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Why dueling are irrelavant
Cogo
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Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
"My build? Improvise, overcome and adapt!"
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
"My build? Improvise, overcome and adapt!"
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Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In all seriousness though, there is no greater test of one's individual mechanics than a proper duel against a skilled opponent.
Only for some setups, and that's my biggest gripe with duels.
Run a DoT build against a Malubeth user, face someone who respecs / changes gear before a duel, and get to enjoy fighting tanky magplars / saptanks and you'll realize you can't even "win" unless you literally sacrifice everything to actually have a chance to kill your opponent. Or play a vamp stamblade / ranged magblade against a mag DK (Rest In Pepperoni).
I had my share of 20 minutes duels ending in a draw, or just so vastly one-sided fights that those were completely irrelevant, so, yes, there are interesting duels, but they are definitely not the only way to measure how good a player is.PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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✭Duels prove nothing in this game it is not balanced for it to many broken game mechanics and cheaters also, but if that is what helps you sleep at night rock on.12 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭In all seriousness though, there is no greater test of one's individual mechanics than a proper duel against a skilled opponent.
That's like saying the UFC champion would be the world's best combat soldier. Dueling surely has it's place, but the biggest skill in Cyrodill is still battlefield awareness.
Side note, I generally agree with 90% of your posts and the fact that I've argued with you on a few separate topics lately (even if you didn't realize it) is not me trolling. Just an honestly different view point.
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Khyras✭✭✭Game that has PvP but no implemented dueling feature is a joke.Also, dueling is a *** of fun.1 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭I love dueling, don't get me wrong, but there are way too many builds that counter each other for a duel to be fair. Some class builds will ALWAYS pull ahead of others simply because of mechanics (not skill omg for real??).
Open world PvP is the best indicator of skill I think. Takes a lot more situational awareness and pushes your build to it's limit as some skills may not work against certain enemies etc.6 -
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✭✭✭✭Yeah I think that skill is shown in a variety of ways, and dueling the exact same build that you run (stam temp on stam temp, for example) could show skill, but I bet I could put up a decent fight against people way better than me while they are on their magicka sorc and I am on a magiknight.
Or get me a dodge roll spammer, I'll Jesus beam through it xP1 -
Ser Lobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭I want dueling, but have some caveats.
First, if players initiate or carry a duel inside a city or any of this buildings, they should incur a fine and possible get arrested or attacked by the guards. 'Disrupting the peace' fine (which I feel should also be applied to repeatedly performing abilities or letting your pets run loose).
Secondly, it should be placed in a tooltip when a duel starts, and also on every other load screen, and in big blaring letters on pretty much any place you can, that dueling in no way represents the balance of the game, nor the capabilities of a particular class or loadout. Because it's common sense, but that's ain't common. And idiots will be here the day of launch talking about how they get *** on their healer-focused templar in every single fight.
Third, 'accept duel requests' should be off by default.Ruze Aulus. Mayor of Dhalmora. Archer, hunter, assassin. Nightblade.
Gral. Mountain Terror. Barbarian, marauder, murderer. Nightblade.
Na'Djin. Knight-Blade. Knight, vanguard, defender. Nightblade.
XBOX NARuze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.
He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.
This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.0 -
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This proves nothing in ESO world. Look all the zergbads around watching the fight and they flee when the guy in blacks die.
In real ESO world they would never allow that duel in first place. They would zerg down both of those duelers with sieges and teabag on their corpses.
Moral of this scene only proves that; Indiana Jones films =/= ESOEdited by Soris on June 17, 2016 3:22PMWelkynd [Templar/AD/EU]0 -
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I thought it was going to be the scene where he duels with the big German guy who gets cut to ribbons from the airplane propeller. That duel has relevance to thinking/situational awareness and Indiana Jones.
I agree with @KenaPKK and would love to duel same alliance guildmates with my main. I also see it as a way to help prepare people for the realities in Cyrodiil since PvE and the siege training mission hardly serve as any real boot camp for PvP differences.Fear is the Mindkiller1 -
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✭✭In all seriousness though, there is no greater test of one's individual mechanics than a proper duel against a skilled opponent.
Only for some setups, and that's my biggest gripe with duels.
Run a DoT build against a Malubeth user, face someone who respecs / changes gear before a duel, and get to enjoy fighting tanky magplars / saptanks and you'll realize you can't even "win" unless you literally sacrifice everything to actually have a chance to kill your opponent. Or play a vamp stamblade / ranged magblade against a mag DK (Rest In Pepperoni).
I had my share of 20 minutes duels ending in a draw, or just so vastly one-sided fights that those were completely irrelevant, so, yes, there are interesting duels, but they are definitely not the only way to measure how good a player is.
