KingYogi415 wrote: »

You are repeating the same points, I can read a couple lines up...

Maybe console has many many more players than PC and thus a bigger pool of casuals.

It's too bad ZOS won't release any numbers!

Very true,im repeating the same point because there is nothing else to point out.My point is simple to understand.But Im repeating myself since im seiing post that missunderstand what my point is.Like confusing uninformed players with bad players.

OP which console and which megaserver are you on? If you are PS4 NA I would like to see why you are wiping so often. It is very rare that any pledge runs I have been doing lately, and I almost always 95%+ PUG them, wipe with so many people approaching cap on CPs

With XBox EU, its become a very casual place. People aren't serious about levelling chars or gearing them for premium content unless they go to PvP, and even then, there are some terrible players in Cyrodiil.

Its worth noting that vMOL has yet to be cleared on the XBox EU, most have decided its too hard and they don't have the time or commitment to even bother with it. Lots of people have done nMOL, even at V16. But most dungeon runs I now see are scaled down runs by using a low level player to scale it to a one hit dungeon run. Even the vet pledges are often scaled back to v1 runs by people who keep a char just for that.

At the end of the day, a console isn't seen as a serious gaming platform for the majority (there is a minority who do), its something to switch on after school/work, chill out have fun, talk to friends, and just mess around, even in PvP.

Commitment does not happen on console normally. like I say, I have come across the odd one or two who have committed to serious builds and serious in-game time to get things right, but those people are 1 in a 100.

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1 I agree partially with some of your views, but for different reasons. One thing text chat does allow is making your own groups, and explaining things. A lot of the learning from others is only possible if you use voice chat and join a guild for console players. The point that there is likely more uninformed console players is true, but its also 3 fold

1. Pc has been out longer, so those still in it are probably more die hard, and have done their research
2. No dps parse meter, and buff tracker prevents console players achieving min/max rotations, and improving themselves
3. Yes i agree there is no good information in game its all external, so console players may be less likely to do their research, and have less sources of information available.

And because of the third and Imo second point in particular, lots of information that seems obvious is missed. lets hope they continue to improve the UI options on console. And this time next year this same sentiment cant be said to be true.

Also if you were that good a player yourself you could carry your team through any base game dungeon so maybe tone down the condescension in your post; you only experienced pugs not top console PvE guilds so expect some hate for making broad misinformed statements.

I find it ironic that people who are making unsupported claims about a massive proportion of the game's population fail to understand how useless and ill-informed it is to make generalisations based on their limited experience.

Last night me and three others did a vet dungeon where all of us were using experimental builds, I was vampire tank in a flame filled dungeon, we had two of the apparently worst DPS types in the game as sorcs, and we only had a couple of deaths, those following moments of us messing around a bit and having a laugh.

My experiences in the game are the opposite of yours, we have no way of knowing whose is the most prevalent, so without actual data, how about stopping with baseless generalisations.

Oh and addons thast inform a player when they need to block?

ROFLMFAO!!! GO GO GO LEET PC MASTER RACE!!!

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

First i have to say that pardon my not perfect english,its my 2nd language.I have been playing this game since beta on PC.I have been playing as a tank since release.I have tanked,DPS and healed every single vet dungeon( ecept WGT and IP)Now I am playing on console and this is the imppresion I get after running countless dungeons in console;console players are very uninformed about the mechanics of this game and the result are lots of fail runs.No wonder from where the uncompleted dungeons data that ZOS get are coming from.

I have seen so many wrong things,from people reading the opus when not needed to players saying that no tank use resto staff( i like S&B on both bar,but a resto in 1 bar is viable),people telling me that Maw of the infernal has to be tanked on the fire trap,if not its a wipe.I have seen most of the DD barely doing any damage at all.Overall you can quickly notice the difference in player skills between console and PC after you have run many dungeons.Dont get me wrong i have got in groups with very skilled players but is so rare.

I think the reason why you find more skilled players in PC than console first come from text chat.On text chat on PC you can read people talking about mechanics in guild and zone chat.Thats free info for the uninformed.Also seems like many people get shy to talk on voice chat.Of all the many runs i have done on console I would say 50% dont use Vchat.Which is frustrating because you want to teach them the mechanics but you cant.But that is a problem that will be eliminated once ZOS implement text chat on console.

Now the second reason i think there is more skilled players in PC than console is access to web information (easy to access on PC) and that many console players are new to the MMO genre and are not used to search the web (the big player manual) to get the info they needs.

So here i say to console players.MMOs looks easy to play and master on the surface but under the hood there is a lot of info and mechanics that the game dont supply to the players that will totally make you a better player.You can find all that info on the web,plenty of sites with that info you are missing.

So go console players, check the info on the net.Make yourself a better player and you will totally enjoy more the game.There will be less fail runs and lot less frustration and wasted time for everyone . Also there be less nerf to dungeons I think.

I hope this help many players.

Am I the only one that sees the irony in someone talking about knowledge and skill in this game yet they have never done vWGT and vICP and also uses sword and board on both bars tanking dungeons?

