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LoL that isn't something I just came up with, it's basic anti-intrusion. There are a few ways around this problem:
1. Never trust the client, so you always store sensitive data on the server only.
The client is readonly. This is done on games like gta V, the client literally is a presentation layer only, but this server arch can't handle that, so buhbye.
2. Encrypt your variables and then decrypt them server side.
This is more fesible, but it requires a two step process and depending on where you keep the keys, its trivial to unlock.
3. Sanity checks
This is more in line with what most online games do. They send a specific query to the client with a specific expected answer. If that answer is out of bounds, they are cheating. For instance, you could do something like on character load, bring all resources to 0, then start regen timer. Depending on the variables send back by the client, you would have a specific answer from the server as to the time to 100. If that time to 100 is faster, there is an issue, drop the client.
4. Memory scanning;
This is my idea above. Basically you include 'cheat engine' within the launcher and you watch the hooks from windows that the program will attach to. If you see activity along that BUS, kill the client.
There are more in my head, but I would start with one of them for sure.
1. Server side validation is the correct design.
2. Fails. Period. Symmetric key encryption requires client and server knowing the keys, and any hacker worth their salt will crack it in the span of days.
3. Essentially the same as one.
4. Fails. Period. Trivial to bypass using any number of techniques, including direct message manipulation. It's why programs like "hackshield" and the like fail.
Additional server side validation is the only real fix. Any client side "fixes" would be cracked in a matter days.
Yeah hence the overarching theme of all my posts in the last 3-4 days:
People will continue to cheat in this game until more server checks are done.
I think you may have read that a few times from my account.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.5 -
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We do not want information on the perma bans. We want information on this program being used and what is being done about it's uses. Seems like people can still use it from no comments about itRoehamad_Ali wrote: »Look , fellas , they're not gonna go into detail anymore . They already said they're being vague on purpose . I seriously doubt you're gonna get an answer on perma bans being lifted or what they can or can't do to catch cheaters anymore after that statement . It's a waste of energy to keep shoving the microphone in their face for more clarity .
This is exactly what everyone I talk to and myself would like to know. Can they still use Cheat Engine or not. And when will ZOS eliminate the opportunity to do so. I could care less HOW they do it, as long as it's done. Confidence will remain low until such time.
Unless they implemented additional server side checks, then the answer is most likely yes. You wouldn't even need to use cheat engine. Any program that can read the stream and be scripted to alter/create messages would be able to do the same thing (or worse).
This is basically what bot programs do. The difference here though is that someone figured out that server side checking for other actions besides moving and farming were either lax or missing. Once they figured that out it was just a matter of creating/finding the best tool for the job. In this case, it seems simply altering the right memory addresses was enough instead of directly parsing/modding the stream.
I'm really hoping this was simply an oversight/bug and not representative of a fundamental flaw in design. A bug can usually be fixed in short order. A design flaw can mean a significant amount of work that could take a long time (along with an irate manager or two swinging the axe on those most responsible).
I'm an SSE with a major corporation, and if something like this had cropped up in software that I designed, I'd be kicked out the door so fast there would be scorch marks. :P
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We do not want information on the perma bans. We want information on this program being used and what is being done about it's uses. Seems like people can still use it from no comments about itRoehamad_Ali wrote: »Look , fellas , they're not gonna go into detail anymore . They already said they're being vague on purpose . I seriously doubt you're gonna get an answer on perma bans being lifted or what they can or can't do to catch cheaters anymore after that statement . It's a waste of energy to keep shoving the microphone in their face for more clarity .
This is exactly what everyone I talk to and myself would like to know. Can they still use Cheat Engine or not. And when will ZOS eliminate the opportunity to do so. I could care less HOW they do it, as long as it's done. Confidence will remain low until such time.
Unless they implemented additional server side checks, then the answer is most likely yes. You wouldn't even need to use cheat engine. Any program that can read the stream and be scripted to alter/create messages would be able to do the same thing (or worse).
This is basically what bot programs do. The difference here though is that someone figured out that server side checking for other actions besides moving and farming were either lax or missing. Once they figured that out it was just a matter of creating/finding the best tool for the job. In this case, it seems simply altering the right memory addresses was enough instead of directly parsing/modding the stream.
I'm really hoping this was simply an oversight/bug and not representative of a fundamental flaw in design. A bug can usually be fixed in short order. A design flaw can mean a significant amount of work that could take a long time (along with an irate manager or two swinging the axe on those most responsible).
