From PC to Console player.Console players please listen.

Oompuh · June 2016

SneaK wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

Someone said the Maw has to be tanked in the fire?? I do that for fun because he doesn't do enough damage. 90% of players on console have no idea how to min/max or put out decent damage. As a tank this really frustrates me because I can't use group finder and expect a quick dungeon.

Or, you can't expect a quick dungeon cause you as a tank is a loss of DPS, ie. you are the weak link cause you are tanking content that doesn't need tanked.

You're right. because the Stam Sorc with a resto staff spamming Entropy is doing a great job, but my tank who is doing more damage than him with puncture is the weak link. Im so sorry, you're right. my War Horn every minute is really slowing my team down, Oh and buffing my teams spell and weapon damage is such a waste of dps. Oh and removing spell and physical resistance, waste of DPS. How could I be so dumb?

too much sarcasm, gotta stop there

SneaK · June 2016

Oompuh wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

Someone said the Maw has to be tanked in the fire?? I do that for fun because he doesn't do enough damage. 90% of players on console have no idea how to min/max or put out decent damage. As a tank this really frustrates me because I can't use group finder and expect a quick dungeon.

Or, you can't expect a quick dungeon cause you as a tank is a loss of DPS, ie. you are the weak link cause you are tanking content that doesn't need tanked.

You're right. because the Stam Sorc with a resto staff spamming Entropy is doing a great job, but my tank who is doing more damage than him with puncture is the weak link. Im so sorry, you're right. my War Horn every minute is really slowing my team down, Oh and buffing my teams spell and weapon damage is such a waste of dps. Oh and removing spell and physical resistance, waste of DPS. How could I be so dumb?

too much sarcasm, gotta stop there

Plot twist, you're the stam sorc labeled as a tank spamming entropy. gg

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2016

Oompuh wrote: »

jzholloway wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

Someone said the Maw has to be tanked in the fire?? I do that for fun because he doesn't do enough damage. 90% of players on console have no idea how to min/max or put out decent damage. As a tank this really frustrates me because I can't use group finder and expect a quick dungeon.

90%?? 90% of console players don't know how to min/max?? Like, wtf are you smoking? That's just true at all... unless all of the people I play with make up that 10% that do, and I know that's not the case because over half of the people who beat vMoL on PS4 (NA) don't play with me - and I'm pretty sure they know how to min/max and how to play the game at an elite level.

Now if you said 90% of PUGS, I'd be more likely to agree with you, but that is not what you said. 90%, come on.

Yup. 90%. I group find everyday and have been since IC and i've played with probably 3 people who pulled their weight. There are thousands of people who play ESO on Console (Im on XBox btw). Say we have 50,000 people who play ESO everyday(i dont know the population numbers). I would say 45,000 of those people have no idea what theyre doing. So i'm saying 5,000 people are end game ready. I dont see how that seems unreasonable.

And if you're friends are the 10%.. you have 5000+ FRIENDS??? damn someone is popular.

And I'm being generous since the SO leaderboards dont usually fill past 700

104% of stats are 17% accurate 59% of the time.

That said, I'd venture a guess that a good percentage of min/maxers aren't perfect at it either especially since there are reasons to NOT have the absolute best mathematical build. I can get to 42k magicka currently but my character plays better at 40k because I choose to use mist form. I won't, however, guess the exact percentage because I'm not a soothsayer like you seem to think you are.

binho · June 2016

I disagree with this post!

I've done dungeons with good and bad players on PC.... And I've done dungeons with good and bad players on PS4.

The idea that console players "are not serious" is quite snobbiest and laughable. Especially when most people on PC don't know how to play without addons lol

The-Baconator · June 2016

A solution to everyone's woes that actually think pugging dailies on any platform is a good idea: Do not pug dailies.

Btw I like how someone can say that haven't completed the two vet dungeons that actually demand you and your build don't completely suck and then says an entire playerbase is somehow inferior. Perhaps the players who are actually decent don't want to waste there time with someone that hasn't even ran vWGT or vICP?

Oompuh · June 2016

My first statement (90% of players on console dont min/max) wasn't directed at console players in the slightest, I just play on console so thats the players I know. Whatever platform you are on, go group find for CoA, ICP, or WGT. You will leave the group and never want to use group finder again. This isn't about a specific console preference, a majority of players just suck, thats it. Using Group finder is like taking a sampling of the community and playing with them. If you group find as much as I do, you will see what I see.

