Was it always possible to enter an enemy's alliance base in the Imperial Sewers?

TX12001rwb17_ESO · June 2016

Solution stick invulnerable guards everywhere in the bases.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · June 2016

What do you mean are they entering the door and in the area with the vendors and bank? If not that then enemies have always been able to travel to the area immediately outside your home base.

Enodoc · June 2016

SneaK wrote: »

ZOS made that statement yet didn't actually input the immunity a real safe zone has, like in the districts. It's good they're looking into it, I'd hate to lose my stones while in my base, that would suck. I'm just saying to me its the devs fault for releasing broken content, and I think it would be an awful scapegoat for them to just call it an exploit, especially if it takes no abilities to enter the area.

Not new.. In my earlier comment I said if they aren't using abilities (like gap closures) then I don't think it would technically be an exploit. If I can literally walk into your base and kill you, why wouldn't I? Surely the game developers know how players are entering the "safe zones" .... If it's simply hitting the A button to open the door, then that's on ZOS, IMO.

LegacyDM wrote: »

Something got screwed up in the latest update. You could never just simply walk in. Im not at my computer but I'm pretty sure I can't just walk up to the door and press a and walk in. Whatever people are doing to get in, it isnt intended and it's exploiting a bug.

The faction area is equivalent to pve town areas. There is no pvp in towns. Towns have bankers, traders, merchants, bounty boards, and quest givers. IC faction area is no different. It is a safe zone. They don't need to put an aura of protection on you like ladders because there is no requirement for it. Promoting this idea that it is not a safe zone is just wrong and ill conceived.

The idea that because a player exploits a bug it's ZOS's fault has got to stop. Players need to be held accountable for their actions as well. Common sense, being self informed, asking questions, and integrity goes a long way. Now, if player doesn't know what they are doing is a bug than I might agree with you, but in this case, I'm pretty sure you have to actively do something that is blatantly not allowed or questionable activity to access the base. Pretty sure people exploiting this bug are not noobies just walking in.

Not directing this at either of you in particular; just a general comment on exploits and things that aren't intended.

If a bug appears in-game that results in an unintended action being possible, that's on ZOS. If a player makes use of an unintended action, you need to determine their intent. Did they know it was an unintended action? Did they do it on purpose, or happen across it by accident? Having not known it was unintended, and discovering by accident, may result in them continuing to do it without realising they shouldn't be. That would likely be the case if it were simply a case of walking up to the base door and being able to open it. If they did it on purpose and knew that it shouldn't be done, that would certainly be exploiting, and that would be the case if they were using gap-closers on people on the upper level and going in that door, or using the gap closers directly on people going in or out of the door. Since the whole area there has Chain Pull Suppression, gap closers shouldn't be possible.

SneaK · June 2016

LegacyDM wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

@imnotanother
ZOS made that statement yet didn't actually input the immunity a real safe zone has, like in the districts. It's good they're looking into it, I'd hate to lose my stones while in my base, that would suck. I'm just saying to me its the devs fault for releasing broken content, and I think it would be an awful scapegoat for them to just call it an exploit, especially if it takes no abilities to enter the area.

@LegacyDM
Not new.. In my earlier comment I said if they aren't using abilities (like gap closures) then I don't think it would technically be an exploit. If I can literally walk into your base and kill you, why wouldn't I? Surely the game developers know how players are entering the "safe zones" .... If it's simply hitting the A button to open the door, then that's on ZOS, IMO.

Something got screwed up in the latest update. You could never just simply walk in. Im not at my computer but I'm pretty sure I can't just walk up to the door and press a and walk in. Whatever people are doing to get in, it isnt intended and it's exploiting a bug.

The faction area is equivalent to pve town areas. There is no pvp in towns. Towns have bankers, traders, merchants, bounty boards, and quest givers. IC faction area is no different. It is a safe zone. They don't need to put an aura of protection on you like ladders because there is no requirement for it. Promoting this idea that it is not a safe zone is just wrong and ill conceived.

