From PC to Console player.Console players please listen.

Waffennacht · June 2016

Rainteal wrote: »

jzholloway wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

I am also a bit interested in knowing about his back-bar Resto staff tank build. I assume he is doing so on a Magicka tank right? Players on console with no knowledge of anything because we don't have access to text chat and the internet might never be questioning his build if he were, say, using a back-bar Resto as a stam tank right?

Just wondering...

Probably a hybrid build... We must not know as a tank we can run Tava's and Footman either... I mean, why would we run a VR14.. (excuse me CP140) set with a set that offers no mitigation...

Did you read that on the internet? How did you get access to the internet as a console player?

I would try that tonight, but I broke my console controller using it as a hammer to break up rocks in my yard that I intended use as flooring in my hut. My charging cable is also being used to tie my roof thatching together, so I am really out of luck.

As a side note, I wonder if this knowledgeable PC player could give me some pointers on increasing my vMA score. Since he knows so much about the game, I bet he can help us all out.

Just cracked me up!

I was like "wtf did this thread become?"

Read that and so glad I did. I don't care who you are, the image of this is hilarious

abreen28 · June 2016

Its hard on console because we can't communicate like we need to. I've joined several random dungeons and everybody does their own thing because they aren't using voice chat. We need something for better communication. If you don't use voice chat then you might as well not play because you will be hurting, especially as a new player.

SneaK · June 2016

Perhaps OP is misinformed. Most 4 man dungeons don't even need a tank. There are plenty of guides on DPS you can search for on the web.

(^Low blow, I run with a MagDK tank, who's a boss. So, I was only being halfway serious.)

Rainteal · June 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

No butt hurt here. I am just hitting this gentleman back with some sarcasm and ribbing him for calling out a generalization of people on console and their knowledge when he has demonstrated himself as lacking knowledge.

Not having completed vICP or vWGT doesn't mean you're not knowledgeable and efficient on any other dungeon mechanics.
And pointing out an issue for a group of people doesn't mean that everyone has to be or feel included and concerned.
I guess you just felt the need to be sarcastic no matter what.

I think it is fair to make the argument that someone who has not cleared 8 month old content lacks broad knowledge of the game. Couple that with some suspect statements about his bar choices and the argument becomes compelling. I do not take issue with someone not knowing those dungeons. I take issue with someone who is claiming to be more knowledgeable than the majority of a particular player base having not cleared all of the game's content.

Not everyone fits the mold the OP was referring to on console, but I do not believe his assessment was even close to the mark. I run with my guilds often, but I do use the grouping tool for PuGs as well. I have run into some very poor players and groups, but more often than not, the groups are decent enough to complete the activity. I must wonder if the OP in question was the weak link in the groups that caused the failures. The old saying that "if you spend all your time looking around at how jacked up everybody around you is, it might be time to take a look in the mirror to make sure the jacked up one isn't you" might apply here.

Edit: double negative

FortheloveofKrist · June 2016

Defialed wrote: »

Lol I left consoles to buy a PC for eso. Switched to PC gaming and never looked back with the main reason being what you described. I was tired of incoherent players and the average skill level for PC players is much higher than that of console gamers. It's just a fact. Sure you get a few rough-notch players now and then but at least I can rely on SOMEBODY in the PC version rather than none.

Interesting. I did the opposite. Had several vet toons on PC and millions in gold. Left it to start over on console. Would never go back.

Whatever makes it more enjoyable for you to play the game...Do that.

rotaugen454 · June 2016

I know a few hardcore gamers that use console, including my sister and her husband. We trade fake insults on Facebook about Console vs PC, but for her and others it is primarily:

1) Cost of system
2) Ease of use

They don't want to worry about video drivers, which version of Windows to use, waiting for boot ups, etc. I get it. They admit PC has far superior graphics and controls. But they do browse websites for information on the games.

Danksta · June 2016

Oh PC master race! Please teach me about this web that you speak of.

Oompuh · June 2016

Someone said the Maw has to be tanked in the fire?? I do that for fun because he doesn't do enough damage. 90% of players have no idea how to min/max or put out decent damage. As a tank this really frustrates me because I can't use group finder and expect a quick dungeon.