I'm an SSE with a major corporation, and if something like this had cropped up in software that I designed, I'd be kicked out the door so fast there would be scorch marks. :P
You guys are like superheroes to guys like meh. I commend you for using your superpowers for good and not nefarious deeds.
Would you like to know a secret...? You are a "superhero" too, and anyone else. Programming and code development and manipulation is as easy as adding 1+1. Of course that's exaggeration, but all programming is is basically math and following a series of "rules" the code's language dictates. As long as what you do is within those "rules", you're free to build and carry on.
It's like alchemy in ESO. If you combine the correct reagents, everything will be smooth and get desirable results. And as time goes on, new reagents are encountered and combinations. The exception to that analogy is that you can go outside of these reagents perimeters, but be very careful of what you mix up. Or else you risk drastic error, but that is where the fun lies...
I personally find ecstasy in finding out how all things in the cyber world work. Regardless of how complex and or intricate. It drives me wild when I find the source of a piece of software, and have mastered them enough to manipulate it however I wish (of course within authorization of course
). I could spend hours solo in front of a computer, by myself, just tinkering around with my tools. I don't need any company. I don't need any help. Just give me my tools, and leave me be. 
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If you decided to be an "alchemist", do be careful with "poisons". They can have quite the nasty side effect if handled improperly — as can those who are masters of poisons (if taunted enough). Edited by Ch4mpTW on June 3, 2016 5:08PM1 -
Refuse2GrowUp✭✭✭✭✭I think ZOS has shown the worst capability and intent to punish cheating, other than bots, of any game I have played. Biggest factor ruining the game for me! I want fair and competitive play without having to second guess who is using any number of current exploits or hacks. And it is disheartnening to know that reporting players will result in zero action taken. Hell, popular streamers are often using any and all known exploits in their gameplay, for all to see, and even teaching how to do it, and ZOS takes no action. It is complete BSPS4 NA Server
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Xylphan✭✭✭✭Would you like to know a secret...? You are a "superhero" too, and anyone else. Programming and code development and manipulation is as easy as adding 1+1. Of course that's exaggeration, but all programming is is basically math and following a series of "rules" the code's language dictates. As long as what you do is within those "rules", you're free to build and carry on.
Erm...sort of. True, anyone can program a computer. But at the same time, anyone can also cook, paint, etc. Just because someone can paint a picture doesn't make them the next Da Vinci.
Programming (or in the larger context, software engineering) is as much an art as a science. And like any such skill, some just have a knack for it while others not so much. For example, I didn't actually "discover" computer programming until I was a sophmore in college, and by the end of the semester I was coding circles around even my professor. Quite literally in fact. It was the first year 3D programming was being taught using OpenGL (yes I'm that old) and one of the applications I wrote had my professor's image on a 2D billboard with morphing circles, polygons, and spheres appearing around him. I ended up making it a screen saver for him at his request.
At any rate, you never know until you try. Compared to back in my day there is HUGE amount of free material online to get you going and the best practices to use. There are even tons of free tools, compilers, and even game middleware engines complete with their own dev studios (Unity, for example). Fundamentally it really is just math and flipping switches.
But we're getting off the subject.
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kenpachi480✭✭✭Zazeerisme for Life
*** any and every shadowguild that came after the one and only Shadow Guild,. no more support from me for this game
no mather how epic clockwork city is gonna be,. I drop support for ESO now completely,. game breaking bugs some @ZOS_BrianWheeler who tells us to unstress cyrodiil pvp by pvping with smaller crowds (while fights of 3000 man was promised,. cuz of the special technique they where using called mega servers) promising new systems, showcasing new systems and lands, but then need 1,5 year ++++++++ to introduce them,. and then yeah sorry guys, spellcrafting is back burner cuz we cant say if its possible yet or not, but backburner, oh the pvp element you guys liked on justice system phase 3,. not gonna happen, yeah it will force people to pvp in the cuddle-zones, it will ruin emmersion
@Rylana saw your response on zaz thread,. dont declare eternal love if you dont even bother to drop by on TS to say hi to us,. you know us your friends.....
