You are jumping the gun. Next balance changes are still 2-4 months away.

next update: group size limited to 16 in cyrodil
all aoes become like proxy det and scale up the more people they hit

Sry lag is everywhere

Multiplicative stacking of snares.

Malubeth granting Major Mending.

Impen back in Undaunted loot tables.

Those are my big 3.

diminishing strength on repeated immobilizes (roots). no immunity like against hard CC but shorter root duration for subsequent roots leqading to almost-immunity against root spam

rezz sickness (not worth AP = almost no impact in a fight)

IC population doesn't count towards campaign + reduced overall players per campaign. zergs of 50+ are already punished a lot AP-wise. Still, they can take over most of the map if their faction has the largest numbers and still enough to deal with smaller enemy groups trying to cause havoc elsewhere. if this wasn't the case, gorups of 50+ would actually make them lose more keeps than take. the biggest reason though: make all campaigns playable. lag has really gotten better, but there still no fun like when all factions have 3 bars at most.

lower heal from vigor or much higher cost. it is so far superior compared to rapid/mutagen and heals much more than other short-timed heals, especially instant or damage shields. keeping vigor up like a normal buff is easy to sustain stamina-wise and yet heals stamina builds sooo much. rally, on the other hand, has to be used with care and can be very strong but not just spammed

malubeth buff == major mending. no further stacking.

shorter negate duration (CC immunity + breakable is crap, imho. especially if a group runs immovable pots. I really like that negates kill stacked balls so well. you can actually 5v15+ again going against organized groups of bad players now whereas before you'd only kill large masses of unorganized players)

addition of / modification for un-dodgeable skills. shuffle and dodge roles are extremely strong and don't really have to be timed to well. sure, dodging a dangerous projectile is great. but just rolling as a reflex whenever there's incoming damage, is weird. this is also why some peopel still cry about RD - it's one of the VERY few skills that really punish this reflex that almost everyone has developed but that takes pretty little skill

all players on AD are now granted a sixth ability on their bar.
turns out its actually bombard and is auto spammed whenever they are in cyrodil

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

There are still a handful of bugs and tweaks to be made (as with any major MMO), but overall I think combat after DB patch feels the best it's had in a longtime generally speaking in terms of more build options feeling on equal footing.

Also I am really experiencing little to no lag in pop locked campaigns. Maybe it took longer than most would have liked, but ZOS kept their word on the quest to improve performance. Surely I don't think anyone is experiencing to lag and screen freezing from last Fall/Winter.

The lag last night was pretty epic.

Zheg wrote: »

We've had the permaroot/snare meta since TG because rapids were nerfed. We were given unbreakable negates with zero input from players. Like with every other major problem with combat in the game, we have no clue whether or not @Wrobel actually thinks these things are problems, are over-performing, or if there's something else coming down the pipe that will be just as bad. Mist form and forward momentum in DB do help, but not enough. The root problem once rapids was nerfed was never addressed. What's planned, and when, if anything for these two topics? Talk. To. Us. Do you actually think these things are problems? Do players need to convince you what the meta is like, do we need to help you brainstorm suggested fixes? Anything?

For permaroot/snare, I'd like to see:

• upon casting a buff or heal you will lose rapid maneuvers after 2 seconds. Casting any damage ability will remove it immediately like before

For negates, I'd like to see:

• A full reversion on the CC break. Our group stopped running banners, novas, veils because they just get instantly negated. Our negates get instantly negated, and then every negate becomes invisible. Negate applies the silence every ~half second as a debuff so even if you've left the negate or had it counter negated, you're still silenced and think you're inside a negate. You don't know for sure because negates are INVISIBLE FFS. Get a CC on the sorc and you can get a mobile negate that follows the caster because reasons. The pinnacle ultimate for all of the other classes have been rendered near-useless in this meta, and that's something even our normally late-to-the-party combat team should be able to see is not balanced well. Not only does negate outclass every other class ground-based ultimate, it makes them useless.

FWIW: if the permaroot / snare was fixed negates wouldn't be such a problem. You sound like theres 100 sorcs running around in Cyrodil spamming negates like whoa. This is not 1.3

Zheg wrote: »

Honestly, even when I'm solo or in a small group, if you go near any fight you're bombarded nonstop.

And sieged.

zyk wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

People didn't like to be farmed by ball groups, but do they really enjoy seeing alliance v alliance fights better? Really?

This is why competitive balance is important. Players come in all shapes and sizes. The unfortunate truth is that due to different constraints, some players will never be competitive against top tier groups and guilds.

Few people are going to accept playing a game in which they lose in all of the time, so the choice for many is to zerg up or PVE.

I believe half the problem with player consolidation would be solved if there were mechanisms to better right-size combat.

We are nearing the end of Ze Olde Top Teir guilds anyways. There were more top EP guilds on Thornblade than there are on all of NA PC now. The problem will likely sort itself out that way

I like seeing ball groups of healers getting negated. It is a beautiful thing.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I like seeing ball groups of healers getting negated. It is a beautiful thing.

Surely you understand that zergs of negates bombarding outnumbered groups is detrimental to the game, yes? Organized groups could outmaneuver large, but clunky overzergs and eventually bomb them in the right place and time for a perfect, beautiful wipe. Now, the giant zergs bombard and negate the organized raids, neutralizing nearly all of their maneuverability, then swarm them until they die. In the event that they fail, they can spam camps until they succeed.

New meta, bad meta. Numerical superiority is its own advantage and doesn't require further mechanical assistance from the developers. But, whether intentionally or incidentally, that is what is happening. Perhaps the developer is too focused on individual potency and power parity instead of group dynamics in their group based RPG?