"PvEers" get 7 times more Undaunted chests than "PvPers" get of Undaunted vendors.

KenaPKK · June 2016

And that is per character. We get one vendor per week period where they get one key per day per character.

And it's a coin toss as to whether our vendor will sell a shoulder or a helm each week.

So tell me again why Impenetrable was removed from the Undaunted chest loot table @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Edit: I heard that they may have taken impen out of the loot tables for the dungeon helm drops too. Is this true????? Are we just not supposed to be able to get gear now?

Ackwalan · June 2016

Are you saying, PvPer's aren't allowed to do the undaunted quests?

kuro-dono · June 2016

he is saying that hardcore+elite pvp:ers need impenetrable that and impenetrable this to stay "competive"
and they dont wanna find infused or mundus or prosperous in their item.

KenaPKK · June 2016

Ackwalan wrote: »

Are you saying, PvPer's aren't allowed to do the undaunted quests?

PvPers use impen on everything. It's basically mandatory with few exceptions.

K4RMA · June 2016

#bringbackdynamicultigen

Turelus · June 2016

Remove item binding, remove the dumb NPC selling PvE items, bring back the old cross PvE/PvP trade from before undaunted happened.

Stop pushing the two communities apart and start working on your launch goals of keeping them together trading and helping one another in various ways.

KenaPKK · June 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Remove item binding, remove the dumb NPC selling PvE items, bring back the old cross PvE/PvP trade from before undaunted happened.

Stop pushing the two communities apart and start working on your launch goals of keeping them together trading and helping one another in various ways.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2016

Impenetrable is gargage. I'm a "hardcore" PVPer. Do you know what my crit resistance is? 68, because I have 1 CP into it.

90% of the time the best defense is a good offense. I run all infused and melt faces. I one shot an Emp last week.

This, of course, is where someone will tell me that whatever example I use isn't a good judge of how good you are at PVP, so I'll just reiterate that you don't need impenetrable to survive and in the right hands infused can be great.

Wollust · June 2016

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Impenetrable is gargage. I'm a "hardcore" PVPer. Do you know what my crit resistance is? 68, because I have 1 CP into it.

90% of the time the best defense is a good offense. I run all infused and melt faces. I one shot an Emp last week.

This, of course, is where someone will tell me that whatever example I use isn't a good judge of how good you are at PVP, so I'll just reiterate that you don't need impenetrable to survive and in the right hands infused can be great.

Oh nice to meet you. People like you are the ones that give me ridiculously high crits on my stamblade. Always happy to see the big numbers. Keep it going please.

DannyLV702 · June 2016

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Impenetrable is gargage. I'm a "hardcore" PVPer. Do you know what my crit resistance is? 68, because I have 1 CP into it.

90% of the time the best defense is a good offense. I run all infused and melt faces. I one shot an Emp last week.

This, of course, is where someone will tell me that whatever example I use isn't a good judge of how good you are at PVP, so I'll just reiterate that you don't need impenetrable to survive and in the right hands infused can be great.

Maybe you don't run alone

Hektik_V · June 2016

This is a bit of an exaggeration in the sense that, yes PvE'ers will acquire more shoulders and helms per week. However, the number of available traits is drastically larger. Thus your chances of getting the piece you want is left to RNG whereas we are guaranteed best in slot.

deathbyk1te · June 2016

Hektik_V wrote: »

This is a bit of an exaggeration in the sense that, yes PvE'ers will acquire more shoulders and helms per week. However, the number of available traits is drastically larger. Thus your chances of getting the piece you want is left to RNG whereas we are guaranteed best in slot.

This. I run pledges pretty much every day. Want to know the trait I see the most dropped for me? Prosperous and Well-fitted. I was super happy to get a medium divines Bloodspawn helm this last time I ran Spindleclutch for the pledge. I'd been looking for MONTHS for that helm. So yes, you get more chances at getting a helm if you do it every day, but RNG is still a ***. Much more so now that they added more garbage traits to the drop chance.

Cuyler · June 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Remove item binding, remove the dumb NPC selling PvE items, bring back the old cross PvE/PvP trade from before undaunted happened.

Stop pushing the two communities apart and start working on your launch goals of keeping them together trading and helping one another in various ways.