Brrrofski · June 2016

Oompuh wrote: »

Someone said the Maw has to be tanked in the fire?? I do that for fun because he doesn't do enough damage. 90% of players on console have no idea how to min/max or put out decent damage. As a tank this really frustrates me because I can't use group finder and expect a quick dungeon.

90% for real?

I group finder at least once a day an always, always get gold key. I do tank and dps mostly, but I do it as strictly dps and it's still fine.

jzholloway · June 2016

Oompuh wrote: »

Someone said the Maw has to be tanked in the fire?? I do that for fun because he doesn't do enough damage. 90% of players on console have no idea how to min/max or put out decent damage. As a tank this really frustrates me because I can't use group finder and expect a quick dungeon.

90%?? 90% of console players don't know how to min/max?? Like, wtf are you smoking? That's just true at all... unless all of the people I play with make up that 10% that do, and I know that's not the case because over half of the people who beat vMoL on PS4 (NA) don't play with me - and I'm pretty sure they know how to min/max and how to play the game at an elite level.

Now if you said 90% of PUGS, I'd be more likely to agree with you, but that is not what you said. 90%, come on.

jzholloway · June 2016

Also, consider this - you DON'T even have to min/max to complete dungeon content in ESO really only Sanctum and vMoL... just wanted to add that. But again, the assertion the 90% of console player's don't even know what they are doing is just crazy and wrong.

Rainteal · June 2016

jzholloway wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

Someone said the Maw has to be tanked in the fire?? I do that for fun because he doesn't do enough damage. 90% of players on console have no idea how to min/max or put out decent damage. As a tank this really frustrates me because I can't use group finder and expect a quick dungeon.

90%?? 90% of console players don't know how to min/max?? Like, wtf are you smoking? That's just true at all... unless all of the people I play with make up that 10% that do, and I know that's not the case because over half of the people who beat vMoL on PS4 (NA) don't play with me - and I'm pretty sure they know how to min/max and how to play the game at an elite level.

Now if you said 90% of PUGS, I'd be more likely to agree with you, but that is not what you said. 90%, come on.

That means that all of my friends must not know how to min/max and play well, since I don't know you on PS4, but you and your friends already make up the only 10% that are good.

jzholloway · June 2016

Rainteal wrote: »

jzholloway wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

Someone said the Maw has to be tanked in the fire?? I do that for fun because he doesn't do enough damage. 90% of players on console have no idea how to min/max or put out decent damage. As a tank this really frustrates me because I can't use group finder and expect a quick dungeon.

90%?? 90% of console players don't know how to min/max?? Like, wtf are you smoking? That's just true at all... unless all of the people I play with make up that 10% that do, and I know that's not the case because over half of the people who beat vMoL on PS4 (NA) don't play with me - and I'm pretty sure they know how to min/max and how to play the game at an elite level.

Now if you said 90% of PUGS, I'd be more likely to agree with you, but that is not what you said. 90%, come on.

That means that all of my friends must not know how to min/max and play well, since I don't know you on PS4, but you and your friends already make up the only 10% that are good.

HAHA... exactly, either that or the people I play with are scrubs or something... either way, we are probably both screwed, we probably both suck, and we both should probably just leave everything to those PC guys who search the internet and stuff.

Brrrofski · June 2016

Rainteal wrote: »

jzholloway wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

Someone said the Maw has to be tanked in the fire?? I do that for fun because he doesn't do enough damage. 90% of players on console have no idea how to min/max or put out decent damage. As a tank this really frustrates me because I can't use group finder and expect a quick dungeon.

90%?? 90% of console players don't know how to min/max?? Like, wtf are you smoking? That's just true at all... unless all of the people I play with make up that 10% that do, and I know that's not the case because over half of the people who beat vMoL on PS4 (NA) don't play with me - and I'm pretty sure they know how to min/max and how to play the game at an elite level.

Now if you said 90% of PUGS, I'd be more likely to agree with you, but that is not what you said. 90%, come on.

That means that all of my friends must not know how to min/max and play well, since I don't know you on PS4, but you and your friends already make up the only 10% that are good.

And my guild on xbox eu must all be scrubs as we're not in that 10%!

