Was it always possible to enter an enemy's alliance base in the Imperial Sewers?

FrostFallFox

This happened to me just now, Chillrend NA PS4 Ebonheart Pact. Three AD members hid near the banker and started killing people! I'm scared.

newtinmpls

Yeah, doesn't happen often, but I thought it had been there all along.

dsalter

newtinmpls wrote: »

Yeah, doesn't happen often, but I thought it had been there all along.

the recent "gap closers" programming derp caused it. bet they either had 2 handers or were NB

Tryxus

Aren't you supposed to insta-die if you manage to enter an enemy base?

DannyLV702

Tryxus wrote: »

Aren't you supposed to insta-die if you manage to enter an enemy base?

Nope. There's a video that was posted a few weeks ago where a random AD behind a wall is killing people near the bank through the walls. That thread didn't get too much attention for some reason, but it did get a zos reply saying they are looking into it.

DannyLV702

FrostFallFox wrote: »

This happened to me just now, Chillrend NA PS4 Ebonheart Pact. Three AD members hid near the banker and started killing people! I'm scared.

Let them kill you multiple times, and save the video along with the death recap to catch names. What they are doing is an exploit and it's been going on for a while now

daemonios

DannyLV702 wrote: »

FrostFallFox wrote: »

This happened to me just now, Chillrend NA PS4 Ebonheart Pact. Three AD members hid near the banker and started killing people! I'm scared.

Let them kill you multiple times, and save the video along with the death recap to catch names. What they are doing is an exploit and it's been going on for a while now

Lol. Good luck getting action on exploits. Sorry I'm so cynical but recent history shows ZOS couldn't care less.

Sleep

i guess the wall is too thin

KingMagaw

These are just a few blatant exploiters who most likely learned this and are stupid enough to do in a group, or repeatedly.

This been going a while - ZOS knows, no fix - working as intended. 2 days in a row maintenance and game still bugged out.

Don't bother asking ZOS for the Tel Var they stole. When i asked about TV to Zeni in support ticket , they said couldnt tell me, the account holder, how much i have as they dont give out that information, even though its my own account lol

yodased

please record all cheating activites and post it at esocheaters.com

Lenikus

daemonios wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

FrostFallFox wrote: »

This happened to me just now, Chillrend NA PS4 Ebonheart Pact. Three AD members hid near the banker and started killing people! I'm scared.

Let them kill you multiple times, and save the video along with the death recap to catch names. What they are doing is an exploit and it's been going on for a while now

Lol. Good luck getting action on exploits. Sorry I'm so cynical but recent history shows ZOS couldn't care less.

Just because Zenimax doesn't tell you what they do, and the reply to the ticket is a copy paste, doesn't mean they sit on it.
They just don't inform you of the result of the investigation (and they're right on not doing so)

Silver_Strider

It's Unreal *** Bag, isn't it? Can't kill people with his s*** Sorc so he needs to exploit for kills.
Did he teach his little friends how to exploit that? Wouldn't doubt it.
I reported him around the 28th last month with video evidence with his name attached on it.
If it is him and ZOS hasn't already banned him, despite 2 videos and reports from god knows how many people...well, I'd say I'd have lost faith in ZOS but that would be a lie as I lost that about a year ago so I'll just say he's also in Scourge so just avoid the sewers of those 2 Campaigns until ZOS decides to do something about it although I wouldn't get my hopes up anytime soon.

Enodoc

Tryxus wrote: »

Aren't you supposed to insta-die if you manage to enter an enemy base?

That only applies to the Border Keeps in Cyrodiil. The same thing doesn't occur in the Sewer Bases.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler Could you look into adding insta-death for players making it into an enemy faction's sewer base? Perhaps also consider adding faction guards to the raised area outside the base; they would be able to attack enemy players who get too close, while being on the raised area would stop them from being attacked easily (at least, once the gap closer issue is fixed).

OGLezard

yodased wrote: »

please record all cheating activites and post it at esocheaters.com

This, so much this. There is now an outlet to post your videos and no worry of naming and shaming.

Rex-Umbra

Damn I have walked around with 100k stones in my base glad I know to not do that now.

Mettaricana

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Aren't you supposed to insta-die if you manage to enter an enemy base?

