Growing tired of Perma-Root.

WillhelmBlack · June 2016

@Wrobel are there any plans to grant some sort of immunity after using dodge roll/purify/purge to get yourself unrooted?

It's seriously affecting the enjoyment of PvP. Its the reason you can't move whilst a zerg is coming at you and it should have a cooldown of 3 seconds.

Master_Kas · June 2016

Elder snares online: roots unlimited

Bashev · June 2016

Bombard, wall of elements and encase are the big issue. Their range is too large.

WillhelmBlack · June 2016

Bashev wrote: »

Bombard, wall of elements and encase are the big issue. Their range is too large.

I can agree with that.

Armitas · June 2016

I wonder how many of our current bombard spammers were fighting for talons to be nerfed at release. I really hope these range roots dont get yalons nerfed. Talons is risk reward due to its pbaoe, bombard is just reward due to its safe distance.

Bashev · June 2016

Armitas wrote: »

I wonder how many of our current bombard spammers were fighting for talons to be nerfed at release. I really hope these range roots dont get yalons nerfed. Talons is risk reward due to its pbaoe, bombard is just reward due to its safe distance.

How much more they can nerf talons? Make the radius 2.5m? Or make it single target instead of AoE

Leandor · June 2016

The shuffle snare immunity should be given to purge/purifying. Purge once, be able to move for 2/2.5/3/3.5 seconds.

Zheg · June 2016

The real question is whether you've grown tired of permaroot inside unbreakable negates?

No? What about permaroots inside invisible unbreakable negates? xD

Bashev · June 2016

Zheg wrote: »

The real question is whether you've grown tired of permaroot inside unbreakable negates?

No? What about permaroots inside invisible unbreakable negates? xD

Invisible negate was a bad joke from the devs. Somebody probably said "Hey guys lets make some fun in Cyro, you know the lag is real and sometimes skill animations do not render, what do you think if we make a skill that silence you and it cannot be broken if you stay in the red circle. But all of you know that they will not see the red cercle

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Asgari · June 2016

Encase and talons are not an issue, however bombard is. Bombard needs like a .3 cast time in order to reduce the spam from it by the large groups. Its far too easy to use and soft cc many targets without having to be in the actual fight.

WillhelmBlack · June 2016

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Encase and talons are not an issue, however bombard is. Bombard needs like a .3 cast time in order to reduce the spam from it by the large groups. Its far too easy to use and soft cc many targets without having to be in the actual fight.

Should it not be harsher, same as Dark Flare with self snare whilst casting?

Nilmot · June 2016

Zheg wrote: »

The real question is whether you've grown tired of permaroot inside unbreakable negates?

No? What about permaroots inside invisible unbreakable negates? xD

Once your permaroot breaks, gonna have you permasnared in moving invisible unbreakable negates.

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

Yep it's a mess . I have a video of our guild rolling a few good guilds and after editing seen how many negates and roots were in there , decided not to even post it . We were patting ourselves on the back pretty hard that night too . It's just embarrassing to post such nonsense when you can clearly see Wrobel beat everyone for Us .

Crispen_Longbow · June 2016

Zheg wrote: »

The real question is whether you've grown tired of permaroot inside unbreakable negates?

No? What about permaroots inside invisible unbreakable negates? xD

LOL

Go check out the purge bug thread.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/272468/bug-purge-always-hitting-same-six#latest

I call dibs on one of the first 6 spots in our groups going forward!

Zheg · June 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Yep it's a mess . I have a video of our guild rolling a few good guilds and after editing seen how many negates and roots were in there , decided not to even post it . We were patting ourselves on the back pretty hard that night too . It's just embarrassing to post such nonsense when you can clearly see Wrobel beat everyone for Us .

I dont usually get flustered when leading, but the other night we fought a group and dropped two negates of our own (one as a counter). We actually had sound for once in pvp and I heard like 8 negate animation sounds in 2-3 seconds. I think my calls went something along the lines of "counter negate on me! Bad negate again, another - blarb blurb bleb, eff, what the eff, so many negates, waiiii"

Part of the other problem with negates is that the silence is applied repeatedly as a debuff so it has ~ a 1 sec duration even after you've completely left the negate. The combo of negate and bombard spam is too much and needs adjusting. At times it's more effective than prox bombs, which says a lot.

caeliusstarbreaker · June 2016

Not that I believe the CC immunity timer is actually exists now, but there should probably be a smaller soft CC immunity timer.

Snares should apply like every other buff/debuff system in the game, especially since the nerf to rapids. Game is entirely too bogged down right now.
Major snare.... For ground targeted abilities should be 40% movement speed
Minor snare... For actually enemy targeted abilities 20% movement speed ability.

This puts major snares just above major expedition and minor snares just above minor expedition. So the game isn't 100% snare root root root snare root root.