(find me in BDO if anyone else cares, or dont and see if I care)
GoS Vassal Out
Edited by kenpachi480 on June 4, 2016 8:38AMPain and Dead are the cost to the enjoyment of Battle
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭kenpachi480 wrote: »Zazeerisme for Life
*** any and every shadowguild that came after the one and only Shadow Guild,. no more support from me for this game
no mather how epic clockwork city is gonna be,. I drop support for ESO now completely,. game breaking bugs some @ZOS_BrianWheeler who tells us to unstress cyrodiil pvp by pvping with smaller crowds (while fights of 3000 man was promised,. cuz of the special technique they where using called mega servers) promising new systems, showcasing new systems and lands, but then need 1,5 year ++++++++ to introduce them,. and then yeah sorry guys, spellcrafting is back burner cuz we cant say if its possible yet or not, but backburner, oh the pvp element you guys liked on justice system phase 3,. not gonna happen, yeah it will force people to pvp in the cuddle-zones, it will ruin emmersion
@Rylana saw your response on zaz thread,. dont declare eternal love if you dont even bother to drop by on TS to say hi to us,. you know us your friends.....
(find me in BDO if anyone else cares, or dont and see if I care)
GoS Vassal Out
@kenpachi480
You ok...?1 -
kenpachi480✭✭✭kenpachi480 wrote: »Zazeerisme for Life
*** any and every shadowguild that came after the one and only Shadow Guild,. no more support from me for this game
no mather how epic clockwork city is gonna be,. I drop support for ESO now completely,. game breaking bugs some @ZOS_BrianWheeler who tells us to unstress cyrodiil pvp by pvping with smaller crowds (while fights of 3000 man was promised,. cuz of the special technique they where using called mega servers) promising new systems, showcasing new systems and lands, but then need 1,5 year ++++++++ to introduce them,. and then yeah sorry guys, spellcrafting is back burner cuz we cant say if its possible yet or not, but backburner, oh the pvp element you guys liked on justice system phase 3,. not gonna happen, yeah it will force people to pvp in the cuddle-zones, it will ruin emmersion
@Rylana saw your response on zaz thread,. dont declare eternal love if you dont even bother to drop by on TS to say hi to us,. you know us your friends.....
(find me in BDO if anyone else cares, or dont and see if I care)
GoS Vassal Out
@kenpachi480
You ok...?
don't care what you think or what meme you use,. but half EP owes their thanks to Zazeer efforts, and to see rats fleeing the ship as soon as it hits reef is sickening,. dont think i am now all pumped up,. i flick the cross top right in a moment and contineu to the normal order of the day,. but shots had to be f***ing firedEdited by kenpachi480 on June 4, 2016 1:07PMPain and Dead are the cost to the enjoyment of Battle
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✭✭✭✭✭kenpachi480 wrote: »kenpachi480 wrote: »Zazeerisme for Life
*** any and every shadowguild that came after the one and only Shadow Guild,. no more support from me for this game
no mather how epic clockwork city is gonna be,. I drop support for ESO now completely,. game breaking bugs some @ZOS_BrianWheeler who tells us to unstress cyrodiil pvp by pvping with smaller crowds (while fights of 3000 man was promised,. cuz of the special technique they where using called mega servers) promising new systems, showcasing new systems and lands, but then need 1,5 year ++++++++ to introduce them,. and then yeah sorry guys, spellcrafting is back burner cuz we cant say if its possible yet or not, but backburner, oh the pvp element you guys liked on justice system phase 3,. not gonna happen, yeah it will force people to pvp in the cuddle-zones, it will ruin emmersion
@Rylana saw your response on zaz thread,. dont declare eternal love if you dont even bother to drop by on TS to say hi to us,. you know us your friends.....
(find me in BDO if anyone else cares, or dont and see if I care)
GoS Vassal Out
@kenpachi480
You ok...?
don't care what you think or what meme you use,. but half EP owes their thanks to Zazeer efforts, and to see rats fleeing the ship as soon as it hits reef is sickening,. dont think i am now all pumped up,. i flick the cross top right in a moment and contineu to the normal order of the day,. but shots had to be f***ing fired
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✭✭✭✭✭kenpachi480 wrote: »kenpachi480 wrote: »Zazeerisme for Life
*** any and every shadowguild that came after the one and only Shadow Guild,. no more support from me for this game
no mather how epic clockwork city is gonna be,. I drop support for ESO now completely,. game breaking bugs some @ZOS_BrianWheeler who tells us to unstress cyrodiil pvp by pvping with smaller crowds (while fights of 3000 man was promised,. cuz of the special technique they where using called mega servers) promising new systems, showcasing new systems and lands, but then need 1,5 year ++++++++ to introduce them,. and then yeah sorry guys, spellcrafting is back burner cuz we cant say if its possible yet or not, but backburner, oh the pvp element you guys liked on justice system phase 3,. not gonna happen, yeah it will force people to pvp in the cuddle-zones, it will ruin emmersion
@Rylana saw your response on zaz thread,. dont declare eternal love if you dont even bother to drop by on TS to say hi to us,. you know us your friends.....
