From PC to Console player.Console players please listen.

BalticBlues · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

you find more skilled players in PC

More skilled - or more bigheaded? I would say that if one can successfully play the console version - without all the helping addons, mouse precision and text chat, just the raw gameplay - he probably is a more skilled player...

Epona222 · June 2016

BalticBlues wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

you find more skilled players in PC

More skilled - or more bigheaded? I would say that if one can successfully play the console version - without all the helping addons, mouse precision and text chat, just the raw gameplay - he probably is a more skilled player...

What, exactly, do you think addons do? The addons I use help with inventory sorting and other UI issues - guild stores and the like.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

magictucktuck wrote: »

Sounds like you are using group finder? There are lots of informed players on Xbox at least but we run with our guilds. There are a lot of random uninformed players queuing for dungeons with group finder. Lots of the points in this post are valid yet could all be solved by finding a good guild. Most good guilds won't group seriously with people with no mic. I do use group finder only if I play on carrying a group through a dungeon.

yeah this is all PuGs from group finder that im talking about,which yes,a lot of people use it,its just the lack of tanks that makes the group finder looks like no one uses it when having long queues but thats another topic.

Yes im talking about group finder,which is in my opinion,the training ground to become a pro since you have to deal with so many negatives that you dont find in friends/guild well coordinated group.The con is the many frustrations.

magictucktuck · June 2016

Calboy wrote: »

This thread is a perfect example of ignorant pc gamers. Welcome OP to the wonderful humble world of console gaming.

Agreed I just didn't wanna be mean

MuddledMuppet · June 2016

Epona222 wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

you find more skilled players in PC

More skilled - or more bigheaded? I would say that if one can successfully play the console version - without all the helping addons, mouse precision and text chat, just the raw gameplay - he probably is a more skilled player...

What, exactly, do you think addons do? The addons I use help with inventory sorting and other UI issues - guild stores and the like.

I was under the impression that there are addons that display when buffs run out, when debuffs are active, when an enemy is in execute range etc, is my impression wrong? I also thought there were addons that show all harvesting nodes on the map greatly speeding up farming hence aquisition of gold tempers etc?

Addons that allow instant full gear swaps would be helpful in faster times of trials/VMA no?

This is just off the top of my head, so there may be others or I may be mistaken ofc.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Calboy wrote: »

This thread is a perfect example of ignorant pc gamers. Welcome OP to the wonderful humble world of console gaming.

I agree I have seen some " not humble" comments in this thread,nothing I can do about it.But its not the purpose of my post to sound cocky or anything like that.Im just pointing out something that its very true.Something that im pretty sure everyone will notice if you spend a lot of time running dungeons on both platforms and compare.

americansteel · June 2016

Calboy wrote: »

This thread is a perfect example of ignorant pc gamers. Welcome OP to the wonderful humble world of console gaming.

i agree.

played ESO on PC beta and early access i play both XB1 and PC still.

this topic is kinda dumb and misleading.

the dungeon subject- consoles dont have a whole array of MMO offerings like PC ESO and PC players have an advantage due to the fact console was released later.

ESO on console wont make it past 2 years thats how it is. console players are feed new games every year we want them thats why ESO console wont last as long as PC versions.

like a new game it takes time to know the mechanics. console or pc

also xbx1 ps4 text chat will be waste. i can see it in riften text chat alot of your mom is fat jokes or text battle rappers.

Epona222 · June 2016

americansteel wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

This thread is a perfect example of ignorant pc gamers. Welcome OP to the wonderful humble world of console gaming.

i agree.

played ESO on PC beta and early access i play both XB1 and PC still.

this topic is kinda dumb and misleading.

the dungeon subject- consoles dont have a whole array of MMO offerings like PC ESO and PC players have an advantage due to the fact console was released later.

ESO on console wont make it past 2 years thats how it is. console players are feed new games every year we want them thats why ESO console wont last as long as PC versions.

like a new game it takes time to know the mechanics. console or pc

also xbx1 ps4 text chat will be waste. i can see it in riften text chat alot of your mom is fat jokes or text battle rappers.

There's a lot of rubbish on zone chat on PC too tbh (you can tell when some people have had a little too much to drink on a Friday night!), but it's a simple matter to configure chat to have zone chat off by default.

Beardimus · June 2016

As per the other comments, most Console gamers I know don't come to the forum, I'm one of about 15 mates that do.

ESO is unlike most Console games I know. I know a few people that saw it cheap in game and bought it thinking they had another hack and slash like the other 95% of Console games out there and have played under 1% of the game not really getting it.

Without the forum I would have not understood about 75% of what happens in game.

