Sacred Ground Passive granting CC immunity.

Mureel · June 2016

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel

The slow in Sacred Ground Passive is granting CC immunity to MOBS and ADDS in cast range of Rune Focus and Morphs as well as Cleansing Ritual and Morphs.

Also, PURGE and morphs is still bugged and applying all dots at once rather than removing 2.

Please fix or give ETA.

Thank you.

daemonios · June 2016

Mureel wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel

The slow in Sacred Ground Passive is granting CC immunity to MOBS and ADDS in cast range of Rune Focus and Morphs as well as Cleansing Ritual and Morphs.

Also, PURGE and morphs is still bugged and applying all dots at once rather than removing 2.

Please fix or give ETA.

Thank you.

What @Mureel said.

This is making vMoL much harder than it needs to be since healers can't use purifying ritual or whatever it's called for fear of preventing the chaining of adds, and they can't purge the dots at 2nd boss.

UltimaJoe777 · June 2016

Snaring actually counts as CC against mobs though, believe me I know as I've seen it happen by using the Spider Web pre-DB to snare enemies and when they had immunity they wouldn't snare. The issue here isn't Sacred Grounds but the fact CC immunity blocks snaring in general.

Mureel · June 2016

Which is lame thing to put in this particular passive xD put it in one not also hosting major mending.

Then people can just not spec that passive. Not specing this one though is senseless for healers

Justice31st · June 2016

They stealth nerfed Templars. And also no longer will blazing spear shards or Toppling Charge cc work due to the aoe cc immunity. @Wrobel

LadyNalcarya · June 2016

Yeah it gives cc immunity and its very annoying in vMoL. Cant chain the adds because of that.

maxjapank · June 2016

Mureel wrote: »

Also, PURGE and morphs is still bugged and applying all dots at once rather than removing 2.

Wait...what?! Purge is applying all dots instead of removing them? Huh?? Wait...what?!

When did this happen? Someone please confirm.

Mureel · June 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Also, PURGE and morphs is still bugged and applying all dots at once rather than removing 2.

Wait...what?! Purge is applying all dots instead of removing them? Huh?? Wait...what?!

When did this happen? Someone please confirm.

Search forum :-) it's everywhere. It is a bug and I am not sure it happens every time, but I personally and also our other healer has been blown up by it.

Too early for me to be bothered searching this right now

maxjapank · June 2016

Mureel wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Also, PURGE and morphs is still bugged and applying all dots at once rather than removing 2.

Wait...what?! Purge is applying all dots instead of removing them? Huh?? Wait...what?!

When did this happen? Someone please confirm.

Search forum :-) it's everywhere. It is a bug and I am not sure it happens every time, but I personally and also our other healer has been blown up by it.

Too early for me to be bothered searching this right now

There has been exactly one thread that I know of talking about Purge being off. But nothing has been proven. And noone has said anything about all dots being applied instead of them being removed.

I'm pretty up to date with what's happening on the forums, but please enlighten me about it being "everywhere." My guild would be happy to know this info.

dodgehopper_ESO · June 2016

CC immunity has been causing problems with the entire design of the Templar class since the first few months of the game (Whenever they put cc immunity in the game).

Mureel · June 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Also, PURGE and morphs is still bugged and applying all dots at once rather than removing 2.

Wait...what?! Purge is applying all dots instead of removing them? Huh?? Wait...what?!

When did this happen? Someone please confirm.

Search forum :-) it's everywhere. It is a bug and I am not sure it happens every time, but I personally and also our other healer has been blown up by it.

Too early for me to be bothered searching this right now

There has been exactly one thread that I know of talking about Purge being off. But nothing has been proven. And noone has said anything about all dots being applied instead of them being removed.

I'm pretty up to date with what's happening on the forums, but please enlighten me about it being "everywhere." My guild would be happy to know this info.

Well then google and search forum.

I also am not sure how else to prove it - but at the VERY MINIMUM is is not consistently removing 2 effects.

Finally, that's just part of this and I personally am much more concerned with the templar passive granting CC immunity than this to be honest.

So search it, don't, up to you - it affects me not at all how you choose to react to my passing on info I was given.

Like many bugs in this game, this is hard to prove and not like he expected this to happen so didn't have video running etc.

I did see him cast it, immediately die 3x in total, and i also saw death recaps for 2 of them.

Panth141 · June 2016

I see no way for this to be considered 'working as intended'. Other, similar AoE snares (e.g. Caltrops) don't grant CC immunity - if they did then their usefulness in both PvP and PvE would plummet.

