Please CP reference the dugeons in the dungeon finder.

Armitas · June 2016

Allowing people to blindly queue up for vWGT at 30 cp creates a bad situation for everyone. It's a bad situation for the guy who queued up not knowing the dungeon is far higher in difficulty then he is ready for, and it's a bad situation for everyone else who has to tell him he isn't ready for it.

Please put a recommended CP on each dungeon in the dungeon finder so people know what they are getting into when they queue, and allow us to set a CP minimum on who we get grouped with when we select a specific dungeon.

A poster came up with this which I like better than CP reference.

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

But your general idea, labeling dungeons according to their difficulty is a good idea in my opinion. It shouldn't be cp related but more a little description for each dungeon in the group finder:
- Wayrest Sewers: Cleaning the sewers from it's undead inhabitants. A perfect task for an aspiring adventurer.
- City of Ash: Only experienced fighters should go on the mission to rescue other members of the undaunted from the Deadlands
- Imperial City Prison: Assisting a dremora on her path to vengeance - only perfectly geared and trained heroes should attempt such a foolish quest.

AzraelKrieg · June 2016

Wouldn't matter as queuing for a dungeon using the group finder scales everyone up to CP160 anyway.

Armitas · June 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Wouldn't matter as queuing for a dungeon using the group finder scales everyone up to CP160 anyway.

It doesn't work. 12k hp at 30 cp "scaled up" isn't going to make vWGT happen, even more so for vICP.

Armitas · June 2016

I should also add dungeon finder is working too well. It's making 7man groups for a 4 man dungeon.

Lenikus · June 2016

Ooooh, can i bait people too?
please? pretty please?

*caham* - *Cough cough*
So, I agree, people should be locked away from any group content until they can stop being plebs and get on the very least 501 cp to be in my group. Also i want the ability to inspect them in-game, and if they lack any gold gear or maelstrom weapons i demand my right to rightfully remove them from my presence.

IamNoobee · June 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Ooooh, can i bait people too?
please? pretty please?

*caham* - *Cough cough*
So, I agree, people should be locked away from any group content until they can stop being plebs and get on the very least 501 cp to be in my group. Also i want the ability to inspect them in-game, and if they lack any gold gear or maelstrom weapons i demand my right to rightfully remove them from my presence.

this reply put a big smile on my face. loving it lol.

failkiwib16_ESO · June 2016

We really need dungeon difficulty and cp indicators. It will not solve the whole problem, but it will solve a large part of it.

Many new guildies of mine ask about WGT and ICP, thinking it is a good idea to do those dungeons as a level 10 player in looted random gear & 0 group experience, weapon swap or skills levelled.
- in case anyone is wondering, it is a very bad idea!

Armitas · June 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Ooooh, can i bait people too?
please? pretty please?

*caham* - *Cough cough*
So, I agree, people should be locked away from any group content until they can stop being plebs and get on the very least 501 cp to be in my group. Also i want the ability to inspect them in-game, and if they lack any gold gear or maelstrom weapons i demand my right to rightfully remove them from my presence.

I know this is not serious but just for everyone's understanding none of what I mentioned would lock anyone away from content.

Shadesofkin · June 2016

I had a guy argue with me that he should be allowed to join our Maw run at his 94cp level, he literally got mad at me and called me an elitist when I told him no and that he'd die and we couldn't carry him.

The content needs to have some indicators at the recommended levels for it, even if it's battle leveling players.

RebornV3x · June 2016

I agree with this idea there should be a recommended CP level for dungeons its just common scene

MaxwellC · June 2016

I do agree with the OP either put a indicator or show a video of what they will expect and that the content isn't for those who aren't gear ready.

Dradhok · June 2016

There just needs to be a third tier of dungeon difficulty. The third tier should be based on a gear score and CP level. Hardcore gamers should have the option to take on elite level content with likeminded adventurers.

failkiwib16_ESO · June 2016

I mean just a set gear and color recomendation for dungeons would be good.