MuddledMuppet · June 2016

Oompuh wrote: »

My first statement (90% of players on console dont min/max) wasn't directed at console players in the slightest, I just play on console so thats the players I know. Whatever platform you are on, go group find for CoA, ICP, or WGT. You will leave the group and never want to use group finder again. This isn't about a specific console preference, a majority of players just suck, thats it. Using Group finder is like taking a sampling of the community and playing with them. If you group find as much as I do, you will see what I see.

I applaud your ability to manage to pack so much wrong in one short paragraph. You pull a figure out of the air with zero evidence, you state that a comment directed at 90% of console users wasn't directed at console users, you assume everyone's experience will match your own despite several people in this thread stating different, you fail to see a difference between playing with an unco-ordinated group of random players and guild or people who regularly play together, and lastly you assume people will reach the same conclusions as you despite, again, people having already expressed the opposite.

Way to go!

He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts — for support rather than for illumination. ~Andrew Lang

Oompuh · June 2016

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

My first statement (90% of players on console dont min/max) wasn't directed at console players in the slightest, I just play on console so thats the players I know. Whatever platform you are on, go group find for CoA, ICP, or WGT. You will leave the group and never want to use group finder again. This isn't about a specific console preference, a majority of players just suck, thats it. Using Group finder is like taking a sampling of the community and playing with them. If you group find as much as I do, you will see what I see.

I applaud your ability to manage to pack so much wrong in one short paragraph. You pull a figure out of the air with zero evidence, you state that a comment directed at 90% of console users wasn't directed at console users, you assume everyone's experience will match your own despite several people in this thread stating different, you fail to see a difference between playing with an unco-ordinated group of random players and guild or people who regularly play together, and lastly you assume people will reach the same concvluysions ASD you despite, again, people having already expressed the opposite.

Way to go!

1) I said console users because I play console. I can't comment on PC users as I never played with them
2) People in coordinated guilds are not who I'm talking about. (i'll have to stop using numbers because estimated percentages are too much for you) A MAJORITY of players do not run in a coordinated trial guild.

How often do you go out of your way to play with randoms on the street? at the enclave? in group finder? How many of those players would you invite into your raid group? if you would invite more than 10% of ESO's population to do a trial with you, then I would be wrong. Like I said, go group find CoA. Easy dungeon? It is with your guild but not with the ESO Community

Something I'll add. If you disagree and say a majority of ESO players know how to play then do this. Play with 100 random people. Group finder, Enclave, Craglorn, wherever you find people. Take 10( well 11) of those people and go do Sanctum. V14 content, not that hard of content. Have fun

neville_bart0s · June 2016

quadraxis666 wrote: »

You missed the part about how PC gamers are just more intelligent and skilled in general.

sweatier, lonelier, weaker, sadder...... the list goes on

OP, who is your audience?? you've said that the bad console players dont use the internet so why would you post a thread targeted at someone that will never see it?? you are a *** that wants to feel superior so you come here to post this stupid thread in hopes of getting a pat on the back from your PC brethren.

MuddledMuppet · June 2016

Oompuh wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

My first statement (90% of players on console dont min/max) wasn't directed at console players in the slightest, I just play on console so thats the players I know. Whatever platform you are on, go group find for CoA, ICP, or WGT. You will leave the group and never want to use group finder again. This isn't about a specific console preference, a majority of players just suck, thats it. Using Group finder is like taking a sampling of the community and playing with them. If you group find as much as I do, you will see what I see.

I applaud your ability to manage to pack so much wrong in one short paragraph. You pull a figure out of the air with zero evidence, you state that a comment directed at 90% of console users wasn't directed at console users, you assume everyone's experience will match your own despite several people in this thread stating different, you fail to see a difference between playing with an unco-ordinated group of random players and guild or people who regularly play together, and lastly you assume people will reach the same concvluysions ASD you despite, again, people having already expressed the opposite.

Way to go!

1) I said console users because I play console. I can't comment on PC users as I never played with them
2) People in coordinated guilds are not who I'm talking about. (i'll have to stop using numbers because estimated percentages are too much for you) A MAJORITY of players do not run in a coordinated trial guild.

