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Will "One Tamriel" Lead to pre-leveled 50 Chars
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With the announcement that all the base game zones are becoming basically irrelevant to the story line (any where, any time, in any order), will the next step be the introduction of pre-leveled 50 template chars?
You can buy a character slot... so putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 7 (maths not being my strong point) I conclude that the level 50 char is in ZoS mind for the Crown Store
You can buy a character slot... so putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 7 (maths not being my strong point) I conclude that the level 50 char is in ZoS mind for the Crown Store
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I doubt it, every time they add anything which isn't a mount or pet people scream pay to win.
Very likely they're just looking at taking to game in a direction they didn't have the chance to in the past. Most players coming into this as a TES fan would expect an open world without boarders and it looks like they're working to break those down.
If done well I think this will be fantastic, however to do it well will require changes to story and adding some content to help continuity and logic work. More likely is it will be botched and we'll spend months trying to get them to fix all the issues.
Still it's nothing game ending, everyone just has more options of how they reach level 50 and all those dead zones will have more people around to group up with for bosses etc.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭✭I hadn't actually thought about it before now but to my mind it implies the opposite.
The selling point of an instant level 50 character would be that you don't have to spend hours and hours going through the low level zones (or grinding in one spot) before you can get to the area/s you're interested in or play with your friends.
But if everyone is battle-leveled to the level of the zone they can already go everywhere and play with their friends so there's no incentive to buy a max level character.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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SickDuck✭✭✭✭✭Removing levels completely would be much better option than battle levelling. I bet it will confuse the hell out of new players since battle levelling messes with your stats massively. How will people learn the mechanics of the game if they have no idea how their stats (base, crit, dmg... etc) work before max level?Edited by SickDuck on June 13, 2016 11:03AMHoldviola - Khira'de Regalo - Lélekvadász - Used To Be An Adventurer - Zetor - Does-Not-Give-A-Duck - Lord Sugar - Tenar Arha - Da'rinka - Violent Moon - Extreme Runner2 -
NovaShadow✭✭✭✭✭No. Just no.
They should never sell max rank characters. That is pay to win right there.PC NA - EPHS4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Battle levelling everything kinda makes pre-levelled characters obsolete, don'tcha think?
But we'll see how it goes in the end...5 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Removing levels completely would be much better option than battle levelling. I bet it will confuse the hell out of new players since battle levelling messes with your stats massively. How will people learn the mechanics of the game if they have no idea how their stats (base, crit, dmg... etc) work before max level?
This is probably something we should provide feedback and thought about when they open up threads for it in the PTS builds.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Oliumzen✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »Battle levelling everything kinda makes pre-levelled characters obsolete, don'tcha think?
But we'll see how it goes in the end...
I'm against the whole buy a max level char.
However with that said a level 1 with level 1 gear battle leveled will still lose to a level 50 in cp 160 gear. Just would make people who have 160+ champ points the opportunity to not grind their alts...i did 12 levels last night in about 4 hours. By the time i was done i would probably have just payed to have a pre leveled guy lol0 -
Digiman✭✭✭✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »With the announcement that all the base game zones are becoming basically irrelevant to the story line (any where, any time, in any order), will the next step be the introduction of pre-leveled 50 template chars?
You can buy a character slot... so putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 7 (maths not being my strong point) I conclude that the level 50 char is in ZoS mind for the Crown Store
SWTOR did this for there game... wouldn't be surprised if there was a crown store token in the works. Personally though I don't care and am happy they are giving a much greater access to leveling with friends who can't have time to reach higher levels.
When your not in a complete dead zone and are able to do things the game remains fun. It's when its dead is when it loses its fun.0 -
MardorSoul ShrivenThey changed the training trait to increasethe xp gain, which is very interesting, because before the update, leveling a new character 1-50 took me around 2 days, but now it will be even faster. (exp potion+all pieces training trait+eso + ?!)
Additionally, i doubt that they will add a lvl-50 character-template, because they dont want to look like WoW.Edited by Mardor on June 13, 2016 11:25AM1 -
Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why they need to sell lvl 50s char when they can just open the endgame at lvl 10, just like Cyrodil. That should fix all queue problems once for all.