There are lowbies who are fairly well dressed, but progress slowly because they care about crafting and character development... these lowbies do have a chance of completing a group dungeon with like-minded players with a little struggle, but they can not complete it with players who just grinded to level 10, wears random looted gear, got 0 buff food, soul gems or proper skills slotted.

Nirnrotten · June 2016

I don't mind carrying someone through a dungeon if we can manage it but usually when I PUG, the group I'm with can barely carry their own weight let alone someone else's.

I've gone from DPS to healer because the healer couldn't stay alive or keep group alive, and I've gone from healer to DPS because the group couldn't get anything down quick enough.

That's the risk with the pug tho. Can't tell you how many people I've grouped with that were Qd as tank and were really Bow DPS or something stupid like that lol. Good times in Tamriel...

Elder_III · June 2016

Aside from ICP and WGT you can PUG with just about anyone and make it through. Those two dungeons are a step above the rest difficulty wise and some kind of indicator of that would be helpful. Removing them from the Random Daily finder might alleviate this issue, or an option to let the leader "pass" on that daily and get a different random dungeon? Trying to do ICP with a lvl 16 healer (brand new to game) a lvl 22 DPS (I assume they were new since they spent 95% of the time eating dirt), and lvl 44 DPS and a lvl 48 Tank (me) wasn't much fun. Needless to say we didn't clear the first boss. It wasn't a lack of skill or effort but more of a simple lack of gear and stats to combat that particular content. Our Healer and DPSs weren't doing anything obviously stupid like standing in red etc, but just hit like limp noodles (my 100% tanky tank did the most dps for cripes sake), and just couldn't stay alive against the amount of enemies. Bump us all up to lvl 50 with blue or purple set gear and we probably would have been fine.

The sad thing is that new to the game lvl 16 Healer was turned off from dungeons and had a very bad impression of group content in the game based on that. Hopefully they will try again in easier content.

Armitas · June 2016

Elder_III wrote: »

The sad thing is that new to the game lvl 16 Healer was turned off from dungeons and had a very bad impression of group content in the game based on that. Hopefully they will try again in easier content.

Yeah I feel like the 30cp guy felt the same. I tried to give him food but everything I had was too high in CP for him. I cooked some trifood for him and mailed it after we quit the group on the first boss. It puts everyone in such a bad position and really gives a bad impression of the game that these new players won't be able to put into context.

phaneub17_ESO · June 2016

Would it be any different if a 400CP player joined who just reached level 50 with that character and is poorly geared?

Digiman · June 2016

Game might and with GS addon that starts measuring your gear next.

Armitas wrote: »

Allowing people to blindly queue up for vWGT at 30 cp creates a bad situation for everyone. It's a bad situation for the guy who queued up not knowing the dungeon is far higher in difficulty then he is ready for, and it's a bad situation for everyone else who has to tell him he isn't ready for it.

Please put a recommended CP on each dungeon in the dungeon finder so people know what they are getting into when they queue, and allow us to set a CP minimum on who we get grouped with when we select a specific dungeon.

Technically he is qualified for the dungeon, it's 10-160 CP. What bothers me more from this was that people said this patch would balance the imperial city dungeons and make the content more easier for PuGs.

Armitas · June 2016

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Would it be any different if a 400CP player joined who just reached level 50 with that character and is poorly geared?

For DPS or healer it's going to matter if they don't have the right gear. Not sure for tank.

karldavy149b16_ESO · June 2016

Armitas wrote: »

Allowing people to blindly queue up for vWGT at 30 cp creates a bad situation for everyone. It's a bad situation for the guy who queued up not knowing the dungeon is far higher in difficulty then he is ready for, and it's a bad situation for everyone else who has to tell him he isn't ready for it.

Please put a recommended CP on each dungeon in the dungeon finder so people know what they are getting into when they queue, and allow us to set a CP minimum on who we get grouped with when we select a specific dungeon.

# elitist i tell u this much gimme a player that knows how to play with 30 cp ... over the player with 501 but as no clue ...