Nope. There's a video that was posted a few weeks ago where a random AD behind a wall is killing people near the bank through the walls. That thread didn't get too much attention for some reason, but it did get a zos reply saying they are looking into it.

Lmfao I'd be scared shitless not safe in my base lol I'd call tge banker a traitor to a faction

RAGUNAnoOne

daemonios wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

FrostFallFox wrote: »

This happened to me just now, Chillrend NA PS4 Ebonheart Pact. Three AD members hid near the banker and started killing people! I'm scared.

Let them kill you multiple times, and save the video along with the death recap to catch names. What they are doing is an exploit and it's been going on for a while now

Lol. Good luck getting action on exploits. Sorry I'm so cynical but recent history shows ZOS couldn't care less.

@daemonios didn't they crack down on the ultimate exploit?

Elsonso

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

FrostFallFox wrote: »

This happened to me just now, Chillrend NA PS4 Ebonheart Pact. Three AD members hid near the banker and started killing people! I'm scared.

Let them kill you multiple times, and save the video along with the death recap to catch names. What they are doing is an exploit and it's been going on for a while now

Lol. Good luck getting action on exploits. Sorry I'm so cynical but recent history shows ZOS couldn't care less.

@daemonios didn't they crack down on the ultimate exploit?

They do care, actually. They banned 40-some people for the ultimate exploit.

However, if things go as I think they usually do, ZOS lost confidence in their ability to accurately detect the exploit and have unbanned a number of those people. I think they lack the ability to really tell whether someone is cheating instead of being a strange edge case, and be absolutely sure about it, so appeals may have a high success rate.

Now, my issue is not with the number of bans and unbans. My issue is with the accuracy of them. They need to find a way to be sure and ban accordingly, and that ban should stick because they are sure. They need to work to eliminate the ambiguity in the data and the unaccounted for edge cases that allow cheaters and exploiters to get away with it, even if originally banned.

Since they don't give out statistics of bans, and bans that are not successfully appealed, the testimony of the people who were banned and then unbanned, or simply got away with it, or saw someone who is still getting away with it, hold more weight than anything that ZOS is saying right now. Those testimonies can be fraught with deception.

chaserstorm16909

It just happened to me too in the EP base on Scourge. And yes the offender was an AD nightblade. I made another thread with the hopes of drawing ZOS' attention a little more.

Teridaxus

Everyone freezed around me, ally and foe and i could kill them all with simple light attacks
The npcs were not affected..., also i asked in chat for other people and they could respond. No idea what happened.
Happened in imperial city.

Pvp becomes more and more *** up...

imnotanother

I did not realize this was such a problem and ZOS is aware!

What is going on ZOS with your customer support? Why are these players allowed to continue to play?

The budget must be so tight that they need to keep any potential crown purchaser playing, even if the undisciplined cheating players drive the current subbing players away...in droves.

SneaK

I don't understand how you could even say it's an exploit with how many broken areas there are in IC.

imnotanother

SneaK wrote: »

I don't understand how you could even say it's an exploit with how many broken areas there are in IC.

Could you explain your thought process and how you came to this conclusion?

I believe it is an exploit because a player is at their base and should feel protected by the walls. They should not fear being killed by an enemy who should not be allowed to enter the base.

SneaK

imnotanother wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

I don't understand how you could even say it's an exploit with how many broken areas there are in IC.

Could you explain your thought process and how you came to this conclusion?

I believe it is an exploit because a player is at their base and should feel protected by the walls. They should not fear being killed by an enemy who should not be allowed to enter the base.

IC is technically a PvP zone right? If I can walk into your base without using any special abilities then how would that be exploiting? Again, technically, your only safe zone in IC is after using a ladder or respawning in districts.

imnotanother

Edit to add:
It really bothered me because I remember the base being a safe zone... So I went back to the August patch notes when the DLC was released; here is the fact.

When you enter the Imperial City, you'll arrive in your alliance's home base location—a safe area within the Imperial Sewers.

@SneaK
Thank you for taking the time to post your "reasoning", even though I disagree.
On May 28th, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom stated they are investigating the issue. To me, that means it is a bug that is being exploited.

To apply common sense, when has a base, in any context, allowed enemies to enter willingly?