I think this is good move but I think this game still requires Request System for dolmens, world bosses, public dungeons, IC, Orsinium group-content etc.
I support if they start to sell lvl 50 chars though, more people at the endgame, the merrier.Edited by Sausage on June 13, 2016 11:41AM0 -
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✭✭✭Next step after that will be selling champion points....
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I support if they start to sell lvl 50 chars though, more people at the endgame, the merrier.
Yeah.. Merrier.
There will just be more cries for nerf (if that person decided to 2-man vMoL as their first dungeon and was rekt, for example)
And more pug elitism and segregation based on experience (since a person that doesnt know how to control their character likely wont be welcomed in dungeon pugs).Edited by LadyNalcarya on June 13, 2016 2:13PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭They added the ability to wear a hat therefore I conclude they will give me free crowns and a Technicolor unicorn to ride on top of my flying castle.
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✭✭✭✭✭No the whole point is scaling-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »With the announcement that all the base game zones are becoming basically irrelevant to the story line (any where, any time, in any order), will the next step be the introduction of pre-leveled 50 template chars?
You can buy a character slot... so putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 7 (maths not being my strong point) I conclude that the level 50 char is in ZoS mind for the Crown Store
No.Not at all.They will never sell any type of ingame characters in the crown store.Other than the empty slots.1 -
Clerics1985✭✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »With the announcement that all the base game zones are becoming basically irrelevant to the story line (any where, any time, in any order), will the next step be the introduction of pre-leveled 50 template chars?
You can buy a character slot... so putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 7 (maths not being my strong point) I conclude that the level 50 char is in ZoS mind for the Crown Store
No.Not at all.They will never sell any type of ingame characters in the crown store.Other than the empty slots.
I believe this to be true, but I'm not sold on the Idea that they wouldn't sell CP
I mean if we look at it, why WOULDN'T they?
They sell Bag space, bank space, Mount upgrades *of all types* Poisons, exp scrolls, potions, merchant/Bank Assistants, Vamp/Werewolf Viruses, nearly all Motifs available. Where is the Line drawn and When is it too much?0 -
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✭✭✭Buying a level 50 character wouldn't avoid grinding unless it came with maxed skills too. In the case that skills wouldn't be maxed, I'm not sure why people would buy level 50 characters.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭Buying a level 50 character wouldn't avoid grinding unless it came with maxed skills too. In the case that skills wouldn't be maxed, I'm not sure why people would buy level 50 characters.
If they want to jump into earning CP right away?
That's about the only advantage I could see with the One Tamriel change.Why be normal when you can be better?
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✭✭Clerics1985 wrote: »stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »With the announcement that all the base game zones are becoming basically irrelevant to the story line (any where, any time, in any order), will the next step be the introduction of pre-leveled 50 template chars?
You can buy a character slot... so putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 7 (maths not being my strong point) I conclude that the level 50 char is in ZoS mind for the Crown Store
No.Not at all.They will never sell any type of ingame characters in the crown store.Other than the empty slots.
I believe this to be true, but I'm not sold on the Idea that they wouldn't sell CP
I mean if we look at it, why WOULDN'T they?
They sell Bag space, bank space, Mount upgrades *of all types* Poisons, exp scrolls, potions, merchant/Bank Assistants, Vamp/Werewolf Viruses, nearly all Motifs available. Where is the Line drawn and When is it too much?
They wouldnt sell CP because that,indeed,would be P2W for sure. That would give someone a huge advantage over another player if they bought as many as they could.Not all people would buy them.What would even playing the game be then?
There is a small community of PvPers who would.0 -
Clerics1985✭✭✭Clerics1985 wrote: »stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »With the announcement that all the base game zones are becoming basically irrelevant to the story line (any where, any time, in any order), will the next step be the introduction of pre-leveled 50 template chars?
You can buy a character slot... so putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 7 (maths not being my strong point) I conclude that the level 50 char is in ZoS mind for the Crown Store
No.Not at all.They will never sell any type of ingame characters in the crown store.Other than the empty slots.
I believe this to be true, but I'm not sold on the Idea that they wouldn't sell CP
I mean if we look at it, why WOULDN'T they?