(find me in BDO if anyone else cares, or dont and see if I care)
GoS Vassal Out
@kenpachi480
You ok...?
don't care what you think or what meme you use,. but half EP owes their thanks to Zazeer efforts, and to see rats fleeing the ship as soon as it hits reef is sickening,. dont think i am now all pumped up,. i flick the cross top right in a moment and contineu to the normal order of the day,. but shots had to be f***ing fired
@kenpachi480
I have no idea what your original post even has to do with the thread's topic alone, let alone what you're so in your feelings for. Rofl! Zazeer did what they did knowing it was against the rules he agreed to. So what he gets, he gets. All that wolfing and trying to pop off here on the forums won't provide justice to their actions either, or make anyone worry in the slightest about that guild or any in the Ebonheart Pact. Lmao.
And haven't you heard? "If it's red, it's dead." That's the rule in Cyrodiil. It's not my fault, or anyone in this thread's fault you joined the wrong alliance, and are all salty because back-after-back cheaters from the Ebonheart Pact are getting sniped by ZOS staff. And please don't try acting hard at me again. I'm a proud Dominion mage, and yes the rumors are true about AD's mages. M'kay? My staves have enough magicka to Harry Potter the tough guy act out of any wannabe Voldemort Pact member. Alright? If you wanna get into it, feel free to send a message, and we can arrange a battle so long as you're on the NA server. Alright?
And back to the topic at hand, I'm still waiting for a more in-depth statement from ZOS. What was posted by Jessica was comforting, in that it let us know that they are attempting to have some form of its communication with its player base. But it's still not good enough. I feel we need more than that, even though I have a strong feeling we won't receive it.
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ИВАН_ВОДКА✭✭✭if some1 missedI am posting this on behalf of Zazeer
"Greetings all, I am Zazeer.
Over the last two years I have enjoyed many countless hours on the Elder scrolls Online, primarily in PvP, i made a name for myself and my Guild, I made it to the rank of Alliance War General
and despite the many seemingly "game breaking" bugs we have endured i have managed to enjoy my time in ESO.
By now everyone has seen the countless threads, videos and photos of myself and others hacking the game and giving ourselves an unfair advantage in the forms of Unlimited Ultimate, resources and the ability to fly.
Many of you have questioned why someone who has invested so much time and money into this game would throw it all away like this, while many others have expressed their anger and hatred toward me in various forms
for ruining their game-play. To those people, I apologize, I too would be furious if this had happened to me,I too would take to the forums in protest.
Two days ago i was made aware that it was possible to run the Elder scrolls Online through Cheat Engine and alter almost any value to the users liking, I was then filled in on how players have been doing this since launch but discreetly, increasing game speed by just enough so that they can hit you with 3 attacks in a second but claim to be great animation cancelers and get away with it, drop ultimate's at a seemingly fast pace but call it a ulti regen build, and remember that time the 1vX pro you were fighting never ran out of resources? My reaction to this was to enquire how this could have gone on for so long, how a game of this scale can get away with not having any anti-cheat software, how had this not been reported? As it turned out this issue had been reported MANY times in the past, entire demonstrations on how to do this very thing had been sent in yet no action taken, everything swept under the rug. I considered how best to deal with this problem as a player who will now suspect everyone I come across and wonder if they are legit, i could submit yet another ticket as players have done in the past to no avail, I could write a forum thread which might gain some attention but not enough to worry Zos and players who aren't being affected by it would say "yeah that sucks but not happening to me" and that would be that, so instead I made a decision to expose what has been going on and to force a response, I decided to take the hack and put it on display for all to see, to be made aware of, I looked over my account that i had spent 2 years working on, an account that meant a lot to me and accepted that this was the day Zazeer died.Friends who no longer had faith in the progress of this game decided to go down with me and we did our best to enjoy our last hours on ESO, while painful & frustrating for everyone else our goal was to show everybody what was going on, to get everyone's attention, to affect every person that we could so that it could not be ignored, the more frustrated the players were the more vocal they would be, we walked into zenimax's house and set it on fire, made a problem that could not be ignored any longer. we demonstrated what could be done on live streams so that players could understand the massive extent of the issue, and for the first time in ESO history our entire community united in protest, Threads of outrage and disappointment filled the forums, you shouted as one and Zenimax could not ignore you any longer, the spread of this issue could not be contained or swept under the rug. It may have cost me my account, and a few hours of complete frustration for others but the point has been made and those who are hacking the game can hide no more, everyone will be looking for signs of cheating.