MuddledMuppet · June 2016

Defialed wrote: »

Jeez. Everyone is exploding with butthurt based on the assumptions of assumptions. Calm down and stop acting if this post was a personal attack. Obviously those that are here are intelligent enough to use the forums so you know how to play the game. OP is not calling out every player but rather pointing out what he sees most.

The PC population has a higher skill average than that of console. Thats just a fact whether you want to be ignorant or not. If you're in denial, go look up some statistics or better yet, experience both console and PC gaming and come to conclusions yourself. I've played consoles for 7 years growing up and I switched to PC gaming when ESO was released for it. I can personally tell you that there is a drastic difference. With that said, there will always be good parties of players on both platforms but instead of understanding that we're talking about general statistics, go ahead and take a personal offense.

Addons can make a wide world of a difference when it comes to this game. This is true. PCs can have an advantage over other platforms because of this but some of you assume that people actually use every add on available. I don't. I use 6 add ons when I PvP or PvE. 6. Just a UI reconfigure for my parses and debuff tracker plus a mini map for pvp. That's it. I don't do fancy doo-dad 150 add-ons like others do.

Lastly, Time. Time has a factor over the skill of a player but a year-gap is not an excuse. I picked up the game and in an hour, I knew what I was doing. 2 weeks later and I had known everything I needed to about my class and I didn't even bother "nerding" out over it. This game has a simple playstyle for an mmo. Amazing and fun; but simple compared to Wow and many others. That's why it could be designed for multi-platform gameplay.

Point me to one quote that indicates anyone is 'exploding with butthurt,. Actually, point me several, no in fact, point me to a quote of everyone who has posted here. Actually try and justify yourself occasionally rather than throwing tired old cliches.

Once you recognise your failure to back up your first statement, demonstrate how your second meets the requirements to be considered a 'fact' rather than a baseless assumption. We won't look up statistics, you made the claim, back it up, it's what grown-ups do. Your personal experience is worthless, as is mine which is diametrically opposed to yours, as indeed is others.

Show me where anyone has claimed that anyone is using every add on available, or we add this to the growing pile of worthless statements. Also, explain why you need the training wheels of a debuff counter.

The thread opened with someone assuming that their microscopic view of experience in this game reflects a majority and you seem to have just run with the flow.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2016

Irony: Console PVP players consistently show themselves to be the most mature people on this board while, PVE only types and PC Master Racers continually insult them because the PVP only console players are somehow considered the worst people in the gaming universe.

TortUred_mAlice · June 2016

abreen28 wrote: »

Its hard on console because we can't communicate like we need to. I've joined several random dungeons and everybody does their own thing because they aren't using voice chat. We need something for better communication. If you don't use voice chat then you might as well not play because you will be hurting, especially as a new player.

Playstation 4 has a community system.

It's a place where you can ask for players to join you... There are thousands of players in these communities... You can request a working microphone to be used...

If you're a new player, join these communities... Write that you're new to the game... Ask for instructions, orders, et c.

When these features get added to the console, do you people actually take notice of these updates and inspect them or do you just auto-start your game and wonder why you're complaining when you're with randoms?

Forgive me if you're on Xbox, no idea what type of community system is on there.

Caff32 · June 2016

You can't judge a whole platform by their PUG representation. That's ridiculous. The best players have guilds they run with and generally often don't need PUGs.

That being said, I consider myself a pretty decent player and I've had some amazing PUGs that ripped through WGT, etc. without a problem and I've had others where the tank is out DPS'ing the DDs. No guarantees with random groups. You just got bad RNG.

MuddledMuppet · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Cool. Just show me proof that player was not boosting every stat by 10-20% with cheat engine and we can call it even!

haha i knew you will come with that.You know why i havent mention cheat engine claim you mentioned before? Because you are basically assuming that all players use CE which is so far from the truth.ZOS recently mentioned he banned players for using the cheat engine,you know how many? fourty something.Fourty something out of thousand of players,thats almost nothing.

Players have been soloing dungeons long time ago.You want to know how they do it? they suck information like a vacuum cleaner from anywhere they can,make a build based on that info,go outside and start testing and modifying their build and practicing it until they finally manage to solo that dungeon.My respect to those players.But did you see the formula for those solo runs?What stops any other players from doing the same.From studying the game like they did?