They sell Bag space, bank space, Mount upgrades *of all types* Poisons, exp scrolls, potions, merchant/Bank Assistants, Vamp/Werewolf Viruses, nearly all Motifs available. Where is the Line drawn and When is it too much?
They wouldnt sell CP because that,indeed,would be P2W for sure. That would give someone a huge advantage over another player if they bought as many as they could.Not all people would buy them.What would even playing the game be then?
There is a small community of PvPers who would.
Mount Upgrades are a HUGE advantage over another Player Motifs are a HUGE advantage over another player, Assistants are Definitely a Huge advantage over another player, but since they are Not PvP advantages *except in the mount department* they don't legit count right?0 -
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✭✭Clerics1985 wrote: »Clerics1985 wrote: »stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »With the announcement that all the base game zones are becoming basically irrelevant to the story line (any where, any time, in any order), will the next step be the introduction of pre-leveled 50 template chars?
You can buy a character slot... so putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 7 (maths not being my strong point) I conclude that the level 50 char is in ZoS mind for the Crown Store
No.Not at all.They will never sell any type of ingame characters in the crown store.Other than the empty slots.
I believe this to be true, but I'm not sold on the Idea that they wouldn't sell CP
I mean if we look at it, why WOULDN'T they?
They sell Bag space, bank space, Mount upgrades *of all types* Poisons, exp scrolls, potions, merchant/Bank Assistants, Vamp/Werewolf Viruses, nearly all Motifs available. Where is the Line drawn and When is it too much?
They wouldnt sell CP because that,indeed,would be P2W for sure. That would give someone a huge advantage over another player if they bought as many as they could.Not all people would buy them.What would even playing the game be then?
There is a small community of PvPers who would.
Mount Upgrades are a HUGE advantage over another Player Motifs are a HUGE advantage over another player, Assistants are Definitely a Huge advantage over another player, but since they are Not PvP advantages *except in the mount department* they don't legit count right?
Really? How do I get an advantage because my horse runs faster than someone else's? Or because it carries more than someone elses?
Or, motifs? Motifs dont give you [perks,they just look cool.Assisstants are no huge advantage/.They take too much gold from you.35% is a bit much.
None of these things will make your skills better,or give you extra skills.
Why didnt you mention the XP scrolls? THOSE can give an advantage to a player over another.But,only in granting XP. And since I dont PvP I have nothing to say about what is or isnt an advantage there.
However,I fail to understand how an inventory upgrade can help you in PvP,..or assistants for that matter.
Please,enlighten me there.How are they "huge advantages"?0 -
Clerics1985✭✭✭Clerics1985 wrote: »Clerics1985 wrote: »stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »With the announcement that all the base game zones are becoming basically irrelevant to the story line (any where, any time, in any order), will the next step be the introduction of pre-leveled 50 template chars?
You can buy a character slot... so putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 7 (maths not being my strong point) I conclude that the level 50 char is in ZoS mind for the Crown Store
No.Not at all.They will never sell any type of ingame characters in the crown store.Other than the empty slots.
I believe this to be true, but I'm not sold on the Idea that they wouldn't sell CP
I mean if we look at it, why WOULDN'T they?
They sell Bag space, bank space, Mount upgrades *of all types* Poisons, exp scrolls, potions, merchant/Bank Assistants, Vamp/Werewolf Viruses, nearly all Motifs available. Where is the Line drawn and When is it too much?
They wouldnt sell CP because that,indeed,would be P2W for sure. That would give someone a huge advantage over another player if they bought as many as they could.Not all people would buy them.What would even playing the game be then?
There is a small community of PvPers who would.
Mount Upgrades are a HUGE advantage over another Player Motifs are a HUGE advantage over another player, Assistants are Definitely a Huge advantage over another player, but since they are Not PvP advantages *except in the mount department* they don't legit count right?
Really? How do I get an advantage because my horse runs faster than someone else's? Or because it carries more than someone elses?
Or, motifs? Motifs dont give you [perks,they just look cool.Assisstants are no huge advantage/.They take too much gold from you.35% is a bit much.
None of these things will make your skills better,or give you extra skills.