SickDuck · June 2016

The weird thing is with scaling... when doing normal random runs with non-veteran group members the available dungeons are limited by the member's level. For example if there are 3x v501 and one lvl 12 person in the group the game will only throw you into Fungal, Spindle or Banished Cells. I don't see the point of this tbh, but I could imagine having similar system for veteran dungeons (champion dungeons? - I'm confused). For those it would matter more because of places like WGT and ICP.

Armitas · June 2016

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Allowing people to blindly queue up for vWGT at 30 cp creates a bad situation for everyone. It's a bad situation for the guy who queued up not knowing the dungeon is far higher in difficulty then he is ready for, and it's a bad situation for everyone else who has to tell him he isn't ready for it.

Please put a recommended CP on each dungeon in the dungeon finder so people know what they are getting into when they queue, and allow us to set a CP minimum on who we get grouped with when we select a specific dungeon.

# elitist i tell u this much gimme a player that knows how to play with 30 cp ... over the player with 501 but as no clue ...

Go find 3 people at 30cp and 12k health and record you guys doing ICP.

karldavy149b16_ESO · June 2016

heres one thing ive noticed since the groupfinder is broken ... if u need to spam your cp to get grouped your prob a drain on the group ... cp while it will increase ya damage done and reduce damage taken ... still is not an indication of skill .... so many many many really bad players with 501 cp

SickDuck · June 2016

Double. Remove pls.

Armitas · June 2016

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

so many many many really bad players with 501 cp

Weird that you just called me an elitist.

karldavy149b16_ESO · June 2016

i ran a veteran darkshade caverns gold the other day with a cp 30 healer ....
the tank refused to budge ...

until the healer pulled the hole dissapearing adds trick ....

the tank was wow yeah u will do

we one shot every boss got the timed achievement aswell as a no death run ....

so please tell me

would u run with that cp 30 healer ????

Armitas · June 2016

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

i ran a veteran darkshade caverns gold the other day with a cp 30 healer ....
the tank refused to budge ...

until the healer pulled the hole dissapearing adds trick ....

the tank was wow yeah u will do

we one shot every boss got the timed achievement aswell as a no death run ....

so please tell me

would u run with that cp 30 healer ????

Go find 3 people at 30cp and 12k health and record you guys doing ICP. Thanks. If you can't record it let me know how that goes in a coherent story rather than a poem.

karldavy149b16_ESO · June 2016

Armitas wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

i ran a veteran darkshade caverns gold the other day with a cp 30 healer ....
the tank refused to budge ...

until the healer pulled the hole dissapearing adds trick ....

the tank was wow yeah u will do

we one shot every boss got the timed achievement aswell as a no death run ....

so please tell me

would u run with that cp 30 healer ????

Go find 3 people at 30cp and 12k health and record you guys doing ICP.

i would be more interested in streaming you i mean im a good player and dont care about other players cp ...

skill over cp any day of the week

you seem to think that cp can break your game if u have a lack of it ...

so suspect your one of these glass cannon dps players that blame a healer every time you die

Armitas · June 2016

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

i ran a veteran darkshade caverns gold the other day with a cp 30 healer ....
the tank refused to budge ...

until the healer pulled the hole dissapearing adds trick ....

the tank was wow yeah u will do

we one shot every boss got the timed achievement aswell as a no death run ....

so please tell me

would u run with that cp 30 healer ????

Go find 3 people at 30cp and 12k health and record you guys doing ICP.

i would be more interested in streaming you i mean im a good player and dont care about other players cp ...

skill over cp any day of the week

you seem to think that cp can break your game if u have a lack of it ...

so suspect your one of these glass cannon dps players that blame a healer every time you die

I'll take that straw poem as a "no, it would be crazy to do ICP with 3 people at 12k health and 30 CP".

karldavy149b16_ESO · June 2016

would u take a player with 18 k health and 30 cp ?

karldavy149b16_ESO · June 2016

that had lvled annulment ?