Kilandros · June 2016

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Encase and talons are not an issue, however bombard is. Bombard needs like a .3 cast time in order to reduce the spam from it by the large groups. Its far too easy to use and soft cc many targets without having to be in the actual fight.

This. Both talons and encase are balanced in terms of risk v. reward because you need to within melee range to use them. Bombard, on the other hand, is basically risk free, applies a stackable root AND snare, and does significant damage.

Zyle · June 2016

You know bombard needs some tweaking when: You focus down a bombard spammer over a healer first.

DisgracefulMind · June 2016

Plz no moar bombard D;

Defilted · June 2016

If I cannot root over and over again and dots or inner light how am I supposed to drain the stamina of the NB that just keep disappearing and teleport striking me? Not to mention that any other attack I throw at a NB is dodged at a rate of probably 40 to 50%.

If this class was immune to my roots for any time period I might as well just run when I see them.

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Zyle · June 2016

Defilted wrote: »

If I cannot root over and over again and dots or inner light how am I supposed to drain the stamina of the NB that just keep disappearing and teleport striking me? Not to mention that any other attack I throw at a NB is dodged at a rate of probably 40 to 50%.

If this class was immune to my roots for any time period I might as well just run when I see them.

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You could try killing them.

DKsUnite · June 2016

its really bombard thats the problem. Bowtards are back and its not snipe this time =.=

Zheg · June 2016

Zyle wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

If I cannot root over and over again and dots or inner light how am I supposed to drain the stamina of the NB that just keep disappearing and teleport striking me? Not to mention that any other attack I throw at a NB is dodged at a rate of probably 40 to 50%.

If this class was immune to my roots for any time period I might as well just run when I see them.

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You could try killing them.

If the strategy is to spam bombard in a 1v1, this is already a lost cause.

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

Zheg wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Yep it's a mess . I have a video of our guild rolling a few good guilds and after editing seen how many negates and roots were in there , decided not to even post it . We were patting ourselves on the back pretty hard that night too . It's just embarrassing to post such nonsense when you can clearly see Wrobel beat everyone for Us .

I dont usually get flustered when leading, but the other night we fought a group and dropped two negates of our own (one as a counter). We actually had sound for once in pvp and I heard like 8 negate animation sounds in 2-3 seconds. I think my calls went something along the lines of "counter negate on me! Bad negate again, another - blarb blurb bleb, eff, what the eff, so many negates, waiiii"

Part of the other problem with negates is that the silence is applied repeatedly as a debuff so it has ~ a 1 sec duration even after you've completely left the negate. The combo of negate and bombard spam is too much and needs adjusting. At times it's more effective than prox bombs, which says a lot.

Exactly this ^

Joy_Division · June 2016

Bombard is the most frustrating skill in the game. A spammable ranged area attack that roots, offers zero immunity and does solid damage is just terrible design.

And the sound it makes is most infuriating.

RinaldoGandolphi · June 2016

I gave up trying to get Bombard fixed or changed. You can see many posts about it on the PTS forums over the last 6 months.

Add it to the other reasons I stopped logging...not being able to move at all in Cyrodiil is infuriating and just adds to the overall frustration level players already deal with

Defilted · June 2016

Zyle wrote: »

You know bombard needs some tweaking when: You focus down a bombard spammer over a healer first.

CRAP! why did I not think of this!

bardx86 · June 2016

Super frustrating. You should differently get some kind of immunity after breaking root.

DDuke · June 2016

To be honest, roots are mostly a problem when you're outnumbered. In 1v1/1vX, I can see how multiple builds would just melt without them.

The main benefactor of a root immunity would be the magicka templar, which is already easily the strongest 1v1 class in Dark Brotherhood patch.

For those reasons I really cant get behind a root immunity of any kind.

What I'd like to see though is the ability to turn while rooted. Being unable to turn around & face your enemies is ridiculous and feels clunky.

And BGs/Arenas - as the main problem is getting zerged.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2016

Mist form. Embrace it.

Zheg · June 2016

DDuke wrote: »

To be honest, roots are mostly a problem when you're outnumbered. In 1v1/1vX, I can see how multiple builds would just melt without them.

The main benefactor of a root immunity would be the magicka templar, which is already easily the strongest 1v1 class in Dark Brotherhood patch.

For those reasons I really cant get behind a root immunity of any kind.

What I'd like to see though is the ability to turn while rooted. Being unable to turn around & face your enemies is ridiculous and feels clunky.

And BGs/Arenas - as the main problem is getting zerged.

Mag DK are in the same boat. Both suffered through the permaroot and snare meta of TG. Mist form helps a bunch in DB but ultimately it's just a superficial band-aid fix to a huge problem that was never adequately addressed.

Also, 1v1 strongest contenders would go to stam IMO, not magicka.