Why didnt you mention the XP scrolls? THOSE can give an advantage to a player over another.But,only in granting XP. And since I dont PvP I have nothing to say about what is or isnt an advantage there.
However,I fail to understand how an inventory upgrade can help you in PvP,..or assistants for that matter.
Please,enlighten me there.How are they "huge advantages"?
well Since you don't PVP I can understand why you don't think Mount upgrades can be a Big advantage, that's just the difference between a 20 minute ride and a 3-5 minute ride to the Fighting Grounds in Cyradiil granted it doesn't do much for the PVE community, as Per the the Motifs, People Buying the motifs can have access to pretty much all styles and therefore get business much more often then someone who is "grinding" for their motifs, the Master assistant is the Same Concept except they won't have to worry about Running/porting All the way back to a town to empty their Bags into the vendors/bank.
Mount Upgrade PvP advantage. * go to cyradill start from arrius or brk and Ride to Alessia etc and see how long it takes you, The team with the fastest mounts will be the team to win the Castle. have you have heard the Phrase "running simulator"? that's Cyradill if you don't have maxed Mount speed/stamina.
Motif/vendor/bank assistants Trade system Advantage, okay it costs a bit to use? well in general you're using the merchant to keeps whites/trash out of your bag permanently without the loss of coin and Useful stuff placed inside your bank as it's found without having to literally take a "destroy" or "port to town" action to loose time and money.
and sure, Experience scrolls can definitely be advantage as well.
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✭✭✭✭✭NovaShadow wrote: »No. Just no.
They should never sell max rank characters. That is pay to win right there.
I totally disagree. It's not your level that counts in ESO, but your CP. Leveling 1-50 takes a week, but grinding 501 CP takes months. Selling a level 50 toon is not anywhere near "pay to win".#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
Aleraon✭✭✭✭The thing is you were at one time able to go anywhere on the map anyway until they stopped allowing you too. The only difference with this one tamriel thing is the scaling, so nothing really new.(EU/AD) CP501 Razum-dah - Khajiiti Templar Healer
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Slylok✭✭✭I dont think they will add any insta level 50s.. Though with everything battle leveled I do wonder if they are thinking of making CP the main form of advancement. And with everything battle leveled will players start gaining CP from the start? Maybe the removal of experience levels entirely and just have Skill levels and CPs?Youtube ESO First Person Gameplay - http://tinyurl.com/o6evusk
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Clerics1985 wrote: »Clerics1985 wrote: »Clerics1985 wrote: »stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »With the announcement that all the base game zones are becoming basically irrelevant to the story line (any where, any time, in any order), will the next step be the introduction of pre-leveled 50 template chars?
You can buy a character slot... so putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 7 (maths not being my strong point) I conclude that the level 50 char is in ZoS mind for the Crown Store
No.Not at all.They will never sell any type of ingame characters in the crown store.Other than the empty slots.
I believe this to be true, but I'm not sold on the Idea that they wouldn't sell CP
I mean if we look at it, why WOULDN'T they?
They sell Bag space, bank space, Mount upgrades *of all types* Poisons, exp scrolls, potions, merchant/Bank Assistants, Vamp/Werewolf Viruses, nearly all Motifs available. Where is the Line drawn and When is it too much?
They wouldnt sell CP because that,indeed,would be P2W for sure. That would give someone a huge advantage over another player if they bought as many as they could.Not all people would buy them.What would even playing the game be then?
There is a small community of PvPers who would.
Mount Upgrades are a HUGE advantage over another Player Motifs are a HUGE advantage over another player, Assistants are Definitely a Huge advantage over another player, but since they are Not PvP advantages *except in the mount department* they don't legit count right?
Really? How do I get an advantage because my horse runs faster than someone else's? Or because it carries more than someone elses?
Or, motifs? Motifs dont give you [perks,they just look cool.Assisstants are no huge advantage/.They take too much gold from you.35% is a bit much.
None of these things will make your skills better,or give you extra skills.
Why didnt you mention the XP scrolls? THOSE can give an advantage to a player over another.But,only in granting XP. And since I dont PvP I have nothing to say about what is or isnt an advantage there.