You can be mad at me, disagree with my methods, be disgusted at me, but at the end of it all the truth is now right there for everyone to see, the hackers are now panicking, the Developers are working on fixes and we as a community have spoken, hacking is not acceptable & what is even more unacceptable is that there are no systems in place to prevent hacking.
Here's to a brighter future for ESO!"
Yours truly
Zazeer - V16 Nightblade
Guild Master: Guild of Shadows
Destroyer of Buff Servers
Former Emperor of Dawnbreaker 2.0
1st Grand Slam Emperor (Azuras Star, Thornblade, Chillrend, Haderus, Blackwater Blade, Trueflame, Axe of Belharza)
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »if some1 missedI am posting this on behalf of Zazeer"Greetings all, I am Zazeer.
Over the last two years I have enjoyed many countless hours on the Elder scrolls Online, primarily in PvP, i made a name for myself and my Guild, I made it to the rank of Alliance War General
and despite the many seemingly "game breaking" bugs we have endured i have managed to enjoy my time in ESO.
By now everyone has seen the countless threads, videos and photos of myself and others hacking the game and giving ourselves an unfair advantage in the forms of Unlimited Ultimate, resources and the ability to fly.
Many of you have questioned why someone who has invested so much time and money into this game would throw it all away like this, while many others have expressed their anger and hatred toward me in various forms
for ruining their game-play. To those people, I apologize, I too would be furious if this had happened to me,I too would take to the forums in protest.
Two days ago i was made aware that it was possible to run the Elder scrolls Online through Cheat Engine and alter almost any value to the users liking, I was then filled in on how players have been doing this since launch but discreetly, increasing game speed by just enough so that they can hit you with 3 attacks in a second but claim to be great animation cancelers and get away with it, drop ultimate's at a seemingly fast pace but call it a ulti regen build, and remember that time the 1vX pro you were fighting never ran out of resources? My reaction to this was to enquire how this could have gone on for so long, how a game of this scale can get away with not having any anti-cheat software, how had this not been reported? As it turned out this issue had been reported MANY times in the past, entire demonstrations on how to do this very thing had been sent in yet no action taken, everything swept under the rug. I considered how best to deal with this problem as a player who will now suspect everyone I come across and wonder if they are legit, i could submit yet another ticket as players have done in the past to no avail, I could write a forum thread which might gain some attention but not enough to worry Zos and players who aren't being affected by it would say "yeah that sucks but not happening to me" and that would be that, so instead I made a decision to expose what has been going on and to force a response, I decided to take the hack and put it on display for all to see, to be made aware of, I looked over my account that i had spent 2 years working on, an account that meant a lot to me and accepted that this was the day Zazeer died.Friends who no longer had faith in the progress of this game decided to go down with me and we did our best to enjoy our last hours on ESO, while painful & frustrating for everyone else our goal was to show everybody what was going on, to get everyone's attention, to affect every person that we could so that it could not be ignored, the more frustrated the players were the more vocal they would be, we walked into zenimax's house and set it on fire, made a problem that could not be ignored any longer. we demonstrated what could be done on live streams so that players could understand the massive extent of the issue, and for the first time in ESO history our entire community united in protest, Threads of outrage and disappointment filled the forums, you shouted as one and Zenimax could not ignore you any longer, the spread of this issue could not be contained or swept under the rug. It may have cost me my account, and a few hours of complete frustration for others but the point has been made and those who are hacking the game can hide no more, everyone will be looking for signs of cheating.
You can be mad at me, disagree with my methods, be disgusted at me, but at the end of it all the truth is now right there for everyone to see, the hackers are now panicking, the Developers are working on fixes and we as a community have spoken, hacking is not acceptable & what is even more unacceptable is that there are no systems in place to prevent hacking.
