From PC to Console player.Console players please listen.

mr1sho · June 2016

As someone who Plays both PC and console find this thread very Elitest there's hardcore gamers on both PC and console and there's are casuals can't just group everyone in one group

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Rainteal wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

No butt hurt here. I am just hitting this gentleman back with some sarcasm and ribbing him for calling out a generalization of people on console and their knowledge when he has demonstrated himself as lacking knowledge.

Not having completed vICP or vWGT doesn't mean you're not knowledgeable and efficient on any other dungeon mechanics.
And pointing out an issue for a group of people doesn't mean that everyone has to be or feel included and concerned.
I guess you just felt the need to be sarcastic no matter what.

I think it is fair to make the argument that someone who has not cleared 8 month old content lacks broad knowledge of the game. Couple that with some suspect statements about his bar choices and the argument becomes compelling. I do not take issue with someone not knowing those dungeons. I take issue with someone who is claiming to be more knowledgeable than the majority of a particular player base having not cleared all of the game's content.

Not everyone fits the mold the OP was referring to on console, but I do not believe his assessment was even close to the mark. I run with my guilds often, but I do use the grouping tool for PuGs as well. I have run into some very poor players and groups, but more often than not, the groups are decent enough to complete the activity. I must wonder if the OP in question was the weak link in the groups that caused the failures. The old saying that "if you spend all your time looking around at how jacked up everybody around you is, it might be time to take a look in the mirror to make sure the jacked up one isn't you" might apply here.

Edit: double negative

Here is this.I took this idea from a healer friend who always take screenshots when she gets a role compliment.I started doing the same but just took 4 screenshots before my PC died.read the chat.

http://imgur.com/a/NuMDw

3rd photo is my temp tank Tita Goodheart.

in the last photo the player refer to me as a monster (monster tank) after i raised the other 3 players 2 times preventing a wipe in vet DC last boss.They died again for the 3rd time and when my ult got ready for me to raise them for the 3rd time I died.

But better yet,im on ps4/NA we can grp and you can see for yourself.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Oompuh wrote: »

Someone said the Maw has to be tanked in the fire?? I do that for fun because he doesn't do enough damage. 90% of players have no idea how to min/max or put out decent damage. As a tank this really frustrates me because I can't use group finder and expect a quick dungeon.

lol no,worst he told me it has to be tanked on the fire traps on the entrance of the room

KingYogi415 · June 2016

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1
1. All hybrid builds are completely useless, This shows your complete lack of understanding the fundimental basics of the game
2. When in a 12 man group their is a leader, if you do not listen to the leader you are one ruining the run!

I would like to take the liberty to speak on behalf of all console and ask you make your move back to PC and make it your home!
Cheers!

Curragraigue · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

I am also a bit interested in knowing about his back-bar Resto staff tank build. I assume he is doing so on a Magicka tank right? Players on console with no knowledge of anything because we don't have access to text chat and the internet might never be questioning his build if he were, say, using a back-bar Resto as a stam tank right?

Just wondering...

I use a resto on my tank too.

I use a magica nightblade sap tank.

Sword and board/resto. 28k health, 28k magica, 16k stam. Resists at about 28k each when buffed. Use kagernacs, baharas curse and engine guardian. Tanked every dungeon with no healer. Never tried trials, not my thing.

Even kick out some dps. Managed to get valkyn skoria's health bar down a quarter by myself with no platforms left the other night.

I probably have a bad build though, being on console and that.

Yup, Resto back bar Magicka tank/healer is a great build. I was not knocking that. I hope I didn't come off that way with my posts dripping of sarcasm. Apologies if I did!

I was wondering if the OP was trying to back-bar a Resto Stick on a Stamina build and got called out for it. Since he was talking about being more knowledgeable...

Why should i do that? i know about tanking builds,I said it before,I am in no need to lie or anything.BTW Tank is the only build that you may call a " hibrid" as a tank you need to spend on the 3 stats.Probably not equalyy in each stats,you my have more mag than stam or viceversa.