LegacyDM

SneaK wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

I don't understand how you could even say it's an exploit with how many broken areas there are in IC.

Could you explain your thought process and how you came to this conclusion?

I believe it is an exploit because a player is at their base and should feel protected by the walls. They should not fear being killed by an enemy who should not be allowed to enter the base.

IC is technically a PvP zone right? If I can walk into your base without using any special abilities then how would that be exploiting? Again, technically, your only safe zone in IC is after using a ladder or respawning in districts.

Are you serious?! How long have you been playing this game? If your new I understand but this is a no brainer and clearly a bug. Since the day ic was released gap closers have been disabled in room before base. Doors were never interactable to enemy faction? What evidence concluded you to believe that this is not an exploit? Or acceptable by any means? I don't know if your trolling or new?

SneaK

@imnotanother
ZOS made that statement yet didn't actually input the immunity a real safe zone has, like in the districts. It's good they're looking into it, I'd hate to lose my stones while in my base, that would suck. I'm just saying to me its the devs fault for releasing broken content, and I think it would be an awful scapegoat for them to just call it an exploit, especially if it takes no abilities to enter the area.


@LegacyDM
Not new.. In my earlier comment I said if they aren't using abilities (like gap closures) then I don't think it would technically be an exploit. If I can literally walk into your base and kill you, why wouldn't I? Surely the game developers know how players are entering the "safe zones" .... If it's simply hitting the A button to open the door, then that's on ZOS, IMO.

Wreuntzylla

SneaK wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

I don't understand how you could even say it's an exploit with how many broken areas there are in IC.

Could you explain your thought process and how you came to this conclusion?

I believe it is an exploit because a player is at their base and should feel protected by the walls. They should not fear being killed by an enemy who should not be allowed to enter the base.

IC is technically a PvP zone right? If I can walk into your base without using any special abilities then how would that be exploiting? Again, technically, your only safe zone in IC is after using a ladder or respawning in districts.

Ah, so how long have you been exploiting the base?

Curragraigue

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Aren't you supposed to insta-die if you manage to enter an enemy base?

Nope. There's a video that was posted a few weeks ago where a random AD behind a wall is killing people near the bank through the walls. That thread didn't get too much attention for some reason, but it did get a zos reply saying they are looking into it.

That video showed the enemy player in the roof or wall from memory not in the base itself

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3018173/#Comment_3018173

Added the link with the recording

LegacyDM

SneaK wrote: »

@imnotanother
ZOS made that statement yet didn't actually input the immunity a real safe zone has, like in the districts. It's good they're looking into it, I'd hate to lose my stones while in my base, that would suck. I'm just saying to me its the devs fault for releasing broken content, and I think it would be an awful scapegoat for them to just call it an exploit, especially if it takes no abilities to enter the area.

@LegacyDM
Not new.. In my earlier comment I said if they aren't using abilities (like gap closures) then I don't think it would technically be an exploit. If I can literally walk into your base and kill you, why wouldn't I? Surely the game developers know how players are entering the "safe zones" .... If it's simply hitting the A button to open the door, then that's on ZOS, IMO.

Something got screwed up in the latest update. You could never just simply walk in. Im not at my computer but I'm pretty sure I can't just walk up to the door and press a and walk in. Whatever people are doing to get in, it isnt intended and it's exploiting a bug.

The faction area is equivalent to pve town areas. There is no pvp in towns. Towns have bankers, traders, merchants, bounty boards, and quest givers. IC faction area is no different. It is a safe zone. They don't need to put an aura of protection on you like ladders because there is no requirement for it. Promoting this idea that it is not a safe zone is just wrong and ill conceived.

The idea that because a player exploits a bug it's ZOS's fault has got to stop. Players need to be held accountable for their actions as well. Common sense, being self informed, asking questions, and integrity goes a long way. Now, if player doesn't know what they are doing is a bug than I might agree with you, but in this case, I'm pretty sure you have to actively do something that is blatantly not allowed or questionable activity to access the base. Pretty sure people exploiting this bug are not noobies just walking in.

Whatzituyah

Doesn't really need to be explained when they fix this but for laughs I think the death recap should say "killer: wall/door, killing blow: your not a ghost..."