However,I fail to understand how an inventory upgrade can help you in PvP,..or assistants for that matter.
Please,enlighten me there.How are they "huge advantages"?
well Since you don't PVP I can understand why you don't think Mount upgrades can be a Big advantage, that's just the difference between a 20 minute ride and a 3-5 minute ride to the Fighting Grounds in Cyradiil granted it doesn't do much for the PVE community, as Per the the Motifs, People Buying the motifs can have access to pretty much all styles and therefore get business much more often then someone who is "grinding" for their motifs, the Master assistant is the Same Concept except they won't have to worry about Running/porting All the way back to a town to empty their Bags into the vendors/bank.
Mount Upgrade PvP advantage. * go to cyradill start from arrius or brk and Ride to Alessia etc and see how long it takes you, The team with the fastest mounts will be the team to win the Castle. have you have heard the Phrase "running simulator"? that's Cyradill if you don't have maxed Mount speed/stamina.
Motif/vendor/bank assistants Trade system Advantage, okay it costs a bit to use? well in general you're using the merchant to keeps whites/trash out of your bag permanently without the loss of coin and Useful stuff placed inside your bank as it's found without having to literally take a "destroy" or "port to town" action to loose time and money.
and sure, Experience scrolls can definitely be advantage as well.
Well,most of what you say are advantages dont seem that way to me because I was coming from the point of combat advantages.Those things like business and motifs,etc,have nothing to do with combat.So,in that way, they arent play advantages.
i can see how the mount situation would be an issue for PvP. I can also see your point about Cyrodiil and the 'running simulator".
Grinding for motifs is just someone's choice rather than buying motifs in guild stores. I have nearly all motifs learned with two of my characters,but they are just for different looking gear.Not to add any advancements to my character.I can use just the basic gear motifs,and craft gear that is very very good. Selling motifs doesnt give a player an advantage.It just gives them gold.
If someone doesnt have their skills up to par,and hasnt crafted or bought gear up to par,..it's their own fault.
Not from external advantages. You cant blame these things if someone has a more solid build for their character.
Also,the assistants are pretty useless,since we now have crafting bags which make a lot more room for whites.Actually.selling whites can gicve you as bit of gold as well.If you have a lower level alt that needs their skills worked up,use those to decon.Not just the green,or blue items.0 -
Clerics1985✭✭✭Clerics1985 wrote: »Clerics1985 wrote: »Clerics1985 wrote: »stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »With the announcement that all the base game zones are becoming basically irrelevant to the story line (any where, any time, in any order), will the next step be the introduction of pre-leveled 50 template chars?
You can buy a character slot... so putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 7 (maths not being my strong point) I conclude that the level 50 char is in ZoS mind for the Crown Store
No.Not at all.They will never sell any type of ingame characters in the crown store.Other than the empty slots.
I believe this to be true, but I'm not sold on the Idea that they wouldn't sell CP
I mean if we look at it, why WOULDN'T they?
They sell Bag space, bank space, Mount upgrades *of all types* Poisons, exp scrolls, potions, merchant/Bank Assistants, Vamp/Werewolf Viruses, nearly all Motifs available. Where is the Line drawn and When is it too much?
They wouldnt sell CP because that,indeed,would be P2W for sure. That would give someone a huge advantage over another player if they bought as many as they could.Not all people would buy them.What would even playing the game be then?
There is a small community of PvPers who would.
Mount Upgrades are a HUGE advantage over another Player Motifs are a HUGE advantage over another player, Assistants are Definitely a Huge advantage over another player, but since they are Not PvP advantages *except in the mount department* they don't legit count right?
Really? How do I get an advantage because my horse runs faster than someone else's? Or because it carries more than someone elses?
Or, motifs? Motifs dont give you [perks,they just look cool.Assisstants are no huge advantage/.They take too much gold from you.35% is a bit much.
None of these things will make your skills better,or give you extra skills.
Why didnt you mention the XP scrolls? THOSE can give an advantage to a player over another.But,only in granting XP. And since I dont PvP I have nothing to say about what is or isnt an advantage there.
However,I fail to understand how an inventory upgrade can help you in PvP,..or assistants for that matter.