BTW,this is the guy who called me as *** tank.We get to maw of infernal in vet BC.There is 2 ways of tanking this boss that I know.One is you as a tank get the debuff and kite the boss close to the walls of the room to not leave fire in the middle of the room.2nd way i know is if your build is optimized and you can stand in the fire without problem then do that.

So I taunt the boss and proceed with the kiting.The guy that calls me bad tank proceed then to say" what what are you doing,you tank him like this" and he as DPs taunted the boss( yeah he had a taunt in his bar as DPS) and say that i have to tank the boss on the fire traps on the entrance of the room.For me thats totally new,but im open to new things,so I taunt the boss off of him and proceed to the traps after he dies for standing in the boss fire and traps,then I die too.

Then comes the childish behavior.I told him to lets try the kiting and he just proceed to interrupt my talking with continiuosly saying,*** tank,*** tank.Then he start making fun of my accent.I told him, now you are being racist,are you racist? he say,no only with your race.Then proceed not to kick me off the grp,but to disband it.Yup thats the guy who called me bad tank.

I know *** like this may happen on pc to but for the many runs I have done,that actitud prevails on console.But that guy was an ass.In many runs I find ppl very ignorant of mechanics which I then proceed,if they are in V chat whic is not always,to explain the mechanics and with some times and wipes they get it.But would not be awesome if they go and study those mechanics before hand like me and many others do?Which is the point of my thread.

This sounds like your real complaint which is very different from your first post. So you were annoyed by a racist idiot hardly a reason to malign all console players.

Anzriel · June 2016

This thread though...

The reality is most players on all platforms are pretty bad and uninformed. Trying to figure out which one has more/fewer baddies is just pointless.

Mjollo · June 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Interesting. I did the opposite. Had several vet toons on PC and millions in gold. Left it to start over on console. Would never go back.

Whatever makes it more enjoyable for you to play the game...Do that.

Agreed. You didn't do the whole account transfer thing though?

Foreverxghosty · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

First i have to say that pardon my not perfect english,its my 2nd language.I have been playing this game since beta on PC.I have been playing as a tank since release.I have tanked,DPS and healed every single vet dungeon( ecept WGT and IP)Now I am playing on console and this is the imppresion I get after running countless dungeons in console;console players are very uninformed about the mechanics of this game and the result are lots of fail runs.No wonder from where the uncompleted dungeons data that ZOS get are coming from.

I have seen so many wrong things,from people reading the opus when not needed to players saying that no tank use resto staff( i like S&B on both bar,but a resto in 1 bar is viable),people telling me that Maw of the infernal has to be tanked on the fire trap,if not its a wipe.I have seen most of the DD barely doing any damage at all.Overall you can quickly notice the difference in player skills between console and PC after you have run many dungeons.Dont get me wrong i have got in groups with very skilled players but is so rare.

I think the reason why you find more skilled players in PC than console first come from text chat.On text chat on PC you can read people talking about mechanics in guild and zone chat.Thats free info for the uninformed.Also seems like many people get shy to talk on voice chat.Of all the many runs i have done on console I would say 50% dont use Vchat.Which is frustrating because you want to teach them the mechanics but you cant.But that is a problem that will be eliminated once ZOS implement text chat on console.

Now the second reason i think there is more skilled players in PC than console is access to web information (easy to access on PC) and that many console players are new to the MMO genre and are not used to search the web (the big player manual) to get the info they needs.

So here i say to console players.MMOs looks easy to play and master on the surface but under the hood there is a lot of info and mechanics that the game dont supply to the players that will totally make you a better player.You can find all that info on the web,plenty of sites with that info you are missing.

So go console players, check the info on the net.Make yourself a better player and you will totally enjoy more the game.There will be less fail runs and lot less frustration and wasted time for everyone . Also there be less nerf to dungeons I think.

I hope this help many players.