The idea that because a player exploits a bug it's ZOS's fault has got to stop. Players need to be held accountable for their actions as well. Common sense, being self informed, asking questions, and integrity goes a long way. Now, if player doesn't know what they are doing is a bug than I might agree with you, but in this case, I'm pretty sure you have to actively do something that is blatantly not allowed or questionable activity to access the base. Pretty sure people exploiting this bug are not noobies just walking in.

I agree with pretty much all that except the part that people playing video games should be held responsible when said video game allows them to do something they should (probably) morally know is wrong.. Most posters in the beginning are on console, we don't have access to all the cheat engine BS you all have on PC. I think it's night and day different tbh when it comes to liability on PC vs console. So, I agree with you, regarding PC. But let's just say the answer to this title is yes, it was always possible to go into the enemy sewer base, terrain allowed it. > I wouldn't consider that an exploit.

Honestly not trying to defend ganking someone at their banker, that's terrible. I just don't think this deserves a witch hunt. If reporting someone for using a cheat/mod, like flying across the map or invincible Argonian templars in wedding dresses, sure. But reporting people for killing you in a PvP enabled area where you thought you were safe, ehhh..

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Ah, so how long have you been exploiting the base?

Haven't yet.

NordSwordnBoard · June 2016

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO GANK!

This happened to me and a few pals yesterday afternoon. Ganked @ the Bank!

AD were coming through the wall and killing you as you were using the banking menu. Then they pop back out before we could get enough hits to kill 'em. People got reported for it so we'll see what happens. I was more bothered at how much time we wasted trying to get them or just getting the names to report.

I came to the sewers to wade through turds for tel-vars. We shouldn't have any turds in our base; that's where I go to dry off!

EP PS4 Chillrend

Elsonso · June 2016

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Enodoc wrote: »

If a bug appears in-game that results in an unintended action being possible, that's on ZOS. If a player makes use of an unintended action, you need to determine their intent. Did they know it was an unintended action? Did they do it on purpose, or happen across it by accident? Having not known it was unintended, and discovering by accident, may result in them continuing to do it without realising they shouldn't be. That would likely be the case if it were simply a case of walking up to the base door and being able to open it. If they did it on purpose and knew that it shouldn't be done, that would certainly be exploiting, and that would be the case if they were using gap-closers on people on the upper level and going in that door, or using the gap closers directly on people going in or out of the door. Since the whole area there has Chain Pull Suppression, gap closers shouldn't be possible.

This is why ZOS needs to at least send out non-disciplinary WARNINGS when people are using bugs as exploits, and then follow up with a disciplinary warning, temporary ban, or permanent ban if they keep doing it. The manner of disciplinary action should follow their current "three strikes" policy that they seem to have in place.

In this way, the people who have used a bug to their advantage can find out that they should not do it. It assumes that the player is innocent, the first time, and guilty subsequent times.

Nature of the bug and exploit dependent, of course. If the player cannot avoid the bug during normal play, then it is all on ZOS and nothing should be done to the player.

And... ZOS needs to follow up all that with FIXING IT.

KingMagaw · June 2016

4 days no response from Zeni that i have seen.

Is this an exploit or should we all start learning how to do this for free TV stones?

Shameful ZOS cant even reply to state there intentions but thread sweepers like Drayk sweeping all the bad threads under the carpet - Shows there priorities indeed!!

Grao · June 2016

KingMagaw wrote: »

4 days no response from Zeni that i have seen.

Is this an exploit or should we all start learning how to do this for free TV stones?

Shameful ZOS cant even reply to state there intentions but thread sweepers like Drayk sweeping all the bad threads under the carpet - Shows there priorities indeed!!

Isn't this the same bug that allows players to gap close through doors in enemy keeps? If so, all you have to do, from what I've read here in the forum is gap close on to someone going into their base and poof, you will be inside.

It was a bug reported in the PTS of which Zenimax was very much aware and still released it to the live servers.

Silver_Strider · June 2016

KingMagaw wrote: »

4 days no response from Zeni that i have seen.