Just a thought, why didn't you suck up the info and 'solo' the vet dungeons with thge others following in your wake?

Uriel_Nocturne · June 2016

*** Disclaimer ***
I Game on both the PC and Consoles (Xbox specifically). I have been gaming for 30+ years, and have been playing MMORPG's since the genre first emerged.

*** End of Disclaimer ***

While I am in a number of MMO's right now, I play ESO more on my Xbox than I do on my PC, and the reasons for that are many, but that's not the point of this post.

Frankly, the condescension in this thread is *** sickening... we are ALL Gamers, and comments like:

console players are very uninformed about the mechanics of this game and the result are lots of fail runs.

Console gamers just aren't as serious or they just don't care about being good why spend 1000+ hours on a game if your just going to be bad at the game and not learn how to play why waste all that time.

You missed the part about how PC gamers are just more intelligent and skilled in general, hence why they game on PC. Also keyboard and mouse. They have controllers. That's a difference as big as the difference between fighter jets and tricycles.

and

PC players on average are more serious gamers, so that will explain the skill gap. Chances are that those players are also not on these forums, like I said, because they don't take this games as serious.

Comments like these should bring shame that you ever thought them, much less took the time to actually type them out.

It's "Gamers" like yourselves that cause the rest of the world to view Gamers are neck-beard, arrogant, basement-dwellers.

People like you make me sick with your self-superior arrogance.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2016

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

*** Disclaimer ***
I Game on both the PC and Consoles (Xbox specifically). I have been gaming for 30+ years, and have been playing MMORPG's since the genre first emerged.

*** End of Disclaimer ***

While I am in a number of MMO's right now, I play ESO more on my Xbox than I do on my PC, and the reasons for that are many, but that's not the point of this post.

Frankly, the condescension in this thread is *** sickening... we are ALL Gamers, and comments like:

console players are very uninformed about the mechanics of this game and the result are lots of fail runs.

Console gamers just aren't as serious or they just don't care about being good why spend 1000+ hours on a game if your just going to be bad at the game and not learn how to play why waste all that time.

You missed the part about how PC gamers are just more intelligent and skilled in general, hence why they game on PC. Also keyboard and mouse. They have controllers. That's a difference as big as the difference between fighter jets and tricycles.

and

PC players on average are more serious gamers, so that will explain the skill gap. Chances are that those players are also not on these forums, like I said, because they don't take this games as serious.

Comments like these should bring shame that you ever thought them, much less took the time to actually type them out.

It's "Gamers" like yourselves that cause the rest of the world to view Gamers are neck-beard, arrogant, basement-dwellers.

People like you make me sick with your self-superior arrogance.

100% agreed. Except that I'm only in my 29th year of gaming. Haha.

Seriously though, you're totally correct and the ignorance of some people in this thread is astounding.

Personally I much prefer this game on XBox vs PC and am infinitely better with a controller. Also, while I'm at it, I have a degree, a very good job and am a published author. I've done all this while finding the time to level my ESO character to the point where I one shot a reigning emperor last night. Not sure what else I can say to disprove the garbage that you quoted.

Khajiit_Ri · June 2016

lol! OP is obviously pugging groups, needs to find guilds specifically catering towards dungeoning/trials, but in all honesty PUGs have worked for me, so not really sure where OP is coming from.

Also in regards to min/maxing I only see a benefit in this on timed achievements as almost (if not all content) can be done with a competent and commited group.

Whether intentional or not OP comes off somewhat as a PC elitist, which in the 21st century is somewhat silly and childish.

Defilted · June 2016

I am a console player XBOX.

I have played many MMO's on the PC

I have seen a player base on both systems uninformed as you state only console players are. I read about this game and the mechanics all the time. I read about raids, dungeons and get through them with activity finder all the time with very little issue. My most active guild players are well informed and have no issues completing content most of the time.

My experience on XBOX is not yours.

Khajiit_Ri · June 2016

Also the very idea that intelligence is gauged through the preference of one platform over another is purely hyperbolic. To even posit such a claim is the epitome of serious insecurity issues. I play both PC and Console. Get over your selves.