So much this^

Sandman929 · June 2016

Impen is really the flavor of the month isn't it? Suddenly, everyone MUST have it on everything, how did we ever live before this new "meta"?

Lyar09 · June 2016

Sandman929 wrote: »

Impen is really the flavor of the month isn't it? Suddenly, everyone MUST have it on everything, how did we ever live before this new "meta"?

People have been running impen since 1.6 when damage was insane. It's not a "new meta".

Sandman929 · June 2016

Lyar09 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Impen is really the flavor of the month isn't it? Suddenly, everyone MUST have it on everything, how did we ever live before this new "meta"?

People have been running impen since 1.6 when damage was insane. It's not a "new meta".

All the way since those olden times?

Sandman929 · June 2016

Seems like it's only the last month or so where you can't have a conversation about a build without someone mentioning that anything but Impen is garbage.

Ghostbane · June 2016

deathbyk1te wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

This is a bit of an exaggeration in the sense that, yes PvE'ers will acquire more shoulders and helms per week. However, the number of available traits is drastically larger. Thus your chances of getting the piece you want is left to RNG whereas we are guaranteed best in slot.

This. I run pledges pretty much every day. Want to know the trait I see the most dropped for me? Prosperous and Well-fitted. I was super happy to get a medium divines Bloodspawn helm this last time I ran Spindleclutch for the pledge. I'd been looking for MONTHS for that helm. So yes, you get more chances at getting a helm if you do it every day, but RNG is still a ***. Much more so now that they added more garbage traits to the drop chance.

I got a sturdy Malubeth helm the other day, cried like baby with joy.

Erondil · June 2016

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Impenetrable is gargage. I'm a "hardcore" PVPer. Do you know what my crit resistance is? 68, because I have 1 CP into it.

90% of the time the best defense is a good offense. I run all infused and melt faces. I one shot an Emp last week.

This, of course, is where someone will tell me that whatever example I use isn't a good judge of how good you are at PVP, so I'll just reiterate that you don't need impenetrable to survive and in the right hands infused can be great.

So its someone thinking all infused is the way to go for good offense that claims impenetrable to be total garbage.
Thanks for confirming my thoughts. Impen is strong in PvP, and certainly better than full infused.

Erondil · June 2016

Lyar09 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Impen is really the flavor of the month isn't it? Suddenly, everyone MUST have it on everything, how did we ever live before this new "meta"?

People have been running impen since 1.6 when damage was insane. It's not a "new meta".

Maybe we didn't play the same 1.6 but on EU 1.6 was full nirn unless you were wearing dropped and then it was infused/divines. Everybody was running full impen from 1.0 to 1.5 though, when it was reducing crit chances (and not crit damage). From my experience impen became popular again in 1.7 after nirn got nerfed to nothing.

Soulac · June 2016

Erondil wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Impen is really the flavor of the month isn't it? Suddenly, everyone MUST have it on everything, how did we ever live before this new "meta"?

People have been running impen since 1.6 when damage was insane. It's not a "new meta".

Maybe we didn't play the same 1.6 but on EU 1.6 was full nirn unless you were wearing dropped and then it was infused/divines. Everybody was running full impen from 1.0 to 1.5 though, when it was reducing crit chances (and not crit damage). From my experience impen became popular again in 1.7 after nirn got nerfed to nothing.

Correct baguette.

zyk · June 2016

Lyar09 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Impen is really the flavor of the month isn't it? Suddenly, everyone MUST have it on everything, how did we ever live before this new "meta"?

People have been running impen since 1.6 when damage was insane. It's not a "new meta".

1.6? Way before then. Impen was the way to go when I started PVP in 1.3.

In 1.6 and 2.0, I would say nirnhoned was more popular than impen.

holosoul · June 2016

there was a time when stacking nirn was the 'meta' because it was OP as !@#$

MichYodias · June 2016

zyk wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Impen is really the flavor of the month isn't it? Suddenly, everyone MUST have it on everything, how did we ever live before this new "meta"?

People have been running impen since 1.6 when damage was insane. It's not a "new meta".

1.6? Way before then. Impen was the way to go when I started PVP in 1.3.

In 1.6 and 2.0, I would say nirnhoned was more popular than impen.

Yep. If you didnt have at least 5 impen at launch you were giving away free ult.