Is this an exploit or should we all start learning how to do this for free TV stones?

Shameful ZOS cant even reply to state there intentions but thread sweepers like Drayk sweeping all the bad threads under the carpet - Shows there priorities indeed!!

I count it as an exploit and just report everyone I see doing it.
Must have sent about 50 tickets by now.
I have started to see a large decrease in the number of people breaking into the base, at least in Chillrend and Scourge, and I haven't seen any of the people I reported anymore either. Makes me wonder if they did get at least a temporary ban.

Silver_Strider · June 2016

Grao wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

4 days no response from Zeni that i have seen.

Is this an exploit or should we all start learning how to do this for free TV stones?

Shameful ZOS cant even reply to state there intentions but thread sweepers like Drayk sweeping all the bad threads under the carpet - Shows there priorities indeed!!

Isn't this the same bug that allows players to gap close through doors in enemy keeps? If so, all you have to do, from what I've read here in the forum is gap close on to someone going into their base and poof, you will be inside.

It was a bug reported in the PTS of which Zenimax was very much aware and still released it to the live servers.

No, it involves getting uppercut into the wall and walking into the EP base.

KingMagaw · June 2016

Everyone has there opinions that is true, the problem here i see is the lack of ZOS input, apart from Daryk the thread sweeper, sweeping any negative threads away, like that makes the problems go away, so childish.

Where is ZOS stance on this is what im asking?. Have they even replied to this even to state there opinion/intention?

The DEV team here is just shocking. Treat clients/players like dirt with lack of information from there end. Its getting harder to support this type of treatment.
Clients are taking time out to provide feedback which most companies rewards clients to do - Here in the ESO forums your likely to get blasted/ignored, shameful ((

Jaronking · June 2016

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

4 days no response from Zeni that i have seen.

Is this an exploit or should we all start learning how to do this for free TV stones?

Shameful ZOS cant even reply to state there intentions but thread sweepers like Drayk sweeping all the bad threads under the carpet - Shows there priorities indeed!!

Isn't this the same bug that allows players to gap close through doors in enemy keeps? If so, all you have to do, from what I've read here in the forum is gap close on to someone going into their base and poof, you will be inside.

It was a bug reported in the PTS of which Zenimax was very much aware and still released it to the live servers.

No, it involves getting uppercut into the wall and walking into the EP base.

Ohhh if its EP base then I have no problem with it they can keep doing it lol.Jk this sucks but ZOS really need to fix their game.Their a lot of areas you can get into just NY being uppercutted inside its stupid.

KingMagaw · June 2016

I was thinking of playing some IC sewers tonight, as i have purchased the DLC. I however hold little faith that if im banking and someone ganks me in safe area that ZOS would re compensate my lost Tel Var. After all, they have yet to comment either way that i have seen.

So now because of an established exploit its risky to play DLC content i paid for?. 4 days no response from Zeni even though an employee was tagged.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom Care to explain why customer relations are very poor over multiple days?

OR

@ZOS_DaryaK - Care to sweep this topic away so new players don't see? DLC is paid for content, any reason why over 4 days you ignore this topic?

KhajiitiLizard · June 2016

It would make a good horror movie. lol

Silver_Strider · June 2016

I just got word that a guild mate of mine that used the exploit got banned for doing so, so it does appear ZOS is doing something about this.

I'm not sure how long the ban is but at least it is something positive from this.

KingMagaw · June 2016

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I just got word that a guild mate of mine that used the exploit got banned for doing so, so it does appear ZOS is doing something about this.

I'm not sure how long the ban is but at least it is something positive from this.

Nice for some information mate. How much is ESO a shambles when players are informing players of whats happening, when the company blatantly ignores forum topics on this as they are liable. Lost TV stones because a hack into someone safe area. What are they thinking its best to ignore the community i dont know - paid for DLC as it is.

I am going to keep spamming this question until i get an answer from them i think. IC is paid for DLC, least they could do is knowledge this and work on a fix.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom Care to explain why customer relations are very poor over multiple days?