Take Vet levels. Because we niche few read this forum we assume everyone knows. 100's of console players will be surprised when they log in and see CP160..

TEXT CHAT will not fix it!! I see as many threads on here from.Pc players moaning there isn't voice chat as there are requests for Text Chat. PC players want text chat, they miss it when they come Over. I have not heard one pure console player want it - with our stupid on screen keyboards there really is no point. Those that want to chat, turn on voice. All other factors can be covered joining a good guild and talking to people (trade / dungeons / planning)

PC players just need a bit of patience that most console players are new to this genre and don't / won't just want to play your way.

Don't play with PUG's if it bugs you guys. Play with elite guilds only........

MuddledMuppet · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

This thread is a perfect example of ignorant pc gamers. Welcome OP to the wonderful humble world of console gaming.

I agree I have seen some " not humble" comments in this thread,nothing I can do about it.But its not the purpose of my post to sound cocky or anything like that.Im just pointing out something that its very true.Something that im pretty sure everyone will notice if you spend a lot of time running dungeons on both platforms and compare.

The problem, apart from those already identified, is that degeneration of anyone is unlikely to improve performance. Positively encouraging people to use voice chat would be better than telling them they are unskilled or unknowledgable, even if this is accurate.

I, and others, vastly prefer voice chat to text, it is much easier to get a full explanation, or give one. It is more social, more immediate, and is far more effective for bonding. Even jokes receive a genuine laugh rather than the overused and mundane 'lol' typed out.

When I tried the ps4 beta weekend I heard more chat and social interaction than I had in all the time I previously played on PC. Of course text chat would be nice too for those that prefer, but I for one prefer playing and talking at the same time instead of having to stop and type.

I am inclined to think that a larger part of the console base is more 'casual', but I don't see that as a bad thing. Some activities I have enjoyed throughout my life that I never felt the need to be ultra competitive to enjoy include sports like squash, tennis, karate, sailing. I enjoy playing my guitar and singing even tho there are many far better than me. I enjoy cooking, gardening, a wide range of solo and social activities, some competitive, some cooperative.

In noine of them did I need to be leet to have a good time.

One of the main reasons I went to console was to get away from cheats who would do anything to 'win', I must have been wrong tho, 'intelligent' and 'skilled' players are all that exist on pc, cheat engine only exists on consoles.

mistermutiny89 · June 2016

I'm a consoler player and I was getting ready to be a bit offended but it's actually quite factual when considering the majority of the console community.

I'm not the majority, my YouTube page is covered with ESO guides and my safari has Tamriel foundry book marked.

I didn't even enter a vet dungeon until I was at cp cap with all gold gear and much study of each vet dungeon before being a nuseance to my fellow ESO players. I wish others I grouped with had the same passion for doing their best to make the game more enjoyable in group settings however for the majority that's not the case.

I do think the PC community does have the advantage of add-ons like parses and big pinballesque pop ups letting them know when things are procc'd, I know I've been certain frags has procc'ed at times but thanks to high ping I've missed my cast window and hard cast at least once every couple of runs but this game does need to be studied. There's just too much to learn to ignore the mechanics (as a whole).

But I'm sure as others have said that this will not reach your target audience.

Ps: the statement about PC players being smarter because of their keyboards and mouse is a little funny. Xbox Elite controllers are amazing. I'd even use one on PC. Never liked PC's as all mine in my teens were one year throw aways whilst I've got a 10 year old Xbox that still plays like a dream. Preference. Not intelligence.

Curragraigue · June 2016

OP are you comparing PC 2 years post launch players to console 1 year post launch? Hardly a fair comparison. Not everyone races through content or have as much time as others so some people 1 year after launch (both PC and console) have not done dungeons before so they may not know the mechanics.

I have PUG'd PC and console for group dungeons the main difference at the one year post launch of both is that console players have more CP because CP was new at PC one year anniversary. The point being that I have not seen much of a difference. You get good groups you get poor groups. I just did a PUG Vet Elden Hollow run where Darkroot and the lurcher bosses were both killed before they did their respective big attacks for the first time and Bogdan only fired one fire bomb atrack before being killed on console.

If you want to chat during runs don't PUG join a guild and do dungeons with them. I heard a lot of ridiculous and unfounded statements made by just as many PC players as console players about how to do dungeons. It comes with PUG groups and is probably the reason why you are getting quiet groups. I have done the Vet dungeons with a lot of PUG groups and for the most part the groups use the same strategies. Every now and then someone wants to do something different. I'm always willing to try something different, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

It's not text chat, it's just different players

Consoles offer more ppl access at a lower cost. Also, there are just as many greats on console too it just may be that because you don't play often, you're friends list of good and great players is not built.

