unlocked?

May I remind you, that you are paying 12-15$ month for month. You are paying an insane amount of money for only ONE game. And after new things come out they give YOU as constant paying customer, investing over min. 288$ into it, you get only the possibility to dye your hairs and costumes, in the whole barber shop?

I am only a short time ESO+ member, but as a customer from the beginning I would be mighty pissed about the way they screw me over with this. Only an opinion from a guy, who plays many games ... and many MMO.

MornaBaine · June 2016

Ah Paul Sage ... who told us Barber Shop was going to be awhile in the making well over a year ago because they "wanted to do it right" and they wanted it to be "a roleplaying thing." I guess "doing it right" now means "seeing how much we'll pay" and I guess the roleplaying/immersion is supposed to just be us talking about our new hairstyles.

I know, I know, Paul Sage is gone and I'm pretty confident

Gidorick wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Lord of the Rings Online
World Of Warcraft
EVE Online
The Secret World
etc etc etc..

All had such things integrated into the game. Such a shame development here didn't make the effort to more. But still glad we have something, albeit the bare minimum they could have done.

For a development that teams that talks so much about the importance immersion, roleplay, and similar... Their actions sure are very different from their words at times.

Still, glad we have something, just saddened it's largely a token effort.

I'm actually very disappointed that there isn't in-game immersive integration @Rev Rielle

TES deserves better than to have their MMO half-assed time and time again.

This is pretty much the last straw for me. I was holding out hope of ESO becoming, over time, a more immersive ELDER SCROLLS type experience.

I no longer feel like that will ever happen. I had faith in ZOS. I had faith that Oblivion alum @ZOS_RichLambert would steer this ship down the Elder Scrolls path. I thought the course could be corrected.

There have been so many good decisions recently with the Dark Brotherhood kill animations, the thieves guild hiding mechanics, the dye stamps for costumes, One Tamriel... but those are just mired in the poor decisions of the rest of the developments.

ESO, with every other decision, is becoming a "cash shop" action RPG.

Good luck ZOS. Good luck. I'll always be around the game to check out what you've cooked up but I'm all out of reasons to continue on this forum.

Hey... at least I was the first person to make it 10,000 comments. That's something, right?

Paul Sage was the one who said Barber Shop was taking so long because they wanted to "do it right" and make it part of the roleplaying experience. I think that notion left well before he did...when the game went B2P.

clayandaudrey_ESO · June 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Ah Paul Sage ... who told us Barber Shop was going to be awhile in the making well over a year ago because they "wanted to do it right" and they wanted it to be "a roleplaying thing." I guess "doing it right" now means "seeing how much we'll pay" and I guess the roleplaying/immersion is supposed to just be us talking about our new hairstyles.

I know, I know, Paul Sage is gone and I'm pretty confident

Gidorick wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Lord of the Rings Online
World Of Warcraft
EVE Online
The Secret World
etc etc etc..

All had such things integrated into the game. Such a shame development here didn't make the effort to more. But still glad we have something, albeit the bare minimum they could have done.

For a development that teams that talks so much about the importance immersion, roleplay, and similar... Their actions sure are very different from their words at times.

Still, glad we have something, just saddened it's largely a token effort.

I'm actually very disappointed that there isn't in-game immersive integration @Rev Rielle

TES deserves better than to have their MMO half-assed time and time again.

This is pretty much the last straw for me. I was holding out hope of ESO becoming, over time, a more immersive ELDER SCROLLS type experience.

I no longer feel like that will ever happen. I had faith in ZOS. I had faith that Oblivion alum @ZOS_RichLambert would steer this ship down the Elder Scrolls path. I thought the course could be corrected.

There have been so many good decisions recently with the Dark Brotherhood kill animations, the thieves guild hiding mechanics, the dye stamps for costumes, One Tamriel... but those are just mired in the poor decisions of the rest of the developments.

ESO, with every other decision, is becoming a "cash shop" action RPG.

Good luck ZOS. Good luck. I'll always be around the game to check out what you've cooked up but I'm all out of reasons to continue on this forum.

Hey... at least I was the first person to make it 10,000 comments. That's something, right?

Paul Sage was the one who said Barber Shop was taking so long because they wanted to "do it right" and make it part of the roleplaying experience. I think that notion left well before he did...when the game went B2P.

I'm sorry but after reading this I got this image in my head.

Silver_Strider · June 2016

Shame I'll never be able to change my Argonian's features thru a face sculptor NPC

I guess I'll just have to stick with my eccentric Artisan of choice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApKhyxCIx8M

makreth · June 2016

Justice31st wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Technically that's still a barber shop, just with a different price type.

And a lazier implementation. Nothing like World of Warcrafts barber shop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS0B9Isfe0c

wow...looking at those graphics now that game looks like a browser game...

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · June 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

... I called it.
Months ago, i called it.

Want a cookie? Here is one anyway

Elsonso · June 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

* Firstly, you can enter a barber shop in London, and sit down in the chair whilst you get your hair 'cut'. There you can change all the usual aspects; hair, make-up, visible jewellery etc.
* Secondly, you can go to a 'mad' plastic surgeon in New York. There you lie on an operating table and can get things like your gender/skin-type, facial details, etc etc changed. There are even a couple of missions associated with the surgeon you can begin whilst in there.

In both places, whilst you're getting the changes the NPCs talk to you, or to themselves about you, It's great. Both are seamlessly integrated into the game. And in both places you can use either game-shop currency, or in-game gold.

Anyways, it is what it is. It's not the end of the world or anything, just... well we've said it all already.

We can dream, but ZOS has not the desire to do stuff like this. We are going to see a lot less "in world" system implementations and more that favor "menu level" implementations. In world is too expensive for a game that needs to generate maximum ROI while it can. World designers need to be used, and they may require new models and textures for the world. NPCs will be needed, and that means writers and voice acting. It is just an insane cost compared to a system that just tweaks an existing UI and re-uses existing panels.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Ah Paul Sage ... who told us Barber Shop was going to be awhile in the making well over a year ago because they "wanted to do it right" and they wanted it to be "a roleplaying thing."

As near as I can tell, Sage never said this. It was said repeatedly about Housing, though. Link would be cool.

Van_0S · June 2016

makreth wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Technically that's still a barber shop, just with a different price type.

And a lazier implementation. Nothing like World of Warcrafts barber shop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS0B9Isfe0c

wow...looking at those graphics now that game looks like a browser game...

If Blizzard decides to make a WoW2 with enchanced graphics, then i bet all MMO will quickly lose players and $$$.

TequilaFire · June 2016

So if they hang a barber pole in the background would that make a barber shop?