How often do you go out of your way to play with randoms on the street? at the enclave? in group finder? How many of those players would you invite into your raid group? if you would invite more than 10% of ESO's population to do a trial with you, then I would be wrong. Like I said, go group find CoA. Easy dungeon? It is with your guild but not with the ESO Community

So was your comment directed at console users or not?
Estimated numbers are by no means 'too much' for me, you still seem to fail to see the difference in making an unsupported bold assertation and adding 'in my experience' to it. There's two distinct logical fallacies there.

'A majority of players just suck' recognise that? Do you have the slightest idea if the majority of players just suck? If they are in guilds? No, just another baseless assumption drawn from your myopic experience.

I got my first skoria helmet playing with random, several other helms too. Do I therefore state that the majority if pugs will get through a vcoa run? No, that would be asinine.

I frequently play with pugsd,some good, some bad, I suspect that if it was bad 90% of the time I would have stopped ages go.

Oompuh · June 2016

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

My first statement (90% of players on console dont min/max) wasn't directed at console players in the slightest, I just play on console so thats the players I know. Whatever platform you are on, go group find for CoA, ICP, or WGT. You will leave the group and never want to use group finder again. This isn't about a specific console preference, a majority of players just suck, thats it. Using Group finder is like taking a sampling of the community and playing with them. If you group find as much as I do, you will see what I see.

I applaud your ability to manage to pack so much wrong in one short paragraph. You pull a figure out of the air with zero evidence, you state that a comment directed at 90% of console users wasn't directed at console users, you assume everyone's experience will match your own despite several people in this thread stating different, you fail to see a difference between playing with an unco-ordinated group of random players and guild or people who regularly play together, and lastly you assume people will reach the same concvluysions ASD you despite, again, people having already expressed the opposite.

Way to go!

1) I said console users because I play console. I can't comment on PC users as I never played with them
2) People in coordinated guilds are not who I'm talking about. (i'll have to stop using numbers because estimated percentages are too much for you) A MAJORITY of players do not run in a coordinated trial guild.

How often do you go out of your way to play with randoms on the street? at the enclave? in group finder? How many of those players would you invite into your raid group? if you would invite more than 10% of ESO's population to do a trial with you, then I would be wrong. Like I said, go group find CoA. Easy dungeon? It is with your guild but not with the ESO Community

So was your comment directed at console users or not?
Estimated numbers are by no means 'too much' for me, you still seem to fail to see the difference in making an unsupported bold assertation and adding 'in my experience' to it. There's two distinct logical fallacies there.

'A majority of players just suck' recognise that? Do you have the slightest idea if the majority of players just suck? If they are in guilds? No, just another baseless assumption drawn from your myopic experience.

I got my first skoria helmet playing with random, several other helms too. Do I therefore state that the majority if pugs will get through a vcoa run? No, that would be asinine.

I frequently play with pugsd,some good, some bad, I suspect that if it was bad 90% of the time I would have stopped ages go.

I started using group finder roughly around the beginning of November. Thats about 200 vet and normal pledges. 400 groups. 1200 players. Sorry, too many numbers... Im so proud of you of getting a skoria helmet once with a random group. But no after playing with 1200 randoms, I guess I cant make a "baseless assumption".

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Rainteal wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

First i have to say that pardon my not perfect english,its my 2nd language.I have been playing this game since beta on PC.I have been playing as a tank since release.I have tanked,DPS and healed every single vet dungeon( ecept WGT and IP)Now I am playing on console and this is the imppresion I get after running countless dungeons in console;console players are very uninformed about the mechanics of this game and the result are lots of fail runs.No wonder from where the uncompleted dungeons data that ZOS get are coming from.

I have seen so many wrong things,from people reading the opus when not needed to players saying that no tank use resto staff( i like S&B on both bar,but a resto in 1 bar is viable),people telling me that Maw of the infernal has to be tanked on the fire trap,if not its a wipe.I have seen most of the DD barely doing any damage at all.Overall you can quickly notice the difference in player skills between console and PC after you have run many dungeons.Dont get me wrong i have got in groups with very skilled players but is so rare.

I think the reason why you find more skilled players in PC than console first come from text chat.On text chat on PC you can read people talking about mechanics in guild and zone chat.Thats free info for the uninformed.Also seems like many people get shy to talk on voice chat.Of all the many runs i have done on console I would say 50% dont use Vchat.Which is frustrating because you want to teach them the mechanics but you cant.But that is a problem that will be eliminated once ZOS implement text chat on console.