Play more

Brrrofski · June 2016

Wow, thanks op!

Thanks for assuming we're all a bunch of numbnuts just because some people you did a dungeon with were morons.

Funny how I know countless people who can run dungeons and trials without any issues or wipes.

Casual console players may be more casual than pc, but there are plenty us that have invested time into the game and "understand" mechanics absolutely fine. Try joining a guild and you'd see that.

Also, I watch a lot of streams of eso. Most of them seem to be pvp. Sometimes when people 1vX, I'm amazed how bad the players are. None of the 6 of them cc, root or snare them. They chase them around rocks like morons and get separated. That doean't happen on my server. 2 or 3 people will just shut you down. You try to kill one, they'll go super defensive while the others then go all out on you. Maybe it's because the more serious pc players seem to know each other and usually don't fight? Either way, wish we had more player like that on xbox.

Pc does have have holding add one too. We haven't been able to measure damage until last patch. Buff timers is a huge thing too, as well as "cleanse now" and stuff like that.

KingYogi415 · June 2016

The only difference between console and PC is text chat add-ons.
OP is delusional if they think pc people have more skill.

Your' top players have been using CE and macros since beta.
How do you think console players use their ps4 without internet access??!

I find PC players disconnected from reality. Somehow PC players sound like south park San-Franciscans.

KingYogi415 · June 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFllGCIzkMU

Please find a PC player who can do this (WITHOUT CHEAT ENGINE) and we can agree all platforms are equal!

Brrrofski · June 2016

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

I'm a consoler player and I was getting ready to be a bit offended but it's actually quite factual when considering the majority of the console community.

I'm not the majority, my YouTube page is covered with ESO guides and my safari has Tamriel foundry book marked.

I didn't even enter a vet dungeon until I was at cp cap with all gold gear and much study of each vet dungeon before being a nuseance to my fellow ESO players. I wish others I grouped with had the same passion for doing their best to make the game more enjoyable in group settings however for the majority that's not the case.

I do think the PC community does have the advantage of add-ons like parses and big pinballesque pop ups letting them know when things are procc'd, I know I've been certain frags has procc'ed at times but thanks to high ping I've missed my cast window and hard cast at least once every couple of runs but this game does need to be studied. There's just too much to learn to ignore the mechanics (as a whole).

But I'm sure as others have said that this will not reach your target audience.

Ps: the statement about PC players being smarter because of their keyboards and mouse is a little funny. Xbox Elite controllers are amazing. I'd even use one on PC. Never liked PC's as all mine in my teens were one year throw aways whilst I've got a 10 year old Xbox that still plays like a dream. Preference. Not intelligence.

So you didn't do a dungeon until max cp? Some of us were doing them at vet 1, so we've had a huge amount of practise. I was doing vet city of Ash at vet 10. Gold key and all. As many were.

And no mater how good an elite controller is, it doesn't compare to mouse and keyboard. Along with more control, ults, cc break, synergy ect are open button, not two.

Spliffo · June 2016

Yeah OP you can't judge all console players based on a few scrubs you couldn't carry through some dungeons. Find new people to play with there are plenty of console players more than capable of completing all content in the game

Brrrofski · June 2016

Also Op, if you recently switched console, your lack of CP, therefore damage may also have been a hinderence to your teams

bareheiny · June 2016

Beardimus wrote: »

I have not heard one pure console player want it - with our stupid on screen keyboards there really is no point.

Hey now...you can't have been around these parts very long!

There's a history of threads requesting it. And in each one, there's at least one mention of simply plugging a USB keyboard into your console...or grabbing not one of those fancy keypad things for your controller.

Man, I miss text chat...not quite enough to go back to DCUO though. Yet.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Also Op, if you recently switched console, your lack of CP, therefore damage may also have been a hinderence to your teams

200 cps,I was DPS at low lvl,switched to tank at VR 1 because i get instant queue,I said to myself " I have lots of experience tanking why not just go tank" and with my experience Im not one of those DPS that queue as tank just for quick queue.I queue as tank for quick queue and im actually a tank.

I went from vr 1 to vr 15 just doing random dungeons and pledges(thanks ZOS for making dungeon crawling viable for leveling,about time) so you can imagine how many dungeons on console i have already run.Which gives me pretty good info for comparing success runs between PC and console via grp tool.I find that I have many more success runs on PC than on console.In the many failed runs on console i found that a common issue is the lack of knowledge about mechanics and builds.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Spliffo wrote: »

Yeah OP you can't judge all console players based on a few scrubs you couldn't carry through some dungeons. Find new people to play with there are plenty of console players more than capable of completing all content in the game

I didnt judge all console players,read my post again.Im talking about the players i have run with that we have fail the run which are many compared to my runs on PC.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFllGCIzkMU

Please find a PC player who can do this (WITHOUT CHEAT ENGINE) and we can agree all platforms are equal!