I have to say that I do not agree with your post. I do agree that PC players have a more technical way of playing in terms of using keyboard and mouse and also having addons that calculate everything for them. However, most experience console players like my self play off pure instinct and have to beat most hard content without buff timers, health percentages, etc. People say console players have it easy but I believe it's the other way around. And a lot of people use the in game voice chat on console much I wish they wouldnt. You would have to play to understand console. Console has its perks but it also has it disadvantages. But console players IMO have to work harder become better.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

PC Master Race Threads should be locked and their OPs should receive a warning. The Mods posted this big spiel about being respectful to each other and they look the other way whenever threads like this are started. Where its nothing but trash talking and mud slung at the community by the community.

agree but you know why its not happening,because moderators see the real positive purpose of the OP.they see that my intention was to make other players better by participating in community outside the game.They dont look at the thread the way many in this thread are doing, changing the meaning of my post to negative purpose and me being elitist,bad player, cocky ect ect.The thing is none of that is reflected on the OP so,for some reason,I think is many getting offended even tho my post has little to offend,many has changed the meaning to a negative thing.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1

You just got reemed here for saying you use a staffs as a dk tank.
Now you are admitting that even console players have told you are a bad tank.

This is your' self described tanking build: "DK tank S&B in both bars as well as a resto and sometimes a destro staff"

Sounds like you have been carried a lot on PC and now cant stop QQ'ing about having to use teamwork.

And you follow that up with a ironically condescending:
"I suggest for you to be a little more thoughtful before posting.Makes you looks better."

Do you know about tanking? prove it to me.Tell me info about tanking and ask me questions.

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

PC Master Race Threads should be locked and their OPs should receive a warning. The Mods posted this big spiel about being respectful to each other and they look the other way whenever threads like this are started. Where its nothing but trash talking and mud slung at the community by the community.

agree but you know why its not happening,because moderators see the real positive purpose of the OP.they see that my intention was to make other players better by participating in community outside the game.They dont look at the thread the way many in this thread are doing, changing the meaning of my post to negative purpose and me being elitist,bad player, cocky ect ect.The thing is none of that is reflected on the OP so,for some reason,I think is many getting offended even tho my post has little to offend,many has changed the meaning to a negative thing.

Youre being cocky in assuming why they havent shut this down yet.

Mjollo · June 2016

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

-snip-

First of all, BB code. Learn it, live it, love it.

Secondly, this very post is an example of somebody taking this thread too personal so thanks for proving my point. If you haven't read the first 3 pages, I would recommend that you do since that's what adults do and I'm not your dad who shouldn't have to hold your hand and point out the obvious.

Regarding, statistics. Why is it something you're so ill-informed about? Especially being a console player trying to prove how tough he is, you'd think major aspects such as aim assist, keybindings, and aim sensitivity wouldn't be something to slip the mind.

As far as my personal experience, it means Everything. It means that I'm allowed to have a strong view on the specific subject because I've seen both sides. So I know both sides very well. And the debuffer isn't for dots. It's so I can keep track of where my shade is during PvP. Thanks, bae.

MuddledMuppet · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

PC Master Race Threads should be locked and their OPs should receive a warning. The Mods posted this big spiel about being respectful to each other and they look the other way whenever threads like this are started. Where its nothing but trash talking and mud slung at the community by the community.

agree but you know why its not happening,because moderators see the real positive purpose of the OP..

From your op:
Now I am playing on console and this is the imppresion I get after running countless dungeons in console;console players are very uninformed about the mechanics of this game and the result are lots of fail runs.No wonder from where the uncompleted dungeons data that ZOS get are coming from

Yup, bursting with positivity

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1
1. All hybrid builds are completely useless, This shows your complete lack of understanding the fundimental basics of the game
2. When in a 12 man group their is a leader, if you do not listen to the leader you are one ruining the run!

I would like to take the liberty to speak on behalf of all console and ask you make your move back to PC and make it your home!
Cheers!

dude really,you are talking nonsense

1.(looks like you just repeat whatever someone tells you without checking its veracity)DPS and healer hybrid is useless.For a tank you have to be lightly hibrid.Even if you are a stam tank you need to get some way to get magika because many of the awesome skills for tank are on the class skill lines,a good example is DK tank.If you are a magika tank you need a way to get stam for blocking,roll dodge and breakk free and then there is health.As a tank you cant copmpletly neglect a stat.There may be a few players that do,but im sure they would not perform better than a slightly hibrid tank.You know,hybrids were a thing in old ESO.Do you know how and when they got useless beside tanks?Also,why do you think many tanks use prismatic enchant.Inform yourself.