This was a troll post right?

I am also a bit interested in knowing about his back-bar Resto staff tank build. I assume he is doing so on a Magicka tank right? Players on console with no knowledge of anything because we don't have access to text chat and the internet might never be questioning his build if he were, say, using a back-bar Resto as a stam tank right?

Just wondering...

As a consoler player, agreed... I am forced (I say forced, but I like it anyway) to hybrid heal and DD in every dungeon, including veteran pledges because the average DD is just.. bad, like.. most of the DD I get in my group, are heavy armor wearing (even though there's nothing wrong with heavy armor in DB) and Wrecking Blow-spamming, Light and Heavy attack-spammers with 2h weapons, and you barely see them use actual class abilities

I wiped about 5 times on Bodgan last night because the DD's wouldn't interrupt & kill the healers, and of course they didn't avoid the fire AOE.. but we managed it in the end.

I guess it just comes down to the average console player not being used to such mechanics, since.. well, it's obvious.

jzholloway wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

I am also a bit interested in knowing about his back-bar Resto staff tank build. I assume he is doing so on a Magicka tank right? Players on console with no knowledge of anything because we don't have access to text chat and the internet might never be questioning his build if he were, say, using a back-bar Resto as a stam tank right?

Just wondering...

Probably a hybrid build... We must not know as a tank we can run Tava's and Footman either... I mean, why would we run a VR14.. (excuse me CP140) set with a set that offers no mitigation...

Did you read that on the internet? How did you get access to the internet as a console player?

I would try that tonight, but I broke my console controller using it as a hammer to break up rocks in my yard that I intended use as flooring in my hut. My charging cable is also being used to tie my roof thatching together, so I am really out of luck.

As a side note, I wonder if this knowledgeable PC player could give me some pointers on increasing my vMA score. Since he knows so much about the game, I bet he can help us all out.

Jeez. Everyone is exploding with butthurt based on the assumptions of assumptions. Calm down and stop acting if this post was a personal attack. Obviously those that are here are intelligent enough to use the forums so you know how to play the game. OP is not calling out every player but rather pointing out what he sees most.

The PC population has a higher skill average than that of console. Thats just a fact whether you want to be ignorant or not. If you're in denial, go look up some statistics or better yet, experience both console and PC gaming and come to conclusions yourself. I've played consoles for 7 years growing up and I switched to PC gaming when ESO was released for it. I can personally tell you that there is a drastic difference. With that said, there will always be good parties of players on both platforms but instead of understanding that we're talking about general statistics, go ahead and take a personal offense.

Addons can make a wide world of a difference when it comes to this game. This is true. PCs can have an advantage over other platforms because of this but some of you assume that people actually use every add on available. I don't. I use 6 add ons when I PvP or PvE. 6. Just a UI reconfigure for my parses and debuff tracker plus a mini map for pvp. That's it. I don't do fancy doo-dad 150 add-ons like others do.

Lastly, Time. Time has a factor over the skill of a player but a year-gap is not an excuse. I picked up the game and in an hour, I knew what I was doing. 2 weeks later and I had known everything I needed to about my class and I didn't even bother "nerding" out over it. This game has a simple playstyle for an mmo. Amazing and fun; but simple compared to Wow and many others. That's why it could be designed for multi-platform gameplay.

Brrrofski wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

I am also a bit interested in knowing about his back-bar Resto staff tank build. I assume he is doing so on a Magicka tank right? Players on console with no knowledge of anything because we don't have access to text chat and the internet might never be questioning his build if he were, say, using a back-bar Resto as a stam tank right?

Just wondering...

I use a resto on my tank too.

I use a magica nightblade sap tank.

Sword and board/resto. 28k health, 28k magica, 16k stam. Resists at about 28k each when buffed. Use kagernacs, baharas curse and engine guardian. Tanked every dungeon with no healer. Never tried trials, not my thing.

Even kick out some dps. Managed to get valkyn skoria's health bar down a quarter by myself with no platforms left the other night.

I probably have a bad build though, being on console and that.

Yup, Resto back bar Magicka tank/healer is a great build. I was not knocking that. I hope I didn't come off that way with my posts dripping of sarcasm. Apologies if I did!

I was wondering if the OP was trying to back-bar a Resto Stick on a Stamina build and got called out for it. Since he was talking about being more knowledgeable...

Defialed wrote: »

Jeez. Everyone is exploding with butthurt based on the assumptions of assumptions. Calm down and stop acting if this post was a personal attack. Obviously those that are here are intelligent enough to use the forums so you know how to play the game. OP is not calling out every player but rather pointing out what he sees most.

The PC population has a higher skill average than that of console. Thats just a fact whether you want to be ignorant or not. If you're in denial, go look up some statistics or better yet, experience both console and PC gaming and come to conclusions yourself. I've played consoles for 7 years growing up and I switched to PC gaming when ESO was released for it. I can personally tell you that there is a drastic difference. With that said, there will always be good parties of players on both platforms but instead of understanding that we're talking about general statistics, go ahead and take a personal offense.