Here's to a brighter future for ESO!"
Yours truly
Zazeer - V16 Nightblade
Guild Master: Guild of Shadows
Destroyer of Buff Servers
Former Emperor of Dawnbreaker 2.0
1st Grand Slam Emperor (Azuras Star, Thornblade, Chillrend, Haderus, Blackwater Blade, Trueflame, Axe of Belharza)
Destroyer of Worlds
What that has to do with the topic, I have no idea. I don't care about Zazeer. Nor any of his so-called accolades, nor accomplishments. He's a cheater in my eyes. A malicious player. And I'm pretty sure I speak for a lot of people in saying that they don't care either. What he did was reckless, and a huge no-no. You don't do something like that before the release of a huge expansion. Correction, you don't do something like that period. And no amount of words is gonna back that up. So screw 'em. And please stop filling this thread up with defense for his actions. This isn't the thread for that, and I'm tired overall of seeing little Guild of Shadow members trying to defend his actions. M'kay?3 -
ИВАН_ВОДКА✭✭✭if no Zazeer, this topic has never been startedEdited by ИВАН_ВОДКА on June 4, 2016 2:52PM0
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✭✭✭✭✭ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »if no Zazeer, this topic has never been started
This topic started a long time ago . @Crown Did the right thing contacting the company way back when , even though it didn't yield any results , it was the right approach .
We STILL haven't yielded any real results from Zazeer's approach either , only his approach was a disaster to many .3 -
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kenpachi480✭✭✭lol proud dominion magekenpachi480 wrote: »kenpachi480 wrote: »Zazeerisme for Life
*** any and every shadowguild that came after the one and only Shadow Guild,. no more support from me for this game
no mather how epic clockwork city is gonna be,. I drop support for ESO now completely,. game breaking bugs some @ZOS_BrianWheeler who tells us to unstress cyrodiil pvp by pvping with smaller crowds (while fights of 3000 man was promised,. cuz of the special technique they where using called mega servers) promising new systems, showcasing new systems and lands, but then need 1,5 year ++++++++ to introduce them,. and then yeah sorry guys, spellcrafting is back burner cuz we cant say if its possible yet or not, but backburner, oh the pvp element you guys liked on justice system phase 3,. not gonna happen, yeah it will force people to pvp in the cuddle-zones, it will ruin emmersion
@Rylana saw your response on zaz thread,. dont declare eternal love if you dont even bother to drop by on TS to say hi to us,. you know us your friends.....
(find me in BDO if anyone else cares, or dont and see if I care)
GoS Vassal Out
@kenpachi480
You ok...?
don't care what you think or what meme you use,. but half EP owes their thanks to Zazeer efforts, and to see rats fleeing the ship as soon as it hits reef is sickening,. dont think i am now all pumped up,. i flick the cross top right in a moment and contineu to the normal order of the day,. but shots had to be f***ing fired
@kenpachi480
I have no idea what your original post even has to do with the thread's topic alone, let alone what you're so in your feelings for. Rofl! Zazeer did what they did knowing it was against the rules he agreed to. So what he gets, he gets. All that wolfing and trying to pop off here on the forums won't provide justice to their actions either, or make anyone worry in the slightest about that guild or any in the Ebonheart Pact. Lmao.
And haven't you heard? "If it's red, it's dead." That's the rule in Cyrodiil. It's not my fault, or anyone in this thread's fault you joined the wrong alliance, and are all salty because back-after-back cheaters from the Ebonheart Pact are getting sniped by ZOS staff. And please don't try acting hard at me again. I'm a proud Dominion mage, and yes the rumors are true about AD's mages. M'kay? My staves have enough magicka to Harry Potter the tough guy act out of any wannabe Voldemort Pact member. Alright? If you wanna get into it, feel free to send a message, and we can arrange a battle so long as you're on the NA server. Alright?
