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I feel not offering crafting bags "for purchase" is disingenuous
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tist✭✭✭I mainly sub for the DLC and XP bonus but this crafting bag might be my favorite. Most of the time I would not bother with crafting materials because it was painfully tedious to deal with them. This alone will keep my sub .1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »To be honest,
The crafting bags ...are a base game patch feature just like poisons, champion system, name plates, etc according to ZOS so these should be in game gold.
If the crown store wants to add opportunities that is fine.
If the ESO Plus wants to further extent the slots to some astronomical number, fine but there should be a basic 20 - `00 slot option or buy in game to access and then upgrade just like the bank because its an inventory feature and not any actual items.
Even ZOS writes it as a base game patch but then decides to lock that one feature behind a subscription even tho they write that all base game patch features would always not require a sub.
SMH
That is simple why it is a base game feature - if you have acquired that bag by subscription and unsubscribe, you will still have access to the bag, you can just not put anything into it any longer - it has limited functionality when unsubscribed.5 -
Talyena✭✭✭✭My simple solution. Sell crafting bag space in the crown store. After your bank is maxed out, any crown store bank space purchase will apply those slots to the craft bag. As a subscriber that sounds pretty fair to me. People who want to spend more crowns could and they could shut up about purchasing craft bags in the crown store.1
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Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No offense to you personally OP, but I don't understand all the butthurt about this. Why are so many people averse to subscribing? Even if you don't care about the other benefits, you still get 1500 crowns with each renewal, and if you save them and don't waste them on frills in the crown store you usually have enough to buy each DLC when released, which you say you usually purchase directly anyway. Just sub and be done with it.4 -
DarkWombat✭✭✭✭No offense to you personally OP, but I don't understand all the butthurt about this. Why are so many people averse to subscribing? Even if you don't care about the other benefits, you still get 1500 crowns with each renewal, and if you save them and don't waste them on frills in the crown store you usually have enough to buy each DLC when released, which you say you usually purchase directly anyway. Just sub and be done with it.
You're late to the party, Ive been convinced and changed my mind.4 -
Resipsa131✭✭✭
Its a sunk cost, you didn't spend money on subbing for each expansion when they came out either. I spent crowns on a banker that now that we have crafting bags will be useless. But the banker is also a sunk cost.DarkWombat wrote: »A lot of you are obviously subscribers.
Why don't you try on some different shoes on for a moment...
You have purchased all of the content and do not sub. You love the idea of crafting bags.
Are you going to sub just for crafting bag, knowing that the mere act of subbing is pretty much only for that, because the expansions you paid for, are a waste of money because they come with said sub??
Edited by Resipsa131 on June 14, 2016 5:49PM2 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No offense to you personally OP, but I don't understand all the butthurt about this. Why are so many people averse to subscribing? Even if you don't care about the other benefits, you still get 1500 crowns with each renewal, and if you save them and don't waste them on frills in the crown store you usually have enough to buy each DLC when released, which you say you usually purchase directly anyway. Just sub and be done with it.
You can also stay subbed, skip buying the dlc's, and save the crowns for all the spiffy outfits that come out! I kid...somewhat. There are a few things that pass through that I break down and have to scoop up. It's good to have a stash of crowns for that occasion.
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly, a non-subscriber who has bought DLCs isn't any different to a subscriber who has bought inventory and bank slots. Both have spent their cash and crowns under the system in place at the time, and both now look back and question the wisdom or fairness in those decisions - non-subscribers because they don't get the crafting bag, subscribers because they mostly have no continuing need for the extra slots purchased. Moreover, of course, many subscribers have in any event also bought the DLCs so they are available regardless of any future subscription cancellations. It's very likely in my view that subscribers generally will contribute more to the game financially, in many cases since PC launch over 2 years ago, but more importantly from any developer's point of view they are contributing on a fixed regular basis and that means much more when raising funds or estimating revenue streams.
Clearly the intention of ZOS was to reward and incentivise subscribers and that seems fair enough. I have, incidentally, seen many posts from non-subscribers who share that view.
In time I'm sure that a lesser form of the crafting bag will be made available for non-subscribers to buy on the crown store, but until then it's down to individual players to decide whether they want to subscribe for what is only a convenience item at the end of the day.
I post as a subscriber with a crafting bag on one account, and a non-subscriber without a crafting bag on a second account. I have no problem with the current situation. If I decide I want the crafting bag for all my characters then I'll probably switch some of my second account characters to my first account by buying the extra character slots to accommodate them. If not, however, the characters without the crafting bag will remain every bit as playable as they were before it was introduced.1 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I want a chamber pot in all the crafting styles.