2.what are you talking about the leader thing? where did I mentioned not following the leader? oh you mean that childish guy who told me to tank the boss on the fire traps?a mechanic no one has seen before and that will actually kill the grp asap? thats what you men?Is that the kind of leaders you follow and aspire to be?

ESO its not my 1st MMO i understand very well group content.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Curragraigue wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

I am also a bit interested in knowing about his back-bar Resto staff tank build. I assume he is doing so on a Magicka tank right? Players on console with no knowledge of anything because we don't have access to text chat and the internet might never be questioning his build if he were, say, using a back-bar Resto as a stam tank right?

Just wondering...

I use a resto on my tank too.

I use a magica nightblade sap tank.

Sword and board/resto. 28k health, 28k magica, 16k stam. Resists at about 28k each when buffed. Use kagernacs, baharas curse and engine guardian. Tanked every dungeon with no healer. Never tried trials, not my thing.

Even kick out some dps. Managed to get valkyn skoria's health bar down a quarter by myself with no platforms left the other night.

I probably have a bad build though, being on console and that.

Yup, Resto back bar Magicka tank/healer is a great build. I was not knocking that. I hope I didn't come off that way with my posts dripping of sarcasm. Apologies if I did!

I was wondering if the OP was trying to back-bar a Resto Stick on a Stamina build and got called out for it. Since he was talking about being more knowledgeable...

Why should i do that? i know about tanking builds,I said it before,I am in no need to lie or anything.BTW Tank is the only build that you may call a " hibrid" as a tank you need to spend on the 3 stats.Probably not equalyy in each stats,you my have more mag than stam or viceversa.

BTW,this is the guy who called me as *** tank.We get to maw of infernal in vet BC.There is 2 ways of tanking this boss that I know.One is you as a tank get the debuff and kite the boss close to the walls of the room to not leave fire in the middle of the room.2nd way i know is if your build is optimized and you can stand in the fire without problem then do that.

So I taunt the boss and proceed with the kiting.The guy that calls me bad tank proceed then to say" what what are you doing,you tank him like this" and he as DPs taunted the boss( yeah he had a taunt in his bar as DPS) and say that i have to tank the boss on the fire traps on the entrance of the room.For me thats totally new,but im open to new things,so I taunt the boss off of him and proceed to the traps after he dies for standing in the boss fire and traps,then I die too.

Then comes the childish behavior.I told him to lets try the kiting and he just proceed to interrupt my talking with continiuosly saying,*** tank,*** tank.Then he start making fun of my accent.I told him, now you are being racist,are you racist? he say,no only with your race.Then proceed not to kick me off the grp,but to disband it.Yup thats the guy who called me bad tank.

I know *** like this may happen on pc to but for the many runs I have done,that actitud prevails on console.But that guy was an ass.In many runs I find ppl very ignorant of mechanics which I then proceed,if they are in V chat whic is not always,to explain the mechanics and with some times and wipes they get it.But would not be awesome if they go and study those mechanics before hand like me and many others do?Which is the point of my thread.

This sounds like your real complaint which is very different from your first post. So you were annoyed by a racist idiot hardly a reason to malign all console players.

no I complaining about the many players that I find on console that dont know the mechanics of dungeons, that me, after running dungeons non stop since lvl 12 and ran many more dungeons on PC,found that that kind of player are more in console.Cant you see that was 1 example? Im sure you knew that was 1 example( I hope so) but you have to change everythig with the goal of messing the thread.And stop saying " all console" like many are doing,I never say that.

KingYogi415 · June 2016

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Ok what gear sets do you use for tanking?

What does you skill bar look like when you tank a vet dungeon?

What do you stats and damage look like when you split you stats 3 ways?

