UrQuan wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

bedlom wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Mat Firor said this fall for One Tamriel, at E3 and housing will be Q1 of next year.

They've (collectively) said a lot of things that got scrapped or pushed back. Remember when housing was to be this Fall? That was, what, like two or three weeks ago?

They never said housing was due in the fall lol
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And I didn't say they officially announced that to be the case, either. That was what was expected by us, the players, for quite some time leading up to the official announcement that it would not be this year.

UrQuan wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Mat Firor said this fall for One Tamriel, at E3 and housing will be Q1 of next year.

They've (collectively) said a lot of things that got scrapped or pushed back. Remember when housing was to be this Fall? That was, what, like two or three weeks ago?

Cite your source. The first time I ever heard them give so much as a tentative date for housing was at E3 just over a week ago, when they said it would be Q1 of next year.

I really don't care to go back and look for it. The point is still true. Take spellcrafting as another example. There are a multitude of things they aspire(d) to do that have yet to come to fruition or were scrapped altogether.

OK, so you just completely made it up. Got it.

Why exactly are you so salty? Is it really hard to accept the idea that players anticipated it to be this Fall? That was the speculation. You act as if I'm literally pulling ETAs out of my ass and passing them as official.

That's literally exactly what you did:

Autolycus wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Mat Firor said this fall for One Tamriel, at E3 and housing will be Q1 of next year.

They've (collectively) said a lot of things that got scrapped or pushed back. Remember when housing was to be this Fall? That was, what, like two or three weeks ago?

Would you prefer if I edit that post to say this instead:

Autolycus wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Mat Firor said this fall for One Tamriel, at E3 and housing will be Q1 of next year.

They've (collectively) said a lot of things that got scrapped or pushed back. Remember when we thought housing was to be this Fall? That was, what, like two or three weeks ago?

If I do that, would you consider being on-topic? This little debate is totally pointless, you do realize that, right? Who cares? I made it right by correcting myself in a later post. You did not reciprocate that effort at all, as you still haven't addressed the underlying point in my post. Instead you continue to argue over something that is completely irrelevant.

"Omg he said there is a possibility that things will get pushed back! Light the torches, grab your pitchforks!"

Bring in the clownycus.

Autolycus wrote: »

Kharnis wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

I know as much/little as the next guy/gal around here, but I don't expect to see anything related to One Tamriel until at least Q1 of 2017. Any sooner seems drastically unrealistic to me, and logic suggests that One Tamriel and player housing might go hand-in-hand in terms of implementation.

No, I'd say that they'd want to have One Tamriel out before housing, just so they have the system in place to allow someone to have a home anywhere they like. It'll be out before Q1.

That being said, if the Zenimax devs are anything like the coders and engineers I know through a friend of mine (who are working on things that aren't anywhere near as complex as an MMO), they probably have One Tamriel scheduled for release in September. If they get it out by November, they'll consider it acceptable, but barely. If they get it out by early October, they'll high five each other for being on time. And if they get it out by September, they'll wonder what they may have missed, and be doing a lot of coffee drinking and cigarette smoking while they wait to see if anything raises its ugly head to bite them, all while praying they actually managed to do it properly with no hidden problems in the code so all their worrying will be for nothing.

I respectfully disagree. I'm not certain your experience with other coders and engineers is in any way indicative of how ZOS's teams will pursue the goal. MMOs are not easily benchmarked against other genres, for a multitude of reasons, but this is more true for ESO even when compared to other MMOs, considering how unique it is.

As it stands right now, anyone can have a house anywhere they want already. The only variable in question is whether or not sub-50 characters will afford this luxury without One Tamriel. In that respect, I can agree with you. But there are other factors for consideration on this topic, such as whether or not housing is available from level 1. Will ZOS deem is appropriate to offer housing to a player who has not experienced any of the lore? Will it be allowed for those upon getting at least one character to 50? Will we buy it with crowns, or with in-game currency? Among other factors, these all directly impact both the timing and the underlying design of the One Tamriel system.

Despite this concept, however, I still consider it very unlikely that something which has been publicly known for only a week will take precedence over something that's been in the design process for over a year already. No matter which comes first, they will both have a drastic impact on each other, according to me. It is from this logic that stems the idea that they may come together.

But as I said, I know as much as the next guy/gal on this topic. It's all purely speculation at this point, and highly subjective.

You are operating under a number of misconceptions. As it stands right now, no one can have a house anywhere they want already. Housing isn't in the game yet. There is no mechanic to allow housing. While you're correct that we don't know what the specifics of housing will be, there is no business decision that would justify holding off housing for people who haven't reached level 50, or who has "not experienced any of the lore" (which is an especially weak argument, since "experiencing the lore" is something you're going to have to come up with an acceptable "lore level" and then justification for that "level"). As it stands now (to use your words), housing is simply not possible for anyone, and would have to be introduced to the game by altering the code to allow for it.

The simplest solution to allowing anyone to have a house anywhere is to allow the players' characters to go anywhere. Which is what One Tamriel will do. Can they introduce both One Tamriel and housing at the same time? Sure, but why would they want to? Both will involve complex coding, and if they have a problem with One Tamriel after it launches, they will then have a problem with housing at the same time. This will result in two major contents being denied to players, which will irk a great many of their populace. This is not what they want. It will be infinitely easier for the devs to work on, then introduce, One Tamriel first, iron out any wrinkles and squash any bugs that always arise with complex systems, and then introduce housing than it would be to introduce both at the same time, and try to figure out which new system failed, why it failed, and how that failure could be fixed that won't break both systems further.

As for how unlikely it is that something we've "publicly known for only a week will take precedence," I'll counter that what we publicly know is largely, if not completely, irrelevant. One Tamriel has been in the works for a long time now. But if what is publicly known is what takes precedence, then I should point out that One Tamriel has been known longer than housing. We may have been operating under rumours, and speculation, but that's our problem, not the devs'. Housing was only publicly announced after the One Tamriel announcement.

I'm OK with them adding a fairly thin DLC this time, considering how major One Tamriel is going to be. Really looking forward to that!