This 'buff' first seemed like a great change for the Templar house - it would offer some great control in PvP (exc. shuffle...), but this issue actually makes it worse.

@Wrobel - if you could let us know either way that this is a bug or as intended, it'd be very helpful.

Sotha_Sil · June 2016

Don't forget the rapid regen/mutagen not being a smart heal anymore.

Mureel · June 2016

Panth141 wrote: »

I see no way for this to be considered 'working as intended'. Other, similar AoE snares (e.g. Caltrops) don't grant CC immunity - if they did then their usefulness in both PvP and PvE would plummet.

This 'buff' first seemed like a great change for the Templar house - it would offer some great control in PvP (exc. shuffle...), but this issue actually makes it worse.

@Wrobel - if you could let us know either way that this is a bug or as intended, it'd be very helpful.

Well YES because basically.

So if it IS intended it needs to be moved to a different passive.

If not, it needs a fix desperately.

Mureel · June 2016

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Don't forget the rapid regen/mutagen not being a smart heal anymore.

I didn't read this yet, is it a change or a bug? If you know can you tell me or else I will search it later.

holosoul · June 2016

monsters simply shouldn't get cc immunity from soft cc, im not sure they need cc immunity from _any_ cc but definitely not soft cc

xblackroxe · June 2016

Panth141 wrote: »

I see no way for this to be considered 'working as intended'. Other, similar AoE snares (e.g. Caltrops) don't grant CC immunity - if they did then their usefulness in both PvP and PvE would plummet.

This 'buff' first seemed like a great change for the Templar house - it would offer some great control in PvP (exc. shuffle...), but this issue actually makes it worse.

@Wrobel - if you could let us know either way that this is a bug or as intended, it'd be very helpful.

It is sorking as intended. Snares have always granted to mobs. Works with caltrops and eruption too.
But its only on mobs. Doesn't work in pvp on players as everybody should know.

holosoul · June 2016

@xblackroxe How can you say that monsters walking near a templar getting CC immunity 100% of the time from a passive skill is "working as intended"? Unless the intention is to invest points in a passive that makes you weaker.

I don't even play templar, only sorc. I would like to see this fixed because it's in poor taste and the rules of the game are wrong whether it's intended or not.

Peekachu99 · June 2016

I'm confused, is the passive actually slowing (snaring) the mobs? If so, that's CC and additional CC should fail. If it's not snaring, then yes, it sounds like a bug. I haven't checked this out on PC or PS4 (later today).

Should work the same as Caltrops to be honest.

daemonios · June 2016

Peekachu99 wrote: »

I'm confused, is the passive actually slowing (snaring) the mobs? If so, that's CC and additional CC should fail. If it's not snaring, then yes, it sounds like a bug. I haven't checked this out on PC or PS4 (later today).

Should work the same as Caltrops to be honest.

Yes, in the latest update one of the templar skills was changed to add snare to some of their ground-based skills (rune focus, purifying ritual, etc).

This has the effect that if you absolutely need to avoid giving CC immunity to mobs (such as the adds on vMoL 2nd boss, which have to be chained in order to kill them more efficiently) you can't use those skills. Which sucks because in the case of purifying ritual in particular it's a huge area heal, healer buff and cleanse (using the synergy).

xblackroxe · June 2016

@holosoul
i say its working as intended because it is. I'm not saying its good but it is how it is.
The thing is now that those ground abilities like runefocus snare enemies thats what happens.
Payers get snared and can't break-free, mobs can and will.

Mureel · June 2016

xblackroxe wrote: »

@holosoul
i say its working as intended because it is. I'm not saying its good but it is how it is.
The thing is now that those ground abilities like runefocus snare enemies thats what happens.
Payers get snared and can't break-free, mobs can and will.

It is this from Sacred Ground Passive in Restoring Light Tree:

While standing in your own Cleansing Ritual, Rune Focus, or Rite of Passage areas of effect and for up to 4 seconds after leaving them you gain Major Mending, increasing your healing done by 25%.
Enemies standing in your Cleansing Ritual, Rune Focus or Rite of Passage areas of effect have their Movement Speed reduced by 30%.

Seems pretty unfair and broken, to me.

Panth141 · June 2016

xblackroxe wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

I see no way for this to be considered 'working as intended'. Other, similar AoE snares (e.g. Caltrops) don't grant CC immunity - if they did then their usefulness in both PvP and PvE would plummet.