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

PC Master Race Threads should be locked and their OPs should receive a warning. The Mods posted this big spiel about being respectful to each other and they look the other way whenever threads like this are started. Where its nothing but trash talking and mud slung at the community by the community.

agree but you know why its not happening,because moderators see the real positive purpose of the OP..

From your op:
Now I am playing on console and this is the imppresion I get after running countless dungeons in console;console players are very uninformed about the mechanics of this game and the result are lots of fail runs.No wonder from where the uncompleted dungeons data that ZOS get are coming from

Yup, bursting with positivity

Your post just prove how sensitve and offended you and many others are getting.Tell me,on that quote where the insults and negativity are.Break it down on another post and explain where all that negativity is.Please do, I want to see,I may learn something,tho I doubt it.

Mojmir · June 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFllGCIzkMU

Please find a PC player who can do this (WITHOUT CHEAT ENGINE) and we can agree all platforms are equal!

a magblade can do that on a commodore 64 with dial up LOL,platform doesnt matter.

hamgatan · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

people telling me that Maw of the infernal has to be tanked on the fire trap,if not its a wipe.I have seen most of the DD barely doing any damage at all

You mean something Deltia sprouted isn't true and his legion of followers are misinformed? No.. that can't possibly be true *rolls eyes* shock horror!

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Ok what gear sets do you use for tanking?

What does you skill bar look like when you tank a vet dungeon?

What do you stats and damage look like when you split you stats 3 ways?

haha,lets be fair here I asked you 1rst for your knowledge about tanking.While you do that Ill try to answer you questions in a short way which is hard since there is a lot of info for the answers to those questions and I dont want to change this thread into a tanking guide.i gladly answer after you give me your knowledge of tanking.Deal?

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

PC Master Race Threads should be locked and their OPs should receive a warning. The Mods posted this big spiel about being respectful to each other and they look the other way whenever threads like this are started. Where its nothing but trash talking and mud slung at the community by the community.

agree but you know why its not happening,because moderators see the real positive purpose of the OP..

From your op:
Now I am playing on console and this is the imppresion I get after running countless dungeons in console;console players are very uninformed about the mechanics of this game and the result are lots of fail runs.No wonder from where the uncompleted dungeons data that ZOS get are coming from

Yup, bursting with positivity

Your post just prove how sensitve and offended you and many others are getting.Tell me,on that quote where the insults and negativity are.Break it down on another post and explain where all that negativity is.Please do, I want to see,I may learn something,tho I doubt it.

When you create a thread thats condescending and then the thread blows up with players being insulting. Yes, people are going to take offense to that. This thread has done nothing but foster even more division between console and pc players. Youve added to the problem here. Not fixed anything.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

hamgatan wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

people telling me that Maw of the infernal has to be tanked on the fire trap,if not its a wipe.I have seen most of the DD barely doing any damage at all

You mean something Deltia sprouted isn't true and his legion of followers are misinformed? No.. that can't possibly be true *rolls eyes* shock horror!

link please

Mojmir · June 2016

i think we can all agree,android has the best OS

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

PC Master Race Threads should be locked and their OPs should receive a warning. The Mods posted this big spiel about being respectful to each other and they look the other way whenever threads like this are started. Where its nothing but trash talking and mud slung at the community by the community.

agree but you know why its not happening,because moderators see the real positive purpose of the OP..

From your op:
Now I am playing on console and this is the imppresion I get after running countless dungeons in console;console players are very uninformed about the mechanics of this game and the result are lots of fail runs.No wonder from where the uncompleted dungeons data that ZOS get are coming from

Yup, bursting with positivity

Your post just prove how sensitve and offended you and many others are getting.Tell me,on that quote where the insults and negativity are.Break it down on another post and explain where all that negativity is.Please do, I want to see,I may learn something,tho I doubt it.

When you create a thread thats condescending and then the thread blows up with players being insulting. Yes, people are going to take offense to that. This thread has done nothing but foster even more division between console and pc players. Youve added to the problem here. Not fixed anything.