Now the second reason i think there is more skilled players in PC than console is access to web information (easy to access on PC) and that many console players are new to the MMO genre and are not used to search the web (the big player manual) to get the info they needs.

So here i say to console players.MMOs looks easy to play and master on the surface but under the hood there is a lot of info and mechanics that the game dont supply to the players that will totally make you a better player.You can find all that info on the web,plenty of sites with that info you are missing.

So go console players, check the info on the net.Make yourself a better player and you will totally enjoy more the game.There will be less fail runs and lot less frustration and wasted time for everyone . Also there be less nerf to dungeons I think.

I hope this help many players.

Am I the only one that sees the irony in someone talking about knowledge and skill in this game yet they have never done vWGT and vICP and also uses sword and board on both bars tanking dungeons?

This was a troll post right?

DK tank S&B in both bars as well as a resto and sometimes a destro staff,same with my Temp tank,with my NB,s&b and resto so far.I like to vary to not get bored.haha ironic how yesterday a guy on console was calling me *** tank (this kind of attitude prevail on console,but I didnt mention it before to not derail the thread) because i was using a staff.

I dont have IC DLC,i have not bothered to buy it yet.But here is this,the fact that i dont own or have run any of those dungeons do not make me an ignorant player.Just make me ignorant on those two dungeons,which take for sure that if I ever run them,I will read guides before,tell the group I havent run it before and im open for segestions,that way i can perform better and not waste others players time

I suggest for you to be a little more thoughtful before posting.Makes you looks better.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

First i have to say that pardon my not perfect english,its my 2nd language.I have been playing this game since beta on PC.I have been playing as a tank since release.I have tanked,DPS and healed every single vet dungeon( ecept WGT and IP)Now I am playing on console and this is the imppresion I get after running countless dungeons in console;console players are very uninformed about the mechanics of this game and the result are lots of fail runs.No wonder from where the uncompleted dungeons data that ZOS get are coming from.

I have seen so many wrong things,from people reading the opus when not needed to players saying that no tank use resto staff( i like S&B on both bar,but a resto in 1 bar is viable),people telling me that Maw of the infernal has to be tanked on the fire trap,if not its a wipe.I have seen most of the DD barely doing any damage at all.Overall you can quickly notice the difference in player skills between console and PC after you have run many dungeons.Dont get me wrong i have got in groups with very skilled players but is so rare.

I think the reason why you find more skilled players in PC than console first come from text chat.On text chat on PC you can read people talking about mechanics in guild and zone chat.Thats free info for the uninformed.Also seems like many people get shy to talk on voice chat.Of all the many runs i have done on console I would say 50% dont use Vchat.Which is frustrating because you want to teach them the mechanics but you cant.But that is a problem that will be eliminated once ZOS implement text chat on console.

Now the second reason i think there is more skilled players in PC than console is access to web information (easy to access on PC) and that many console players are new to the MMO genre and are not used to search the web (the big player manual) to get the info they needs.

So here i say to console players.MMOs looks easy to play and master on the surface but under the hood there is a lot of info and mechanics that the game dont supply to the players that will totally make you a better player.You can find all that info on the web,plenty of sites with that info you are missing.

So go console players, check the info on the net.Make yourself a better player and you will totally enjoy more the game.There will be less fail runs and lot less frustration and wasted time for everyone . Also there be less nerf to dungeons I think.

I hope this help many players.

Am I the only one that sees the irony in someone talking about knowledge and skill in this game yet they have never done vWGT and vICP and also uses sword and board on both bars tanking dungeons?

This was a troll post right?

I did notice that he hadn't done the hardest two dungeons in the game, while saying how bad we all were on console, yes.

read the post before,the fact i havent played those dungeons dont mean im ignorant of the game.Also where did I say console players are bad?

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Defialed wrote: »

Jeez. Everyone is exploding with butthurt based on the assumptions of assumptions. Calm down and stop acting if this post was a personal attack. Obviously those that are here are intelligent enough to use the forums so you know how to play the game. OP is not calling out every player but rather pointing out what he sees most.

The PC population has a higher skill average than that of console. Thats just a fact whether you want to be ignorant or not. If you're in denial, go look up some statistics or better yet, experience both console and PC gaming and come to conclusions yourself. I've played consoles for 7 years growing up and I switched to PC gaming when ESO was released for it. I can personally tell you that there is a drastic difference. With that said, there will always be good parties of players on both platforms but instead of understanding that we're talking about general statistics, go ahead and take a personal offense.