Please,enlighten me there.How are they "huge advantages"?
well Since you don't PVP I can understand why you don't think Mount upgrades can be a Big advantage, that's just the difference between a 20 minute ride and a 3-5 minute ride to the Fighting Grounds in Cyradiil granted it doesn't do much for the PVE community, as Per the the Motifs, People Buying the motifs can have access to pretty much all styles and therefore get business much more often then someone who is "grinding" for their motifs, the Master assistant is the Same Concept except they won't have to worry about Running/porting All the way back to a town to empty their Bags into the vendors/bank.
Mount Upgrade PvP advantage. * go to cyradill start from arrius or brk and Ride to Alessia etc and see how long it takes you, The team with the fastest mounts will be the team to win the Castle. have you have heard the Phrase "running simulator"? that's Cyradill if you don't have maxed Mount speed/stamina.
Motif/vendor/bank assistants Trade system Advantage, okay it costs a bit to use? well in general you're using the merchant to keeps whites/trash out of your bag permanently without the loss of coin and Useful stuff placed inside your bank as it's found without having to literally take a "destroy" or "port to town" action to loose time and money.
and sure, Experience scrolls can definitely be advantage as well.
Well,most of what you say are advantages dont seem that way to me because I was coming from the point of combat advantages.Those things like business and motifs,etc,have nothing to do with combat.So,in that way, they arent play advantages.
i can see how the mount situation would be an issue for PvP. I can also see your point about Cyrodiil and the 'running simulator".
Grinding for motifs is just someone's choice rather than buying motifs in guild stores. I have nearly all motifs learned with two of my characters,but they are just for different looking gear.Not to add any advancements to my character.I can use just the basic gear motifs,and craft gear that is very very good. Selling motifs doesnt give a player an advantage.It just gives them gold.
If someone doesnt have their skills up to par,and hasnt crafted or bought gear up to par,..it's their own fault.
Not from external advantages. You cant blame these things if someone has a more solid build for their character.
Also,the assistants are pretty useless,since we now have crafting bags which make a lot more room for whites.Actually.selling whites can gicve you as bit of gold as well.If you have a lower level alt that needs their skills worked up,use those to decon.Not just the green,or blue items.
I understand where you're Coming from, and thanks for replying. You are correct in that most of what I have described isn't "combat" advantages except in regards to the mount upgrades in general, and though I'm not ONE of them, there are a wide selection of ppl on Eso in Trade guilds that play the game to "play the market" so to speak and I only mention those in respect to them. I played SWTOR and all of these are practically Implemented there as well, the only difference is within SWTOR a Non-sub/P2W character can Buy all those lets call them Novelty additions, from their Auction house, which Alleviates some of the "P2W" argument in their favor. I'm not against any of this myself, as a matter of fact I bought the assistant to help alleviate the pain of a small sack {
}. Really I just have this Problem of looking at things from Every perspective, and just tend to voice my opinions without regards to people asking for it 
Blame it on meh Alliance I suppose, EP FOR LYFE
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✭✭Clerics1985 wrote: »Clerics1985 wrote: »Clerics1985 wrote: »Clerics1985 wrote: »stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »With the announcement that all the base game zones are becoming basically irrelevant to the story line (any where, any time, in any order), will the next step be the introduction of pre-leveled 50 template chars?
You can buy a character slot... so putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 7 (maths not being my strong point) I conclude that the level 50 char is in ZoS mind for the Crown Store
No.Not at all.They will never sell any type of ingame characters in the crown store.Other than the empty slots.
I believe this to be true, but I'm not sold on the Idea that they wouldn't sell CP
I mean if we look at it, why WOULDN'T they?
They sell Bag space, bank space, Mount upgrades *of all types* Poisons, exp scrolls, potions, merchant/Bank Assistants, Vamp/Werewolf Viruses, nearly all Motifs available. Where is the Line drawn and When is it too much?
They wouldnt sell CP because that,indeed,would be P2W for sure. That would give someone a huge advantage over another player if they bought as many as they could.Not all people would buy them.What would even playing the game be then?
There is a small community of PvPers who would.
