@Mureel , @Shunravi yeah it was pretty bad.... even typed out word for word what it said and the fact that it said RANGE ... i was like... it is NOT radius it is NOT enemieS... it is TARGET ... the guy was like "i dont care what it says... it IS an AoE" ... just a complete idiot .... i was like who is the one playing a NB??? ME NOT you ... then kicked lol

I thought pugs are only in pvp
We had such kind of experience when 3 of us were trying to do gold while the 4th was just standing in the beginning of the dungeon. Then, when we were about to kill the final boss, he suddenly came to help us. But we've just kicked him so he didn't get the activity done

rotaugen454 wrote: »

FrostFallFox wrote: »

Finger pointing and throwing a fit is the worst.

Gotta love the people who yell at the healer when they die because they refuse to not stand in the red.

"You should healz me when I jump in the boss's mouth! *ragey ragey rage*"

@WanderingJarlPuncher wrote: »

worst rudeness ever in any mmo and pugs: elitism.
you cant do 39k dps on your char at cp100? kick
you cant hold aggro vs a 475 bis char at level 49 ? kick
you only do 15k dps in a silver? kick
youre new to an instance? kick
you cant link speed run achievement to help a a level 14 char in a level 14 scaled instace? kick

Wat? In pugs?
Sorry, I do not believe this.
And I didnt get the part about keepin aggro... If you taunt the mob, it will attack you, regardless of cps your dds have.
Can probably believe about "new to the instance" part, but I always pugged to get undaunted on alts, and no one ever kicked me when I asked a group if its ok if I'll do the quest.

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

@Mureel , @Shunravi yeah it was pretty bad.... even typed out word for word what it said and the fact that it said RANGE ... i was like... it is NOT radius it is NOT enemieS... it is TARGET ... the guy was like "i dont care what it says... it IS an AoE" ... just a complete idiot .... i was like who is the one playing a NB??? ME NOT you ... then kicked lol

Why does it matter if you're using an aoe in the first place? I don't get that.

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

Baconfat79 wrote: »

Some of my favorites:

1.) People who join a run and have ZERO soul gems, then expect us to sit and wait while they wayshrine and run back everybtime they die. Not to mention the fact that they can't raise others.

2.) People who join and then go AFK every couple minutes.

3.) People who queue as a tank or healer, but only have a DPS loadout.

4.) People who join, but have 12k HP and no food.

5.) The bad-ass who posts DPS parses after every pull. Not even bosses...trash pulls. Congrats. We're all very impressed.

How about the guy who shows up with his gear at 0% and has to leave the dungeon to get it repaired?

@chaserstorm16909 I was that guy but it didn't help that we wiped over 9000 times on the same boss! "I know I should have quit but the group communicated and we tried to solve the bosses mechanics."

kargen27 wrote: »

EquinoxS wrote: »

I'm no master angler but maybe he was going for a fishing achievment?

Seems harsh kicking them.

There is no trophy fish in Wayrest Sewers. Only white fish that you can clean in hopes of getting Perfect Roe. If he was trying for the achievement he was wasting his time. I think the delves at Wrothgar are the only ones in game that will give you trophy fish.

Technically, what you are saying is wrong, @kargen27 . No fishing hole is designed to give / not give trophy fish. All fishing holes in the game can give trophy fish for their given water type, based on RNG. The fishing holes in Wayrest sewers MAY provide trophy fish, but not more and not less than any other foul water fishing hole in Stormhaven. You don't need to fish there to get the achievement, but fishing there is not a waste of time.

Humorously enough a lot of times the person doing this:

Cazzy wrote: »

"You should healz me when I jump in the boss's mouth! *ragey ragey rage*"

Is also the guy that did this:

Baconfat79 wrote: »

4.) People who join, but have 12k HP and no food.

Anyway joking aside, over all I'd say that while yes there are the occasional awkward or annoying moments, the majority of my experiences with PuGs in ESO have been more or less favorable. Rarely have I run into someone who's behavior was so utterly intolerable I felt that either they needed to be kicked from the group or I had to leave. Which is a pleasant change of pace in comparison to some of people I've had to deal with in other games.

I mean, yeah here people can be impatient, careless and sometimes rather selfish but that's usually the worst of it. You don't often run into someone who's just an all around mean, miserable, nasty, spiteful SOB that's made it their sole mission in life to make you hate logging in.

Woeler wrote: »

Aaaah the group finder, the place for the really desperate people. Never been there.

i'm not desperate :'(

SJD_Phoenix wrote: »

Baconfat79 wrote: »

Some of my favorites:

1.) People who join a run and have ZERO soul gems, then expect us to sit and wait while they wayshrine and run back everybtime they die. Not to mention the fact that they can't raise others.

2.) People who join and then go AFK every couple minutes.

3.) People who queue as a tank or healer, but only have a DPS loadout.

4.) People who join, but have 12k HP and no food.

5.) The bad-ass who posts DPS parses after every pull. Not even bosses...trash pulls. Congrats. We're all very impressed.