Oompuh · June 2016

jzholloway wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

Someone said the Maw has to be tanked in the fire?? I do that for fun because he doesn't do enough damage. 90% of players on console have no idea how to min/max or put out decent damage. As a tank this really frustrates me because I can't use group finder and expect a quick dungeon.

90%?? 90% of console players don't know how to min/max?? Like, wtf are you smoking? That's just true at all... unless all of the people I play with make up that 10% that do, and I know that's not the case because over half of the people who beat vMoL on PS4 (NA) don't play with me - and I'm pretty sure they know how to min/max and how to play the game at an elite level.

Now if you said 90% of PUGS, I'd be more likely to agree with you, but that is not what you said. 90%, come on.

Yup. 90%. I group find everyday and have been since IC and i've played with probably 3 people who pulled their weight. There are thousands of people who play ESO on Console (Im on XBox btw). Say we have 50,000 people who play ESO everyday(i dont know the population numbers). I would say 45,000 of those people have no idea what theyre doing. So i'm saying 5,000 people are end game ready. I dont see how that seems unreasonable.

And if you're friends are the 10%.. you have 5000+ FRIENDS??? damn someone is popular.

And I'm being generous since the SO leaderboards dont usually fill past 700

Hammy01 · June 2016

Defialed wrote: »

Lol I left consoles to buy a PC for eso. Switched to PC gaming and never looked back with the main reason being what you described. I was tired of incoherent players and the average skill level for PC players is much higher than that of console gamers. It's just a fact. Sure you get a few rough-notch players now and then but at least I can rely on SOMEBODY in the PC version rather than none.

Hold up a bit... "Incoherent players"... You really meant to say players that don't have access to mods/addons that baby sit them every step of the way or even text chat to make going over stratagies better... Right? This is what you really meant to say, instead of calling all console players "incoherent"??

Hammy
Proud "incoherent player" from the Xbox one EU community!!

Hammy01 · June 2016

Epona222 wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

you find more skilled players in PC

More skilled - or more bigheaded? I would say that if one can successfully play the console version - without all the helping addons, mouse precision and text chat, just the raw gameplay - he probably is a more skilled player...

What, exactly, do you think addons do? The addons I use help with inventory sorting and other UI issues - guild stores and the like.

Well addons can tell you when your buffs/debuffs expire and when your dots/hots need to be reapplied at the exact moment they expire.... Console players don't have this.

Hammy01 · June 2016

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

you find more skilled players in PC

More skilled - or more bigheaded? I would say that if one can successfully play the console version - without all the helping addons, mouse precision and text chat, just the raw gameplay - he probably is a more skilled player...

What, exactly, do you think addons do? The addons I use help with inventory sorting and other UI issues - guild stores and the like.

I was under the impression that there are addons that display when buffs run out, when debuffs are active, when an enemy is in execute range etc, is my impression wrong? I also thought there were addons that show all harvesting nodes on the map greatly speeding up farming hence aquisition of gold tempers etc?

Addons that allow instant full gear swaps would be helpful in faster times of trials/VMA no?

This is just off the top of my head, so there may be others or I may be mistaken ofc.

You are correct!!

Some PC players could not pick thier nose without an addon telling them which nostril to start digging in!!

SneaK · June 2016

Oompuh wrote: »

Someone said the Maw has to be tanked in the fire?? I do that for fun because he doesn't do enough damage. 90% of players on console have no idea how to min/max or put out decent damage. As a tank this really frustrates me because I can't use group finder and expect a quick dungeon.

Or, you can't expect a quick dungeon cause you as a tank is a loss of DPS, ie. you are the weak link cause you are tanking content that doesn't need tanked.

Khajiit_Ri · June 2016

Some console players don't need it. It's not really that hard to figure out when a buff has run out and needs to be reapplied. There is no crazy esoteric method to playing an MMO. Sure people can benefit from using add-ons, but after playing the game for so long you should be able to get a grasp when your buff needs to be reapplied. I think a certain demographic of PC players need to put the Cheetos down, stop guzzling Mountain Dew, and pick up a good book, go outside, reconnect with society, then come back to the game with a clearer head