This 'buff' first seemed like a great change for the Templar house - it would offer some great control in PvP (exc. shuffle...), but this issue actually makes it worse.

@Wrobel - if you could let us know either way that this is a bug or as intended, it'd be very helpful.

It is sorking as intended. Snares have always granted to mobs. Works with caltrops and eruption too.
But its only on mobs. Doesn't work in pvp on players as everybody should know.

Wait, what? Snares give mobs CC immunity? Did I miss that?

Snares are a soft CC, like crippling grasp, which doesn't grant CC immunity - or at least didn't when I last used it.

@Alcast - I saw that you were around this morning, so can you tell me if I'm being stupid or not please - do snares (such as caltrops) currently grant CC immunity?

Mureel · June 2016

Panth141 wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

I see no way for this to be considered 'working as intended'. Other, similar AoE snares (e.g. Caltrops) don't grant CC immunity - if they did then their usefulness in both PvP and PvE would plummet.

This 'buff' first seemed like a great change for the Templar house - it would offer some great control in PvP (exc. shuffle...), but this issue actually makes it worse.

@Wrobel - if you could let us know either way that this is a bug or as intended, it'd be very helpful.

It is sorking as intended. Snares have always granted to mobs. Works with caltrops and eruption too.
But its only on mobs. Doesn't work in pvp on players as everybody should know.

Wait, what? Snares give mobs CC immunity? Did I miss that?

Snares are a soft CC, like crippling grasp, which doesn't grant CC immunity - or at least didn't when I last used it.

@Alcast - I saw that you were around this morning, so can you tell me if I'm being stupid or not please - do snares (such as caltrops) currently grant CC immunity?

It is doing this now, yes.

In VMOL if you have any ADD in Ritual or Focus (all morphs and unmorphed because it's the passive), they cannot be chained. So that is bad.

maxjapank · June 2016

Mureel wrote: »

Well then google and search forum.

I also am not sure how else to prove it - but at the VERY MINIMUM is is not consistently removing 2 effects.

Finally, that's just part of this and I personally am much more concerned with the templar passive granting CC immunity than this to be honest.

So search it, don't, up to you - it affects me not at all how you choose to react to my passing on info I was given.

You claimed that purge was applying all dots at once rather than removing 2. And you also claimed that there were threads everywhere talking bout this. But there aren't.

Edited to remove inflammatory language.

isT · June 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Well then google and search forum.

I also am not sure how else to prove it - but at the VERY MINIMUM is is not consistently removing 2 effects.

Finally, that's just part of this and I personally am much more concerned with the templar passive granting CC immunity than this to be honest.

So search it, don't, up to you - it affects me not at all how you choose to react to my passing on info I was given.

You claimed that purge was applying all dots at once rather than removing 2. And you also claimed that there were threads everywhere talking bout this. But there aren't.

working as intended, get 100k of dots damage while your two healers spam purge.

Edited to remove quoted content that was removed.

Mureel · June 2016

Thanks for that

I haven't seen W yet to ask him for his.

maxjapank · June 2016

isT wrote: »

working as intended, get 100k of dots damage while your two healers spam purge.

Thank you for the screenshot @isT. It is a shame that the op claimed that there were multiple threads talking about purge when there weren't...and then proceeded to just tell me to google it. That's disrespectful. I'm just looking for answers and proof. A thread was initiated by my guild because we felt Purge was off. We felt that at times it was removing debuffs appropriately. But other times, it wasn't. We attributed it to latency as we are Oceanic based. But we just weren't sure.

I have include your screenshot in the thread talking about purge here. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/269939/bug-purge-purify/p2

Feel free to add whatever you wish to that discussion. And I'll leave this one to talking about sacred ground. Cheers.

ZOS_DaryaK · June 2016

We removed a few posts that were not constructive.

Mureel · June 2016

Justice31st wrote: »

They stealth nerfed Templars. And also no longer will blazing spear shards or Toppling Charge cc work due to the aoe cc immunity. @Wrobel

Oh yeah? LOL so if you have any ritual morph up those other skills just don't work??? OMG lol *smh*

Yeah that's bad....I didn't even think of that side of it.

Justice31st · June 2016

Peekachu99 wrote: »

I'm confused, is the passive actually slowing (snaring) the mobs? If so, that's CC and additional CC should fail. If it's not snaring, then yes, it sounds like a bug. I haven't checked this out on PC or PS4 (later today).

Should work the same as Caltrops to be honest.

A 30% movement speed reduction vs. a 70% movement speed reduction. LOL...