I didn't say dueling is the best test of a build. The game isn't balanced around dueling, so not every item set or build will be appropriate for duels. You test builds by playing in the conditions for which you design them. However, I will say that for open world PvP, if your build can't duel, you won't do well outside of a group (which may be the intention, i.e. healers and tanks and disruptors).0 -
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No, the game isn't balanced around duels or smallscale combat at the moment, but it'll have to be before they introduce Arenas/BGs (which are coming).Edited by DDuke on June 17, 2016 7:10PM2 -
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✭Can't wait to run my near invincible blazing tank into a BG and just sit on a flag while everyone either dies by my shield, or ranges me, allowing me to take the flag...oh wait that already happens0 -
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✭This game is too focused on group play in PVP at this point. Dueling proves nothing and only servers as an epeen stroke. Being in a small group and outplaying a larger group shows better awareness and skill these days.Cinn #SorcLivesMatter
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✭✭Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »This game is too focused on group play in PVP at this point. Dueling proves nothing and only servers as an epeen stroke. Being in a small group and outplaying a larger group shows better awareness and skill these days.
xvX shows awareness and skill and coordination among other things. Dueling shows mechanics and skill and reflexes and ability to read one's opponent among other things. They're both relevant.
Edit: Why is everyone so resistant to solo play and dueling these days? It's not about epeen. It's about individual self-sufficiency and skill when outnumbered or when faced by a highly skilled opponent. To say that dueling is about epeen is to say boxing is about epeen. No, boxing is a sport. People like to box or watch boxing because it's enjoyable. Same for dueling.Edited by KenaPKK on June 18, 2016 8:07AM1 -
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✭✭No, the game isn't balanced around duels or smallscale combat at the moment, but it'll have to be before they introduce Arenas/BGs (which are coming).
If small group versus small group arenas are introduced, we will have a problem. Either the game will not be balanced around them, in which case a particular group composition -- likely 4 magicka templars -- will become dominant to the point of requiring teams to play it in order to compete... Or the game will be balanced around them, in which case you end up with a MOBA. If you want Arenas this badly, just go play League of Legends. It's a way better MOBA than ESO arenas would ever be.0 -
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I'm not resistant to solo play. I go out solo frequently on all of my characters. It is very obvious at this point that the game is being balanced around group play, so that is where skill will come into play. How you support your team and work together to focus down targets in outnumbered fights.Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »This game is too focused on group play in PVP at this point. Dueling proves nothing and only servers as an epeen stroke. Being in a small group and outplaying a larger group shows better awareness and skill these days.
xvX shows awareness and skill and coordination among other things. Dueling shows mechanics and skill and reflexes and ability to read one's opponent among other things. They're both relevant.
Edit: Why is everyone so resistant to solo play and dueling these days? It's not about epeen. It's about individual self-sufficiency and skill when outnumbered or when faced by a highly skilled opponent. To say that dueling is about epeen is to say boxing is about epeen. No, boxing is a sport. People like to box or watch boxing because it's enjoyable. Same for dueling.
I've done my share of dueling, won my share of duels, and had my share of stalemates. The fights are long and boring pot spams. Everyone puts together skills based on the other person's class. I've always gone in with my open world build and not even changed CP around.
I just don't have a positive opinion of dueling and duelers in general in this game. Though some of the best rage tells I've gotten have been from them.Cinn #SorcLivesMatter
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Cinnamonspiderdreams - Sorcerer EP rank 24
Synaris Astarte - Templar DC rank 24
Cinnamon Spider - Nightblade AD
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Jaybe_Mawfaka✭✭✭✭✭Dont wanna dissapoint all the zergers in this thread but actually devs mentioned once that pvp is balanced around 1v1
That's why it is even more hilarious than it should be because duels between skilled players are pretty much endless since like 1.74 -
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✭I find planned duels boring.
On the other hand...
There's nothing like an unexpected encounter in Cyrodill...
Getting off your horse as fast as you can...
Checking your environment for zergs...
Giving it all you can with your open-world gear and your open-world skills...
Nothing beats this.
I got such incredible adrenalin rushes with RvR duels...
Nothing beats this, just nothing
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✭Why the hell you want dueling, even half-brained monkey can see they made all these changes for VMA. PVPers are on passenger seat.Edited by Sausage on June 18, 2016 1:32PM0 -
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pvp: again one-shotted by a ganker nb from stealth, snare snare, 3 seconds snare, hit hit hit, finisher, dead
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pvp: again one-shotted by a ganker nb from stealth, snare snare, 3 seconds snare, hit hit hit, finisher, dead
Do you play this game? Theres Detect Invisibility potions.
NB: dmg, dmg, hide, hide, dmg, hide dmg, dead = Bad player
Templar/Dk: dmg, dmg, dmg, heal, heal, heal, heal, dmg, dead = Excellent player.
Sorc: Teleport, shield, teleport, dmg, dmg, teleport, shield, dmg, dmg, dead = Super player.Edited by Sausage on June 18, 2016 2:20PM1 -
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✭Well ogur you as a zergling would say that wouldnt you.
Yeah I zerg in secret! You got me!
I ran out of yellows to oil!Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
"My build? Improvise, overcome and adapt!"0