Addons can make a wide world of a difference when it comes to this game. This is true. PCs can have an advantage over other platforms because of this but some of you assume that people actually use every add on available. I don't. I use 6 add ons when I PvP or PvE. 6. Just a UI reconfigure for my parses and debuff tracker plus a mini map for pvp. That's it. I don't do fancy doo-dad 150 add-ons like others do.

Lastly, Time. Time has a factor over the skill of a player but a year-gap is not an excuse. I picked up the game and in an hour, I knew what I was doing. 2 weeks later and I had known everything I needed to about my class and I didn't even bother "nerding" out over it. This game has a simple playstyle for an mmo. Amazing and fun; but simple compared to Wow and many others. That's why it could be designed for multi-platform gameplay.

No butt hurt here. I am just hitting this gentleman back with some sarcasm and ribbing him for calling out a generalization of people on console and their knowledge when he has demonstrated himself as lacking knowledge.

Defialed wrote: »

Jeez. Everyone is exploding with butthurt based on the assumptions of assumptions. Calm down and stop acting if this post was a personal attack. Obviously those that are here are intelligent enough to use the forums so you know how to play the game. OP is not calling out every player but rather pointing out what he sees most.

The PC population has a higher skill average than that of console. Thats just a fact whether you want to be ignorant or not. If you're in denial, go look up some statistics or better yet, experience both console and PC gaming and come to conclusions yourself. I've played consoles for 7 years growing up and I switched to PC gaming when ESO was released for it. I can personally tell you that there is a drastic difference. With that said, there will always be good parties of players on both platforms but instead of understanding that we're talking about general statistics, go ahead and take a personal offense.

Addons can make a wide world of a difference when it comes to this game. This is true. PCs can have an advantage over other platforms because of this but some of you assume that people actually use every add on available. I don't. I use 6 add ons when I PvP or PvE. 6. Just a UI reconfigure for my parses and debuff tracker plus a mini map for pvp. That's it. I don't do fancy doo-dad 150 add-ons like others do.

Lastly, Time. Time has a factor over the skill of a player but a year-gap is not an excuse. I picked up the game and in an hour, I knew what I was doing. 2 weeks later and I had known everything I needed to about my class and I didn't even bother "nerding" out over it. This game has a simple play style for an mmo. Amazing and fun; but simple compared to Wow and many others. That's why it could be designed for multi-platform game play.

Addons:
Technically, a debuff or buff counter is enough to put most PC players over console players - if they both know what they are doing and how to play their class and role. If you don't think so, just try counting down 3 or 4 DoTs plus buffs. Think about the fact that console players, until TG, had no idea what type of damage or healing they were doing - period. Addons such a quickslot addons, even minimaps, can make a player a lot better then those who don't have them. Hell, just being able to check FTS after an encounter can help make you a better player.

Time:
If you knew everything about playing the game in an hour, and everything about your class in two weeks, I applaud you. That's amazing, considering the best PC and console players are still figuring stuff out, tweaking their builds and skill rotations. Even more so since every patch a ton of stuff changes. So again, I applaud you. However, more time with builds, the ability to try multiple builds simply because gold and mats are more available to those who have played longer (simply a matter of having more time to grind and farm), means yes, time does matter when it comes to being better. Also time means practice.

Population and Console Mentality:
I would somewhat agree that PC has more players of higher skill the any one console - but this is only because more people play on PC then any one console. Concerning average - that's really anyone's guess. I know PS4/NA has its share of wonderfully skilled players who score high in vMA and have now finally beaten vMoL. I think looking at dungeons groups - and PUGS as a whole, is a mistake in looking for skilled players - most high skilled players are in a guild, most have groups they run with on a consistent basis - being that this is an MMO and beyond vMA, this is the only way to actually be a high skilled player. As a console player myself, I am aware that as a tank I am responsible for debuffing the enemies, CC'ing mobs, pulling everything together when required for AoE, pulling trash away when required for the DD's, buffing my group with Warhorn and the like, etc. I would have no need for this playing alone - and even playing with PUGS it seems useless a lot of the times because like the OP said, a lot of them simply do not know, and some may not even want to learn - they just want the clear. As a DPS I know to keep my DoTs up, etc, why, because I play with other people who I listen to and have done the necessary research on my own. I know a lot of people on console who research constantly - and many of them are a lot better for it.

Butthurt:
I'm not butthurt by what the OP said, and yes, I get that it has been his/her experience. Sadly, I have experienced the same, again both on PC and console - it is no different. Luckily, like I mentioned before, I have found two wonderful PvE based guilds and some good friends, and I no longer have this issue. I know the mechanics to trials and dungeons, and yes, I did carry over from PC, but regardless I would have known them on console as well because I would have researched or listened to those I am playing with. Platform does not effect this at all. The assertion that PC players are simply better is the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard - yes, a lot of PC players kick ass on a regular basis, but the same can be said for some on console.