Mount Upgrades are a HUGE advantage over another Player Motifs are a HUGE advantage over another player, Assistants are Definitely a Huge advantage over another player, but since they are Not PvP advantages *except in the mount department* they don't legit count right?
Really? How do I get an advantage because my horse runs faster than someone else's? Or because it carries more than someone elses?
Or, motifs? Motifs dont give you [perks,they just look cool.Assisstants are no huge advantage/.They take too much gold from you.35% is a bit much.
None of these things will make your skills better,or give you extra skills.
Why didnt you mention the XP scrolls? THOSE can give an advantage to a player over another.But,only in granting XP. And since I dont PvP I have nothing to say about what is or isnt an advantage there.
However,I fail to understand how an inventory upgrade can help you in PvP,..or assistants for that matter.
Please,enlighten me there.How are they "huge advantages"?
well Since you don't PVP I can understand why you don't think Mount upgrades can be a Big advantage, that's just the difference between a 20 minute ride and a 3-5 minute ride to the Fighting Grounds in Cyradiil granted it doesn't do much for the PVE community, as Per the the Motifs, People Buying the motifs can have access to pretty much all styles and therefore get business much more often then someone who is "grinding" for their motifs, the Master assistant is the Same Concept except they won't have to worry about Running/porting All the way back to a town to empty their Bags into the vendors/bank.
Mount Upgrade PvP advantage. * go to cyradill start from arrius or brk and Ride to Alessia etc and see how long it takes you, The team with the fastest mounts will be the team to win the Castle. have you have heard the Phrase "running simulator"? that's Cyradill if you don't have maxed Mount speed/stamina.
Motif/vendor/bank assistants Trade system Advantage, okay it costs a bit to use? well in general you're using the merchant to keeps whites/trash out of your bag permanently without the loss of coin and Useful stuff placed inside your bank as it's found without having to literally take a "destroy" or "port to town" action to loose time and money.
and sure, Experience scrolls can definitely be advantage as well.
Well,most of what you say are advantages dont seem that way to me because I was coming from the point of combat advantages.Those things like business and motifs,etc,have nothing to do with combat.So,in that way, they arent play advantages.
i can see how the mount situation would be an issue for PvP. I can also see your point about Cyrodiil and the 'running simulator".
Grinding for motifs is just someone's choice rather than buying motifs in guild stores. I have nearly all motifs learned with two of my characters,but they are just for different looking gear.Not to add any advancements to my character.I can use just the basic gear motifs,and craft gear that is very very good. Selling motifs doesnt give a player an advantage.It just gives them gold.
If someone doesnt have their skills up to par,and hasnt crafted or bought gear up to par,..it's their own fault.
Not from external advantages. You cant blame these things if someone has a more solid build for their character.
Also,the assistants are pretty useless,since we now have crafting bags which make a lot more room for whites.Actually.selling whites can gicve you as bit of gold as well.If you have a lower level alt that needs their skills worked up,use those to decon.Not just the green,or blue items.
I understand where you're Coming from, and thanks for replying. You are correct in that most of what I have described isn't "combat" advantages except in regards to the mount upgrades in general, and though I'm not ONE of them, there are a wide selection of ppl on Eso in Trade guilds that play the game to "play the market" so to speak and I only mention those in respect to them. I played SWTOR and all of these are practically Implemented there as well, the only difference is within SWTOR a Non-sub/P2W character can Buy all those lets call them Novelty additions, from their Auction house, which Alleviates some of the "P2W" argument in their favor. I'm not against any of this myself, as a matter of fact I bought the assistant to help alleviate the pain of a small sack { }. Really I just have this Problem of looking at things from Every perspective, and just tend to voice my opinions without regards to people asking for it
Blame it on meh Alliance I suppose, EP FOR LYFE
Your opinions fine,from every aspect.Sometimes we need those different points of view.They are as valid as anyone elses.Even if we might not agree a bout some of them.Still,one can learn from someone you disagree with.
For those you mention that play the market,they cant be very well set up for anything competitive,or even do much questing in PvE.Sad,really.They lose out on so much for just selling items,and ignoring the rest of the game.I'm glad we arent one of "those". XDEdited by Volkodav on June 13, 2016 4:56PM1
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