Addons can make a wide world of a difference when it comes to this game. This is true. PCs can have an advantage over other platforms because of this but some of you assume that people actually use every add on available. I don't. I use 6 add ons when I PvP or PvE. 6. Just a UI reconfigure for my parses and debuff tracker plus a mini map for pvp. That's it. I don't do fancy doo-dad 150 add-ons like others do.

Lastly, Time. Time has a factor over the skill of a player but a year-gap is not an excuse. I picked up the game and in an hour, I knew what I was doing. 2 weeks later and I had known everything I needed to about my class and I didn't even bother "nerding" out over it. This game has a simple playstyle for an mmo. Amazing and fun; but simple compared to Wow and many others. That's why it could be designed for multi-platform gameplay.

Could not have said it better.(as eanglish my 2nd language it takes long for me to make a post) Im trying to put the thread back to a positive thread but I cant.People are getting so offended even tho i tried to use some tact on my words.

KingYogi415 · June 2016

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1

You just got reemed here for saying you use a staffs as a dk tank.
Now you are admitting that even console players have told you are a bad tank.

This is your' self described tanking build: "DK tank S&B in both bars as well as a resto and sometimes a destro staff"

Sounds like you have been carried a lot on PC and now cant stop QQ'ing about having to use teamwork.

And you follow that up with a ironically condescending:
"I suggest for you to be a little more thoughtful before posting.Makes you looks better."

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

I am also a bit interested in knowing about his back-bar Resto staff tank build. I assume he is doing so on a Magicka tank right? Players on console with no knowledge of anything because we don't have access to text chat and the internet might never be questioning his build if he were, say, using a back-bar Resto as a stam tank right?

Just wondering...

I use a resto on my tank too.

I use a magica nightblade sap tank.

Sword and board/resto. 28k health, 28k magica, 16k stam. Resists at about 28k each when buffed. Use kagernacs, baharas curse and engine guardian. Tanked every dungeon with no healer. Never tried trials, not my thing.

Even kick out some dps. Managed to get valkyn skoria's health bar down a quarter by myself with no platforms left the other night.

I probably have a bad build though, being on console and that.

Awesome,thats what i have on console a NB tank,went magika.Im not totally optimized cause its the only toon I have on console and dont have crafting high,im relying on my tanking experience and on the battle leveling system.Still im doing awsome,sadly I cant do all the roles at the same time.

That last line you write.There is no reason to get offended,its not what i am after.

KingYogi415 · June 2016

mb10 · June 2016

I do the pledges every day on console ps4 and most of the time with 4 dps and yes theyre all random people from the undaunted area.

a death is quite rare so the problem may be you so please dont try to embarass console players because youre having trouble fitting in

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2016

PC Master Race Threads should be locked and their OPs should receive a warning. The Mods posted this big spiel about being respectful to each other and they look the other way whenever threads like this are started. Where its nothing but trash talking and mud slung at the community by the community.

mb10 · June 2016

For someone who hasnt done WGT or IP, you cant be that great yourself to be moaning about console players.

YOU sound like the problem atm. Arrogant co**

FloppyTouch · June 2016

I'm play xb1 darrrrrrrr what da forums for //drools when I play da game I just smash controller on my face and things happen

mb10 · June 2016

Epona222 wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

you find more skilled players in PC

More skilled - or more bigheaded? I would say that if one can successfully play the console version - without all the helping addons, mouse precision and text chat, just the raw gameplay - he probably is a more skilled player...

What, exactly, do you think addons do? The addons I use help with inventory sorting and other UI issues - guild stores and the like.

are you joking?

You pretty much have another person helping you. Telling you when ULT and potions are ready, time left on buffs and buffs active, debuffs, exact number and % of opponents health etc etc etc

let alone maps for crafting, shards and everything else its all given to you on a plate. Console players couldnt even tell how hard they were hitting or how much a crit was until recently lmao i think console players are more skilled if anything

DenMoria · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Cool. Just show me proof that player was not boosting every stat by 10-20% with cheat engine and we can call it even!

haha i knew you will come with that.You know why i havent mention cheat engine claim you mentioned before? Because you are basically assuming that all players use CE which is so far from the truth.ZOS recently mentioned he banned players for using the cheat engine,you know how many? fourty something.Fourty something out of thousand of players,thats almost nothing.