Jazbay_Grape · June 2016

Wollust wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Impenetrable is gargage. I'm a "hardcore" PVPer. Do you know what my crit resistance is? 68, because I have 1 CP into it.

90% of the time the best defense is a good offense. I run all infused and melt faces. I one shot an Emp last week.

This, of course, is where someone will tell me that whatever example I use isn't a good judge of how good you are at PVP, so I'll just reiterate that you don't need impenetrable to survive and in the right hands infused can be great.

Oh nice to meet you. People like you are the ones that give me ridiculously high crits on my stamblade. Always happy to see the big numbers. Keep it going please.

I tried this reasoning once ... and .. you're welcome.

Ghost-Shot · June 2016

Sandman929 wrote: »

Impen is really the flavor of the month isn't it? Suddenly, everyone MUST have it on everything, how did we ever live before this new "meta"?

Impen was even more mandatory in the old days when it actually shut down your ability to crit at all which meant not only less damage but also fewer ultimates in an era when fights were decided on who could drop the most ults. There were a few months in 1.6 when people didn't use it because most people didn't understand the change that was made to it with 1.6, its by no means a new meta.

holosoul · June 2016

Jazbay_Grape wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Impenetrable is gargage. I'm a "hardcore" PVPer. Do you know what my crit resistance is? 68, because I have 1 CP into it.

90% of the time the best defense is a good offense. I run all infused and melt faces. I one shot an Emp last week.

This, of course, is where someone will tell me that whatever example I use isn't a good judge of how good you are at PVP, so I'll just reiterate that you don't need impenetrable to survive and in the right hands infused can be great.

Oh nice to meet you. People like you are the ones that give me ridiculously high crits on my stamblade. Always happy to see the big numbers. Keep it going please.

I tried this reasoning once ... and .. you're welcome.

well you're literally giving your opponents a free 25% crit modifier (it negates the _modifier_ directly, 1.5x -> 1.25x) in exchange for about 1000 of your main stat (7 infused). No argument you can make is possibly valid.

Sandman929 · June 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Impen is really the flavor of the month isn't it? Suddenly, everyone MUST have it on everything, how did we ever live before this new "meta"?

Impen was even more mandatory in the old days when it actually shut down your ability to crit at all which meant not only less damage but also fewer ultimates in an era when fights were decided on who could drop the most ults. There were a few months in 1.6 when people didn't use it because most people didn't understand the change that was made to it with 1.6, its by no means a new meta.

It's also by no means, absolutely essential on every piece.

Ghost-Shot · June 2016

Sandman929 wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Impen is really the flavor of the month isn't it? Suddenly, everyone MUST have it on everything, how did we ever live before this new "meta"?

Impen was even more mandatory in the old days when it actually shut down your ability to crit at all which meant not only less damage but also fewer ultimates in an era when fights were decided on who could drop the most ults. There were a few months in 1.6 when people didn't use it because most people didn't understand the change that was made to it with 1.6, its by no means a new meta.

It's also by no means, absolutely essential on every piece.

The general rule if you don't run full impen is to run infused on big pieces especially if you use prismatic glyphs, that means impen on a shoulder is in fact 100% mandatory.

holosoul · June 2016

Naturally, a 1 - 3% DPS boost (divines/infused) in PVE is better than nothing.

Erondil · June 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Impen is really the flavor of the month isn't it? Suddenly, everyone MUST have it on everything, how did we ever live before this new "meta"?

Impen was even more mandatory in the old days when it actually shut down your ability to crit at all which meant not only less damage but also fewer ultimates in an era when fights were decided on who could drop the most ults. There were a few months in 1.6 when people didn't use it because most people didn't understand the change that was made to it with 1.6, its by no means a new meta.

It's also by no means, absolutely essential on every piece.

The general rule if you don't run full impen is to run infused on big pieces especially if you use prismatic glyphs, that means impen on a shoulder is in fact 100% mandatory.

Really depends of your build particularly what mundus tbf. 2-3 Divines is extremely strong if you go shadow for example, and well-fitted for solo stam builds is also a choice to consider (personally I never go without impen but I rarely go 7/7 impen aswell). But y agreed with OP undaunted keys should drop impen again. I mean just replace prosperous for impen in the loot table even PvErs rather have Impen than prosperous on their undaunted shoulder.