My OP was not condescending,im not trying to show or patronize superiority.I ,with humble,learn from superior players,which are many.The thread blow into players being insulted its not my fault is them being sensitive for I dont know what reasons and being inmature to really see the purpose of the thread and failing to supress emotions to make rational posts.If this thread is fosting division surely is because the already mentioned forum poster mentality.I added to the problem here? i think that yes,by posting in this forums.its the 1st time i make a thread of this kind and I already learned how hard it is to contribute in a positive way in this forums.Which is a shame.Big mistake on my part.

Ill put some links of guides and stuff on the OP for mature players that understand.That sliped on my mind.But i dont think ill do more helpfull threads on this forums.I was one of those who think that devs participating more on outside community forums was stupid.Now I see the devs are right on doing it.I learned,experience makes you wise like they say.

KingYogi415 · June 2016

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Lol you tell me to ask you about tanking and cant even tell what gear sets you use....
Suspectttt!
Do you even use crafted set gear?
Where you even vet 16 on PC??

I saptank with 23k health and 37k magic 3k spellpower . proxy det, batsworm, inner fire and kite.

Mojmir · June 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Lol you tell me to ask you about tanking and cant even tell what gear sets you use....
Suspectttt!
Do you even use crafted set gear?
Where you even vet 16 on PC??

I saptank with 23k health and 37k magic 3k spellpower . proxy det, batsworm, inner fire and kite.

Yea that's gonna change next patxh

KingYogi415 · June 2016

@Mojmir
And why would you say that?
Proxy det got nerfed for single target, should do even more damage against 5+ mobs.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Lol you tell me to ask you about tanking and cant even tell what gear sets you use....
Suspectttt!
Do you even use crafted set gear?
Where you even vet 16 on PC??

I saptank with 23k health and 37k magic 3k spellpower . proxy det, batsworm, inner fire and kite.

No,damn! read again I asked for your 1st,stop acting ignorant.Anyways,thats all you know about tanking? thats not even a tank.Thats a DPS using sap (which can work pretty nice thanks to ZOS neglecting putting mechanics in dungeons that makes tank needed,like for example,hard hitting bosses.) and you ask me questions that you cant even answer yourself.Ok we already know you know nothing about tanking,so please I ask you to stop trolling the thread.Also stop skipping post,I allready posted even screenshots where im being complemented for being a good tank and those screenshots where from back when tanking was needed.

Awesome tanking build,go post it as a tanking build guide,the reaction from people will be hilarious.

Pirsius · June 2016

I am also a former PC player who has converted to console and I agree with many of the points made on this thread.

Firstly, the player-bases are completely different. Console is 90% casual players. I see a lot of kids who do not have the money to purchase their own rigs and older adults (who probably purchased the consoles for the kids) that are just looking to relax. PC players are a lot more serious about gaming, especially MMOs. So, to compare the two solely on their competitiveness is idiotic.

PC players also put more time into the game. Why else justify a $2000 setup, if you will not put the time into using it. So, more time = more experience.

Lastly, add-ons. How many of the PC players would say that they could pull the same DPS, HPS, or damage-mitigation if they did not have FTC or any of the other add-ons. Especially timers. It is impossible for console players to truly be as efficient as PC players without timers. Console players have to guess on when to reapply buffs, AOE, dots, everything else in the game. Also, we have to rely mostly on PC players feedback for build advice. Not because of experience, but because we lack the tools to parse our abilities.

Personally, I feel that PC players do have a distinct advantage solely due to the tools that PCs offer that consoles do not.

However, the one reason I am staying on console is that I feel the game flows more fluid on console. I do not mean a frame-rate or lag issue, but the overall structure of the game just feels that it was developed for consoles in mind.

Mjollo · June 2016

@Pirsius I definitely agree with you on most points except add-ons. While a lot of players may rely on add-on for their parses or debuff trackers, I do know majority of the players I run with use theirs solely for UI looks. I personally like a sleek design for showing my resources but when it comes to PvE (for example), Im very comfortable with my rotation on a Magicka NightBlade enough to never look at my buffs/debuffs. Same with the others I mentioned. Not everybody is so reliant on them.