Players have been soloing dungeons long time ago.You want to know how they do it? they suck information like a vacuum cleaner from anywhere they can,make a build based on that info,go outside and start testing and modifying their build and practicing it until they finally manage to solo that dungeon.My respect to those players.But did you see the formula for those solo runs?What stops any other players from doing the same.From studying the game like they did?

Having a life?

mb10 · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFllGCIzkMU

Please find a PC player who can do this (WITHOUT CHEAT ENGINE) and we can agree all platforms are equal!

Here same thing but on PC.See my friend your post its a good example of uninformed players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHkxowWcsZU

look at all the beautiful addons that provide every ounce of information in the fight lol

be real with yourself its not a fair comparison at all. Find a pc player whos on the same playing field as a console player in terms of add ons. May take a while...

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Rainteal wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

I am also a bit interested in knowing about his back-bar Resto staff tank build. I assume he is doing so on a Magicka tank right? Players on console with no knowledge of anything because we don't have access to text chat and the internet might never be questioning his build if he were, say, using a back-bar Resto as a stam tank right?

Just wondering...

I use a resto on my tank too.

I use a magica nightblade sap tank.

Sword and board/resto. 28k health, 28k magica, 16k stam. Resists at about 28k each when buffed. Use kagernacs, baharas curse and engine guardian. Tanked every dungeon with no healer. Never tried trials, not my thing.

Even kick out some dps. Managed to get valkyn skoria's health bar down a quarter by myself with no platforms left the other night.

I probably have a bad build though, being on console and that.

Yup, Resto back bar Magicka tank/healer is a great build. I was not knocking that. I hope I didn't come off that way with my posts dripping of sarcasm. Apologies if I did!

I was wondering if the OP was trying to back-bar a Resto Stick on a Stamina build and got called out for it. Since he was talking about being more knowledgeable...

Why should i do that? i know about tanking builds,I said it before,I am in no need to lie or anything.BTW Tank is the only build that you may call a " hibrid" as a tank you need to spend on the 3 stats.Probably not equalyy in each stats,you my have more mag than stam or viceversa.

BTW,this is the guy who called me as *** tank.We get to maw of infernal in vet BC.There is 2 ways of tanking this boss that I know.One is you as a tank get the debuff and kite the boss close to the walls of the room to not leave fire in the middle of the room.2nd way i know is if your build is optimized and you can stand in the fire without problem then do that.

So I taunt the boss and proceed with the kiting.The guy that calls me bad tank proceed then to say" what what are you doing,you tank him like this" and he as DPs taunted the boss( yeah he had a taunt in his bar as DPS) and say that i have to tank the boss on the fire traps on the entrance of the room.For me thats totally new,but im open to new things,so I taunt the boss off of him and proceed to the traps after he dies for standing in the boss fire and traps,then I die too.

Then comes the childish behavior.I told him to lets try the kiting and he just proceed to interrupt my talking with continiuosly saying,*** tank,*** tank.Then he start making fun of my accent.I told him, now you are being racist,are you racist? he say,no only with your race.Then proceed not to kick me off the grp,but to disband it.Yup thats the guy who called me bad tank.

I know *** like this may happen on pc to but for the many runs I have done,that actitud prevails on console.But that guy was an ass.In many runs I find ppl very ignorant of mechanics which I then proceed,if they are in V chat whic is not always,to explain the mechanics and with some times and wipes they get it.But would not be awesome if they go and study those mechanics before hand like me and many others do?Which is the point of my thread.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Rainteal wrote: »

Defialed wrote: »

Jeez. Everyone is exploding with butthurt based on the assumptions of assumptions. Calm down and stop acting if this post was a personal attack. Obviously those that are here are intelligent enough to use the forums so you know how to play the game. OP is not calling out every player but rather pointing out what he sees most.

The PC population has a higher skill average than that of console. Thats just a fact whether you want to be ignorant or not. If you're in denial, go look up some statistics or better yet, experience both console and PC gaming and come to conclusions yourself. I've played consoles for 7 years growing up and I switched to PC gaming when ESO was released for it. I can personally tell you that there is a drastic difference. With that said, there will always be good parties of players on both platforms but instead of understanding that we're talking about general statistics, go ahead and take a personal offense.

Addons can make a wide world of a difference when it comes to this game. This is true. PCs can have an advantage over other platforms because of this but some of you assume that people actually use every add on available. I don't. I use 6 add ons when I PvP or PvE. 6. Just a UI reconfigure for my parses and debuff tracker plus a mini map for pvp. That's it. I don't do fancy doo-dad 150 add-ons like others do.