Here same thing but on PC.See my friend your post its a good example of uninformed players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHkxowWcsZU

Brrrofski · June 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

americansteel wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

This thread is a perfect example of ignorant pc gamers. Welcome OP to the wonderful humble world of console gaming.

i agree.

played ESO on PC beta and early access i play both XB1 and PC still.

this topic is kinda dumb and misleading.

the dungeon subject- consoles dont have a whole array of MMO offerings like PC ESO and PC players have an advantage due to the fact console was released later.

ESO on console wont make it past 2 years thats how it is. console players are feed new games every year we want them thats why ESO console wont last as long as PC versions.

like a new game it takes time to know the mechanics. console or pc

also xbx1 ps4 text chat will be waste. i can see it in riften text chat alot of your mom is fat jokes or text battle rappers.

There's a lot of rubbish on zone chat on PC too tbh (you can tell when some people have had a little too much to drink on a Friday night!), but it's a simple matter to configure chat to have zone chat off by default.

Agree it happens on most MMOs with text chat,but i think the pros of having a text chat

Brrrofski wrote: »

Also Op, if you recently switched console, your lack of CP, therefore damage may also have been a hinderence to your teams

200 cps,I was DPS at low lvl,switched to tank at VR 1 because i get instant queue,I said to myself " I have lots of experience tanking why not just go tank" and with my experience Im not one of those DPS that queue as tank just for quick queue.I queue as tank for quick queue and im actually a tank.

I went from vr 1 to vr 15 just doing random dungeons and pledges(thanks ZOS for making dungeon crawling viable for leveling,about time) so you can imagine how many dungeons on console i have already run.Which gives me pretty good info for comparing success runs between PC and console via grp tool.I find that I have many more success runs on PC than on console.In the many failed runs on console i found that a common issue is the lack of knowledge about mechanics and builds.

Casual players are probably more casual on console. Group finder is full of them. But your op makes all console players sound like idiots. We're not. The casuals you speak of are casual enough to not come here. Plus pc has add ons which makes a huge difference.

Peekachu99 · June 2016

Anecdotal stories are not empirical. I've found the complete opposite to the OP actually, after swapping back to PS4 from PC. Everyone communicates via voice chat and the full v16 groups that you q with are 90% steamroll crews where everyone is optimized and knows their roles. Yes, you get dud groups, too--but those are easy to identify after the first pull.

Sure, I've lost 4K visuals, but the community is so much larger and more active that I hardly care. Trading on console is garbage, though--that can't be denied.

FloppyTouch · June 2016

I'm a PC transfer from beta been on xbox1 for a year, I talk to all my guilds and funny thing they all use the forums

not sure where u got that info. I would also like to add most ppl that do the 4 man and 12 man stuff all stick with each other from there guild the group finder are all pugs that don't know wth they are doing, I also ran into these ppl on PC.

Skill wise for the amount of info Xbox players have to work with the do really good the "hardcore" players are just as good as the PC.

Buffler · June 2016

What utter nonsense.

More skill is required on console as there are no addons to hold the players hands.

There are bad players on both platforms....just as there are good.

Sadly, a lot of pc players seem to think they are the absolute bollox as they play on pc.

KingYogi415 · June 2016

@vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Cool. Just show me proof that player was not boosting every stat by 10-20% with cheat engine and we can call it even!

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2016

Let me clarify something here.Im not saying that console players are bad.Im saying that many (based on my experience on both platforms) are uninformed about many aspect and mechanic in dungeons.I can be the best tank in the game,but if I dont know I have to turn Hovantud the Fire Maw away from the group he will fry them with his fire breath and foward stump(this example happened to me) and I will look like a bad tank without skills when in reality I was just uninformed of that mechanic.I went to a guide and learned that boss mechanic.

And this is what Im seeing,which happens on PC too but a lot less compared to console.

Awesome players on console?No doubt about it.If there wasnt any I would have quit the game already.And Im pretty sure those players read info on the net and discuss it with others players.Sadly I find more players on console that dont study the game.

You know why like 75% of the info needed to play the game on a optimize level is not in the game?They dont put that info in the game because they want to promote communities outside the game.They want community websites that discover and discuss mechanics.And because of that,reading that info on the net is basically a must if you wnat to know the whole game.

KingYogi415 · June 2016

You are repeating the same points, I can read a couple lines up...

Maybe console has many many more players than PC and thus a bigger pool of casuals.

It's too bad ZOS won't release any numbers!