And back to the topic at hand, I'm still waiting for a more in-depth statement from ZOS. What was posted by Jessica was comforting, in that it let us know that they are attempting to have some form of its communication with its player base. But it's still not good enough. I feel we need more than that, even though I have a strong feeling we won't receive it.
lol for someone who is so proud on himself you sound quite worried about the pressence and actions of said guild, but you get me wrong I left ESO 4 months ago and GoS died way before that, but all the people who could have contineud the legacy fled the ship like rats,. making invictus and Darkest Requim,. not one seizable ammount of players who helped zaz make zaz great are arround anymore therefore you connecting zazeers actions to his legacy is just fallacy on its own,.
and still the reason of me posting here was to show support, to cast off the traitors and a middlefinger to ZOS for allowing this in the first place.. so please no mather how proud you are on yourself,. dont expect me to respond to you or your content of your opinion directly anymore.Pain and Dead are the cost to the enjoyment of Battle
Captain Otter Wildwater - DK - V12 - EP
GoS Vassal - Templar - V16 - EP
Captain Izanagi Tsukiko - Sorc - still lvling - EP
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✭✭No need to make a new thread, they will lock this just keep comments in
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268218/zos-how-are-we-as-a-community-dealing-with-exploits-hacking/p1
You can't be aggressive to protect your own thread, makes you look like a ***.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭kenpachi480 wrote: »lol proud dominion magekenpachi480 wrote: »kenpachi480 wrote: »Zazeerisme for Life
*** any and every shadowguild that came after the one and only Shadow Guild,. no more support from me for this game
no mather how epic clockwork city is gonna be,. I drop support for ESO now completely,. game breaking bugs some @ZOS_BrianWheeler who tells us to unstress cyrodiil pvp by pvping with smaller crowds (while fights of 3000 man was promised,. cuz of the special technique they where using called mega servers) promising new systems, showcasing new systems and lands, but then need 1,5 year ++++++++ to introduce them,. and then yeah sorry guys, spellcrafting is back burner cuz we cant say if its possible yet or not, but backburner, oh the pvp element you guys liked on justice system phase 3,. not gonna happen, yeah it will force people to pvp in the cuddle-zones, it will ruin emmersion
@Rylana saw your response on zaz thread,. dont declare eternal love if you dont even bother to drop by on TS to say hi to us,. you know us your friends.....
(find me in BDO if anyone else cares, or dont and see if I care)
GoS Vassal Out
@kenpachi480
You ok...?
don't care what you think or what meme you use,. but half EP owes their thanks to Zazeer efforts, and to see rats fleeing the ship as soon as it hits reef is sickening,. dont think i am now all pumped up,. i flick the cross top right in a moment and contineu to the normal order of the day,. but shots had to be f***ing fired
@kenpachi480
I have no idea what your original post even has to do with the thread's topic alone, let alone what you're so in your feelings for. Rofl! Zazeer did what they did knowing it was against the rules he agreed to. So what he gets, he gets. All that wolfing and trying to pop off here on the forums won't provide justice to their actions either, or make anyone worry in the slightest about that guild or any in the Ebonheart Pact. Lmao.
And haven't you heard? "If it's red, it's dead." That's the rule in Cyrodiil. It's not my fault, or anyone in this thread's fault you joined the wrong alliance, and are all salty because back-after-back cheaters from the Ebonheart Pact are getting sniped by ZOS staff. And please don't try acting hard at me again. I'm a proud Dominion mage, and yes the rumors are true about AD's mages. M'kay? My staves have enough magicka to Harry Potter the tough guy act out of any wannabe Voldemort Pact member. Alright? If you wanna get into it, feel free to send a message, and we can arrange a battle so long as you're on the NA server. Alright?
And back to the topic at hand, I'm still waiting for a more in-depth statement from ZOS. What was posted by Jessica was comforting, in that it let us know that they are attempting to have some form of its communication with its player base. But it's still not good enough. I feel we need more than that, even though I have a strong feeling we won't receive it.
lol for someone who is so proud on himself you sound quite worried about the pressence and actions of said guild, but you get me wrong I left ESO 4 months ago and GoS died way before that, but all the people who could have contineud the legacy fled the ship like rats,. making invictus and Darkest Requim,. not one seizable ammount of players who helped zaz make zaz great are arround anymore therefore you connecting zazeers actions to his legacy is just fallacy on its own,.
and still the reason of me posting here was to show support, to cast off the traitors and a middlefinger to ZOS for allowing this in the first place.. so please no mather how proud you are on yourself,. dont expect me to respond to you or your content of your opinion directly anymore.