Lastly, Time. Time has a factor over the skill of a player but a year-gap is not an excuse. I picked up the game and in an hour, I knew what I was doing. 2 weeks later and I had known everything I needed to about my class and I didn't even bother "nerding" out over it. This game has a simple playstyle for an mmo. Amazing and fun; but simple compared to Wow and many others. That's why it could be designed for multi-platform gameplay.

No butt hurt here. I am just hitting this gentleman back with some sarcasm and ribbing him for calling out a generalization of people on console and their knowledge when he has demonstrated himself as lacking knowledge.

I want you right now to point exactly where i demostrated the lack of game knowledge.Please do that.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

- Would it be a good thing if everyone and every group would run the dungeons the same way ? Same good old gaming experience each and every time, regardless of the group members ? I think it's boring (that's what's already happening on PC, and for a very long time).

Isnt that what guild/friends coordinated grps do? They enjoy it.Ill go for PuGs,thats where the real battlefield is because of so many negatives that you dont find on coordinated groups.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

SneaK wrote: »

Perhaps OP is misinformed. Most 4 man dungeons don't even need a tank. There are plenty of guides on DPS you can search for on the web.

(^Low blow, I run with a MagDK tank, who's a boss. So, I was only being halfway serious.)

I am totally aware of that since I play the 3 roles.Also im always on those tanking thread,official and unofficial that are fighting to make tanks more important in the game.

MuddledMuppet · June 2016

Oompuh wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

My first statement (90% of players on console dont min/max) wasn't directed at console players in the slightest, I just play on console so thats the players I know. Whatever platform you are on, go group find for CoA, ICP, or WGT. You will leave the group and never want to use group finder again. This isn't about a specific console preference, a majority of players just suck, thats it. Using Group finder is like taking a sampling of the community and playing with them. If you group find as much as I do, you will see what I see.

I applaud your ability to manage to pack so much wrong in one short paragraph. You pull a figure out of the air with zero evidence, you state that a comment directed at 90% of console users wasn't directed at console users, you assume everyone's experience will match your own despite several people in this thread stating different, you fail to see a difference between playing with an unco-ordinated group of random players and guild or people who regularly play together, and lastly you assume people will reach the same concvluysions ASD you despite, again, people having already expressed the opposite.

Way to go!

1) I said console users because I play console. I can't comment on PC users as I never played with them
2) People in coordinated guilds are not who I'm talking about. (i'll have to stop using numbers because estimated percentages are too much for you) A MAJORITY of players do not run in a coordinated trial guild.

How often do you go out of your way to play with randoms on the street? at the enclave? in group finder? How many of those players would you invite into your raid group? if you would invite more than 10% of ESO's population to do a trial with you, then I would be wrong. Like I said, go group find CoA. Easy dungeon? It is with your guild but not with the ESO Community

So was your comment directed at console users or not?
Estimated numbers are by no means 'too much' for me, you still seem to fail to see the difference in making an unsupported bold assertation and adding 'in my experience' to it. There's two distinct logical fallacies there.

'A majority of players just suck' recognise that? Do you have the slightest idea if the majority of players just suck? If they are in guilds? No, just another baseless assumption drawn from your myopic experience.

I got my first skoria helmet playing with random, several other helms too. Do I therefore state that the majority if pugs will get through a vcoa run? No, that would be asinine.

I frequently play with pugsd,some good, some bad, I suspect that if it was bad 90% of the time I would have stopped ages go.

I started using group finder roughly around the beginning of November. Thats about 200 vet and normal pledges. 400 groups. 1200 players. Sorry, too many numbers... Im so proud of you of getting a skoria helmet once with a random group. But no after playing with 1200 randoms, I guess I cant make a "baseless assumption".

So you've played with 400 groups, 360 of them being clueless. Have you reached a point of not playing yet?

NativeJoe · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

bedlom wrote: »

I find these people on PC too.

I agree,but damn,i find them almost always on console (PuGs),and after a while you can notice its not bad players but uninformed players.

I find them all the time on pc. I call it the "random veteran dungeon" Challenge. It's how I refine my tank/dps/heal build for pvp. In reality whenever I take the challenge odds are...no matter what the dungeon is, I'll prolly end up having to do it myself by the end.