Although I agree with most of these I'd tend to disagree with point 3, mainly because there's less and less need for tanks in this game. You can get by in most dungeons with 3 average DPS and a healer, or 4 decent DPS for that matter. In fact some dungeons are easier without a tank (vet darkshade for example)

It just boils down to DPS not realising you have to self sustain to a degree and stop relying on having your hand held by the tank as he take literally ALL the aggro and expect the healer to only be looking at your health bars and not contributing to damage.

I tend to feel that it doesn't matter "what you can do" in content, it matters that a person lies to get themselves grouped quicker and then expects to be carried through when the rest of the group has already defined roles. You either know how to do the role you select or you get voted to get kicked by my group, that's just how it is. Besides I like the experience of a well rounded party that is capable of doing things correctly.

Then again I only pug when I'm truly bored.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

EquinoxS wrote: »

I'm no master angler but maybe he was going for a fishing achievment?

Seems harsh kicking them.

There is no trophy fish in Wayrest Sewers. Only white fish that you can clean in hopes of getting Perfect Roe. If he was trying for the achievement he was wasting his time. I think the delves at Wrothgar are the only ones in game that will give you trophy fish.

Technically, what you are saying is wrong, @kargen27 . No fishing hole is designed to give / not give trophy fish. All fishing holes in the game can give trophy fish for their given water type, based on RNG. The fishing holes in Wayrest sewers MAY provide trophy fish, but not more and not less than any other foul water fishing hole in Stormhaven. You don't need to fish there to get the achievement, but fishing there is not a waste of time.

Something must have changed. I belonged to a guild that was dedicated to getting the fishing achievement. We held several fishing events. None of us ever (and many wasted stacks of bait trying) ever caught a trophy fish in dungeon waters until Wrothgar came out. The delves in Wrothgar are some of the best places to get the fowl fish for that zone. If anybody has actually caught a trophy fish in Wayrest I would appreciate knowing as I don't want to give out bad information. For now though I am going to say Wayrest Sewers and other dungeons do not give out trophy fish. Bad luck with RNG is one thing, but many people using multiple stacks of bait without one trophy fish being caught leads me to believe there are no trophy fish there. As an aside Deshaan isn't suppose to have any fowl water holes. I found two and used over 1000 pieces of bait in those two holes. Didn't get a single trophy fish. Fishing the other water types I did get the fowl fish just like you would expect in an area with no fowl water holes.

The PUG-gers life can truly be a difficult one. I have been an on and off player since BETA. Taking ‘breaks’ for various reasons. Some comments related to the tenor of the OP regarding behavioral-related observations, at least to me

--“Cultural’ emphasis on your DPS number (is that like a sleep number? ). DPS meters offer only a metric of the whole. Group contribution can and does occur outside of the quantitative. Healing prevented or damage prevented by taking out higher risk targets or good old fashion interrupting once and a while. Your characters actions that help to not tie up the ever-dynamic, but cascading chain of events towards resource and battle management of those around you. I am not saying the meters referenced are not relevant, but they paint only a partial picture.

--General absence of interrupting, bashing, and even blocking. Some of the most powerful tools in a group that all have access, albeit some more others. Archer about to fire into the group before they go down…well let’s just slam this bow up their nose since I am right here… why are my arms glowing? Mr. Tank and Mr. Healer, since I am on top of the boss too (of course not standing in stupid, which we all get caught in from time to time) how about I jam this sword through the boss’s face and prevent a hard hitting cast, freeing up your stamina pool from future abuse gained through aggro Mr. Tank and opening a world of options to you Mr. Healer…wait what’s with these crazy glowing arms?

--Please put two feet in the area heal every now and again or at least understand that you very much share in the life and death of your avatar. Now let’s just hope you are above a one-shot threshold, can manage aggro to some degree, can execute lower health target with the best of them, don’t get caught in that circumstantial caught in stupid moment (because no one ever, ever just stands in stupid, right?), or some combination thereof.

--If the battle permits, how about not dragging mobs or bosses out of good guy ground AoEs…or at least be conscious of that as an option as situation allows. How about respective positioning of the group on bosses as circumstance allow, such as tank turning away from others or others behind boss (within potential heal range, of course).

--Kicking and dropping. See more of a minus side with the kicking concept, but I understand why it is there…even if it could be abused (I think a button poll to drop group without consequence is an idea worth vetting). If group finder didn’t bug out every now and again, I think more punitive account-wide re-up would be appropriate. Give a group a legitimate chance. Whether through spamming zone or [trying] use the tool, you threw your hat into random. If in group chat someone indicates ‘no’ to the question ‘does everyone know this boss fight?’, they probably are not lying. Expect a practice run on the harder bosses (especially if you choose to not spoil discovery to the first-timers of your group—only get to run something for the first time once). Reveal strategy insight appropriately. Is a ‘take 5’ moment appropriate (capable group, but might need the re-grouping…maybe for some to take a sneaky looksee on google).

More can be added to the list, but I felt compelled to offer a ‘my 2 cents’ start.

TL:DR Although the ‘bad’ PUG grouping experiences stand out, the really fun runs vastly outnumber any bad. ELE. Everybody love everybody.