OR

@ZOS_DaryaK - Care to sweep this topic away so new players don't see? DLC is paid for content, any reason why over 4/5 days you ignore this topic?

Digiman · June 2016

dsalter wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

Yeah, doesn't happen often, but I thought it had been there all along.

the recent "gap closers" programming derp caused it. bet they either had 2 handers or were NB

Wait is this accurate? If it is it would make sense. However recently there had been surge of cheaters using programs to fly and cause mario type jumps to abate restrictions.

Quite frankly I am with the cynical people saying ZoS doesn't care at this point, huge videos were brought to light about the exploits and they required a mass amount of reports to decide to attend to it.

Me I am wondering why I keep subbing to game like this, or why ZoS management keeps the current team of developers employed for what they pay them

On top of the crippling the bugs that nuked my weekend of planned enjoyment of this game I now hear they screwed the pooch on cheaters also.

Sorry but any moderator reading this, you deserve to be fired and left desolate on the streets while starving.

Pomaikai · June 2016

I think a QuakeCon confrontation may be in order...

Lucky28 · June 2016

what is it with @Wrobel and making gap closers ridiculously OP/broken as ***?.

lolo_01b16_ESO · June 2016

Are you sure it's a bug with gap closers? I know that since we have cross alliance pve groups it can mess up your spawn point in pvp so it can easiely happen by accident that you spawn at the wrong base in cyrodiil (and instantly die to the scroll protection barrier). I could imagine that something similar can also happen in IC.

Jaronking · June 2016

Digiman wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

Yeah, doesn't happen often, but I thought it had been there all along.

the recent "gap closers" programming derp caused it. bet they either had 2 handers or were NB

Wait is this accurate? If it is it would make sense. However recently there had been surge of cheaters using programs to fly and cause mario type jumps to abate restrictions.

Quite frankly I am with the cynical people saying ZoS doesn't care at this point, huge videos were brought to light about the exploits and they required a mass amount of reports to decide to attend to it.

Me I am wondering why I keep subbing to game like this, or why ZoS management keeps the current team of developers employed for what they pay them

On top of the crippling the bugs that nuked my weekend of planned enjoyment of this game I now hear they screwed the pooch on cheaters also.

Sorry but any moderator reading this, you deserve to be fired and left desolate on the streets while starving.

You can't use gap closer by another faction IC entrance so its not that.

Zaldan · June 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Aren't you supposed to insta-die if you manage to enter an enemy base?

in cyrodiil yes but not in IC

Zaldan · June 2016

KingMagaw wrote: »

I was thinking of playing some IC sewers tonight, as i have purchased the DLC. I however hold little faith that if im banking and someone ganks me in safe area that ZOS would re compensate my lost Tel Var. After all, they have yet to comment either way that i have seen.

So now because of an established exploit its risky to play DLC content i paid for?. 4 days no response from Zeni even though an employee was tagged.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom Care to explain why customer relations are very poor over multiple days?

OR

@ZOS_DaryaK - Care to sweep this topic away so new players don't see? DLC is paid for content, any reason why over 4 days you ignore this topic?

it's the weekend, wait till monday

acw37162 · June 2016

If you decide to go stone-ganking in this vein and get reported say goodbye to your account.

GreenhaloX · June 2016

With all these exploits and cheating in Cyrodiil going on, I'm sure it's quite the turn-off for many players in going back into PvP and Cyrodiil. I have seen so many posts on cheating/exploiters and am wanting to believe these occurrences are isolated and not daily. I have other tasks in hand to accomplish before I fully dive in Cyrodiil and PvP. So, pretty much if you accomplish everything else in ESO and its DLCs, then PvP is what's left. If I keep running into these cheaters/exploiters from the other pacts, yes, it would be a turn-off for me to go back into Cyrodiil or continue on with ESO.

Zepiroth · June 2016

One does not simply walk into mord... Enemies Base... Except your name is Frodo or Sam