The Daedric one can look like a miniature dolmen...signing off1 -
Khajiit_Ri✭✭✭I understand where OP is coming from, purchasing a majority of the mounts, mount upgrades (for my main), costumes, DLCs, experience scrolls, pets, motifs, as well as miscellaneous other stuff, I've spent well above what subscribers spend in a single year (that is if the subscriber buys nothing else). And I'm sure a bunch of non-subscribers have as well (I wanted to put non-subs but that just felt dirty), anyhow, I get where they are coming from, but I did subscribe, I get a few bonuses, a monthly stipen, and a crafting bag. You should subscribe too, it's another way to help the developers and game out.
But I do detest the treatment of non-subscribers by fellow subscribers, we do get bonuses, increase in gold, experience, reduced research time, crowns, so it's not like we weren't getting anything or specifically you weren't getting something (in my opinion that was well worth the subscription), and the bag is a bonus, but honestly to OP subscribe, the bag is even a bigger bonus.
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Avalon✭✭✭✭✭Lol, great to see posts like this... Seen so many 'only morons sub' posts up til now, and now a 'this sucks! Only subs get this?!? But I want to buy it and not sub!' ROFL, that's awesome! Good job, ZOS!5 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Once you will have experienced this bag, you will not want to loose it ever again - it is just so convenient and convincing.4 -
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DDemon✭✭✭✭a permanent purchase wouldn't be fair towards ESO+ subscribers. However, a rental bag where you pay a certain amount of crowns to get access to the crafting bag for a certain amount of time wouldn't be unfair at all would it?
This would still add some form of subscription cost, and the option to buy all DLC content and still get access to very useful crafting bag.
PS: This is my perspective as an ESO+ subscriber.3 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭a permanent purchase wouldn't be fair towards ESO+ subscribers. However, a rental bag where you pay a certain amount of crowns to get access to the crafting bag for a certain amount of time wouldn't be unfair at all would it?
This would still add some form of subscription cost, and the option to buy all DLC content and still get access to very useful crafting bag.
PS: This is my perspective as an ESO+ subscriber.
I think they are doing this now. It is around 15 dollars worth of crowns to rent the bag for a month. 13 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DarkWombat wrote: »Who subs JUST FOR CRAFTING BAGS???
Me..."Get off my lawn!"2 -
Khajiit_Ri✭✭✭personally, if I were ESO, I'd capitalize on the non-subs by offering a bag to the subs, but one of limited use, instead of all crafting materials, let them choose which profession they want, and only materials of that profession are allowed in the bag. Charge like 19.99 for it.Edited by Khajiit_Ri on June 14, 2016 6:15PM0
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Acharnor✭✭✭✭Not again! This subject is the proverbial dead Guar which should be beaten no more.Celebrate for life is short but sweet for certain.2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Khajiit_Ri wrote: »personally, if I were ESO, I'd capitalize on the non-subs by offering a bag to the subs, but one of limited use, instead of all crafting materials, let them choose which profession they want, and only materials of that profession are allowed in the bag.
No that would be mean - as it is currently, it is a clear offer - there is the bag, you want it, subscribe - if you don't want to subscribe, then you obviously do not want this bag enough to care - a fair offer and not mean.3 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My crafting bag is awesome, and gives foot rubs. Either that, or it's the Bosmer that I stuffed into the bag..."Get off my lawn!"5 -
Khajiit_Ri✭✭✭why is it mean? you have one group that subscribes gets to store all mats. you have another group who doesn't subscribe, and gets a bag that is limited to what is put in there. Either way revenue is generated.
More revenue hopefully equals better quality game.Edited by Khajiit_Ri on June 14, 2016 6:18PM1 -
iam117✭✭✭i mean really they are purchasable, just have to buy them monthly if u want to keep depositing.<Liv3mind><PC/NA - Legion Of The Bloodworks>Snowflake Patrol3 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Khajiit_Ri wrote: »why is it mean? you have one group that subscribes gets to store all mats. you have another group who doesn't subscribe, and gets a bag that is limited to what is put in there. Either way revenue is generated.
From my point of view this would be mean - this is like selling people a sport-car but remove the engine and let them pedal like with a bicycle - something like that is mean. The offer is clear and fair - want that bag? subscribe - and if you dont want that, then you obviously do not need that bag anyway. Because if you would really need it, you would have subscribed already.Edited by Lysette on June 14, 2016 6:23PM1 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »To be honest,
The crafting bags ...are a base game patch feature just like poisons, champion system, name plates, etc according to ZOS so these should be in game gold.