TL;DR. Stay on topic, or just message me if you wanna try your luck.3 -
ИВАН_ВОДКА✭✭✭people basically have to move and get completely new PC to play I would love ZOs forever
@Jaronking i see you know nothing about hwid
reinstall windows, and order dynamic ip - this is what people have to do, basicallyEdited by ИВАН_ВОДКА on June 4, 2016 3:16PM0 -
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Well I was reading the overwatch forums and people who was banned stated they did that and when they bought a new account a few days later that account was also banned even with them not cheating on their second account.I will admit I don't know a lot about it but I do have a friend oh is a computer engineer wonder if he know anything about it.ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »people basically have to move and get completely new PC to play I would love ZOs forever
@Jaronking i see you know nothing about hwid
reinstall windows, and order dynamic ip - this is what people have to do, basically2 -
ИВАН_ВОДКА✭✭✭
Well I was reading the overwatch forums and people who was banned stated they did that and when they bought a new account a few days later that account was also banned even with them not cheating on their second account.I will admit I don't know a lot about it but I do have a friend oh is a computer engineer wonder if he know anything about it.ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »people basically have to move and get completely new PC to play I would love ZOs forever
@Jaronking i see you know nothing about hwid
reinstall windows, and order dynamic ip - this is what people have to do, basically
well, those ppl forgot to change uniqueid of their HDDs and MAC of ethernet card0 -
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✭✭Roehamad_Ali wrote: »ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »if no Zazeer, this topic has never been started
This topic started a long time ago . @Crown Did the right thing contacting the company way back when , even though it didn't yield any results , it was the right approach .
We STILL haven't yielded any real results from Zazeer's approach either , only his approach was a disaster to many .
Well, if Zazeer truly did what he did with a benevolent purpose, kudos to the Snowden of gaming. Whatever you may think is going on at ZoS, once exposed, they MUST fix the problem or be exposed to an amount of liability that could be their total ruin. It sucks selling to the average customer buying personal goods or services.
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✭✭✭✭✭If people have to gut their PC to get back into a game they got banned from ... GOOD .
At least it's some form of punishment . Also it makes them look like Dorks ...1 -
ИВАН_ВОДКА✭✭✭@Roehamad_Ali
if advanced knowledge of computer itself made people dorks on your opinion, ROFLMAO, you ane nor less than a ***Edited by ИВАН_ВОДКА on June 4, 2016 3:57PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »@Roehamad_Ali
if advanced knowledge of computer itself made people dorks on your opinion, ROFLMAO, you ane nor lses than a ***
No Einstein . The need to cheat that bad makes them look like Dorks . Also your spelling cancels out any jokes about white people .1 -
yumyum✭Maybe they should just pay for Punkbuster.
Be nice but ZOS could go with both PunkBuster and VAC other games are doing that.Roehamad_Ali wrote: »If people have to gut their PC to get back into a game they got banned from ... GOOD .
At least it's some form of punishment . Also it makes them look like Dorks ...
HWID banning does not work, it is all to easy to spoof hardware ID's
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✭✭✭✭✭Maybe they should just pay for Punkbuster.
Be nice but ZOS could go with both PunkBuster and VAC other games are doing that.Roehamad_Ali wrote: »If people have to gut their PC to get back into a game they got banned from ... GOOD .
At least it's some form of punishment . Also it makes them look like Dorks ...
HWID banning does not work, it is all to easy to spoof hardware ID's
You're the guy that went to Open University right ?1 -
ИВАН_ВОДКА✭✭✭Roehamad_Ali wrote: »Maybe they should just pay for Punkbuster.
Be nice but ZOS could go with both PunkBuster and VAC other games are doing that.Roehamad_Ali wrote: »If people have to gut their PC to get back into a game they got banned from ... GOOD .
At least it's some form of punishment . Also it makes them look like Dorks ...
HWID banning does not work, it is all to easy to spoof hardware ID's
You're the guy that went to Open University right ?
whatever? even if Community College0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »Roehamad_Ali wrote: »Maybe they should just pay for Punkbuster.
Be nice but ZOS could go with both PunkBuster and VAC other games are doing that.Roehamad_Ali wrote: »If people have to gut their PC to get back into a game they got banned from ... GOOD .
At least it's some form of punishment . Also it makes them look like Dorks ...
HWID banning does not work, it is all to easy to spoof hardware ID's
You're the guy that went to Open University right ?
whatever? even if Community College
Not sure where your going here ... Trying to ask a question from someone in the know .
I was gonna ask him , not you , What he thinks is the best counter measure here . Let's stick to the topic instead of the people .
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