If the crown store wants to add opportunities that is fine.
If the ESO Plus wants to further extent the slots to some astronomical number, fine but there should be a basic 20 - `00 slot option or buy in game to access and then upgrade just like the bank because its an inventory feature and not any actual items.
Even ZOS writes it as a base game patch but then decides to lock that one feature behind a subscription even tho they write that all base game patch features would always not require a sub.
SMH
That is simple why it is a base game feature - if you have acquired that bag by subscription and unsubscribe, you will still have access to the bag, you can just not put anything into it any longer - it has limited functionality when unsubscribed.
@Lysette
Here is the problem ....it is a base game feature "locked behind" a subscription requirement. It goes against everything ZOS announced about Tamriel Unlimited for base game updates.
The first word in your comment "if" followed by "subscriptions" between the word "lock"
That's the problem....it's either a base game feature or not.
According to ZOS in their ESO live and in the info on Tamriel Unlimited "base game patches" are included without the need to sub. This is not the case for this one feature amongst all others as described by ZOS.
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on June 14, 2016 6:27PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Luigi_Vampa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS should put the Crafting Bag in the crown store. Buying it will let you use the bag for one month. You can renew your crafting bag once it expires. Priced at $15
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »To be honest,
The crafting bags ...are a base game patch feature just like poisons, champion system, name plates, etc according to ZOS so these should be in game gold.
If the crown store wants to add opportunities that is fine.
If the ESO Plus wants to further extent the slots to some astronomical number, fine but there should be a basic 20 - `00 slot option or buy in game to access and then upgrade just like the bank because its an inventory feature and not any actual items.
Even ZOS writes it as a base game patch but then decides to lock that one feature behind a subscription even tho they write that all base game patch features would always not require a sub.
SMH
That is simple why it is a base game feature - if you have acquired that bag by subscription and unsubscribe, you will still have access to the bag, you can just not put anything into it any longer - it has limited functionality when unsubscribed.
@Lysette
Here is the problem ....it is a base game feature "locked behind" a subscription requirement. It goes against everything ZOS announced about Tamriel Unlimited for base game updates.
The first word in your comment "if" followed by "subscriptions" between the word "lock"
That's the problem....it's either a base game feature or not.
According to ZOS in their ESO live and in the info on Tamriel Unlimited "base game patches" are included without the need to sub. This is not the case for this one feature amongst all others as described by ZOS.
yes, the feature is included, that this bag is not ceasing to be, if you unsub, so it has to be part of the base game - but the bag itself is not obtainable without a subscription.3 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They could add 60 more slots of crown-only bank expansion at 1000 crowns per 10 slots.
That would up the bank to an even 300. Not infinite, but a lot more comfortable.signing off0 -
RandalMarrs✭✭✭And maybe it's because you do not need the dlc to acquire the crafting bag is the reason it's listed as a base game patch.1
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »To be honest,
The crafting bags ...are a base game patch feature just like poisons, champion system, name plates, etc according to ZOS so these should be in game gold.
If the crown store wants to add opportunities that is fine.
If the ESO Plus wants to further extent the slots to some astronomical number, fine but there should be a basic 20 - `00 slot option or buy in game to access and then upgrade just like the bank because its an inventory feature and not any actual items.
Even ZOS writes it as a base game patch but then decides to lock that one feature behind a subscription even tho they write that all base game patch features would always not require a sub.
SMH
That is simple why it is a base game feature - if you have acquired that bag by subscription and unsubscribe, you will still have access to the bag, you can just not put anything into it any longer - it has limited functionality when unsubscribed.
@Lysette
Here is the problem ....it is a base game feature "locked behind" a subscription requirement. It goes against everything ZOS announced about Tamriel Unlimited for base game updates.
The first word in your comment "if" followed by "subscriptions" between the word "lock"
That's the problem....it's either a base game feature or not.
According to ZOS in their ESO live and in the info on Tamriel Unlimited "base game patches" are included without the need to sub. This is not the case for this one feature amongst all others as described by ZOS.
yes, the feature is included, that this bag is not ceasing to be, if you unsub, so it has to be part of the base game - but the bag itself is not obtainable without a subscription.
@Lysette
Actually no, the feature is not included. That's the whole point.
It's literally excluded to non subscribers....but only that one not the others.
It's never accessible until you subscribe.
So by default ZOS has decided to go back on the once confirmed statement that all base game update patches will not require a sub.
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on June 14, 2016 6:36PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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