KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Bloodspawn only has like 1,5 mil hp... XD Its ok to compare dps with different sets and stuff like this, but if you needed proc rates or rotation practice, its not enough.

Use dummy weapons / go naked if you want to test rotations and not actual dps. ;3

All that ignored feedback on the pts forums and they waste their time with that...

Wow... How am I just now hearing about this test dummy thing? I always went to dungeons or just ran around killing bosses to test my rotation and dps.

Theres no point in arguing with those that are against it.

If you are against it, you didnt use it. And would have no use for it. Plain and Simple.

Those of us that actually cherished it and utilized it, I GUARANTEE are much better players BECAUSE of it. And I know for me, and anyone else I've theorycrafted with or had someone want help with their build, I'd direct them to Ninglenel. Why? Because that bosmer cared. That bosmer wanted you to be better. He took beatings for all of those that tried, in order to help better us.

He is the bravest NPC I know, and all of you against him should be ashamed. Eat Eat the dog now has no home and has to roam Rivenspire alone. You can sometimes find him in out in the overworld, roaming all sad and lonely now because of this change! How could some of you be FOR this?!! You are animals I tell you!!

#SaveNinglenel

Also, just wanted to add.. For those that think getting a friend to help is easy: I am in 2 ACTIVE PvE guilds that always have lots of members on, I have many friends that help me as well. But guess what? They dont play 24/7 just to be my dungeon slave. They have other things they are doing when they are on. There can be over 80 people on, and I get no response asking for help with a dps test on bloodspawn. So tell me: How on earth can I FORCE someone to come satisfy MY playing needs?

Also: The guard theory is all well and good, but they one-shot you eventually. Even a tank with capped resistances, most possible mitigation. They still slap you with a 50k focused strike to the heart. I HAVE noticed at some places you can place them where they wont hit you, but you can still hit them, which is indeed a possibility that doesnt require a tank, but from my testing 1) Half of the abilities wont hit the target because of the angle/elevation needed to keep them in combat yet not on the same y-axis to hit you, and 2) its such a high risk/ no reward and poor testing. Not even worth mentioning really.

Please ZoS, just #SaveNinglenel

Those defending the NPC removal or offering ill-conceived substitutes don't understand the use of practice dummies in MMO's. DPS meters we already have. Every other major MMO has them, and they provides useful tool for serious sports-gamers. With ESO's admittedly excellent policy toward AddOn's, the removal of the sole practice dummy in game is defies reason. Even if the NPC's presence was unintentional, deliberate removal is a capricious and poor business practice.

The major business journals have cranked out numerous articles the past couple years detailing how MMO companies have been pushing focus toward increased PvP and eSport activity, citing increased profits and consumer interest. Giant sports events like the arena LoL and DotA competions, have seen company bottom-lines rise like never before. Even without eSporting per se, eSport enthusiasts are wisely supported by those providers who expect to survive the next 5+years.

I hope ZOS is evaluating the situation and has plans to revist or provide superior alternatives for their eSporting members. I would hasten to add that it's likely that the majority of serious end-gamers are also a healthy chunk of the monthly subscribers.

So a new DLC hits, access to new amor, skills changed a chance to retest at Ninglenel.
But Ninglenel is gone.
Why ZOS?

Lets say there are plans for dps test dummys next DLC and they going to sell them for crowns. Well please consider
I would like the option of testing with full buffs like spell power cure, ele drain, combat prayer and war horn and
some times I want to test with out. I hope you think about that before you start selling them on the crown store.
I will buy if I have access to those options as long as its priced in well.

But for now what are we meant to do? Ask 2 others to go clear mobs to test in bloodspawn? That will get old real quick.
Plus its only 1.5 mill health so thats 1 minute max for any max level player. Players want a choice how long they test for and
Ninglenel was great for that. Most are testing to get there sustained dps up to over 30k for over 5min for Vet MAW bosses so help us enjoy the content more bring back Ninglenel!

Keep your players happy and let us have Ninglenel back at least till you bring in dps test dummys.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Would you consider this fair? Or would you be able to introduce a dps dummy come the patch next week?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

What are you doing about this for the community?

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Foolish and wasteful removal of something that benefited the community as a whole and it was done for what reason exactly?

MONEY!!!! How many times do people gotta say it? The crown shop is what makes money! There will be dummies in the crown store.



Just like now.

Indeed, extremely bizarre that a week + has passed now since this has gone viral and still not a mere acknowledgment

Let's try to make this discussion productive. Is anyone aware of a decent alternative for practicing/testing rotations and builds? So far, all I'm seeing is guards, Bloodspawn, and WBs, none of which are great alternatives. Anyone have a better idea? There has to be a mob somewhere that is tanky as hell but hits like a wet noodle. Something in Craglorn, maybe? I dunno...

I just found out about Ninglenel about a month ago and he was super super useful. Please bring him back, ZOS.

Even if this is part of a larger plan to introduce player housing and DPS dummies, it should not be removed when no alternative currently exists. If they do not wish to address the concerns of the community, the very least they could do would be to provide us with some reasoning behind this move.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It's a bug. Bug got fixed. The fact that you used the bug for certain things doesn't make it any less sane to fix the bug.

They didn't fix a bug. They removed an NPC. People were using it to get information to better themselves. It was harming noone.

If ZOS didn't want players to get that information they would lock down the APIs used for damage meters. As it stands, people will find an alternative, but they'll have to jump through hoops to find one, or go back to nagging friends to tank a group dungeon boss for them again.

So ZOS have just inconvenienced some people to benefit nobody at all. If you ask me, that shows they have seriously misplaced priorities.

It was a bugged NPC. Just because it happened to be a useful bug to some doesn't make it any less of a bug. You'll just have to wait for the moment you can buy dummies from the Crown Store or something.

Not every bug is a bad one.

The -only- alternative that we've found so far was to take our DPS, a tank, and heals into normal Maw and allow the DPS to beat on the first boss to get their parses. Far from ideal, takes some coordination, but it worked well for us. Plus there's that sweet sweet bonus of getting 5g from killing all of the mobs before the first boss!

Seriously? Not one single comment about this? Oh but wait if they hear that somebody can't complete white gold tower they'll go "fix" it so that they can. This is dumb man all these sets out now and we have to just wing it in dungeons and be like ah ok I guess this is right. I agree with one poster tho I don't think they want us to find out all the bugs in this game yeah they have a pts but as you can see they don't really care about what we say about things. This npc was harmless 100%. Plp who are against it or didn't know about it more than likely didn't really care much about tear dps or didn't join a hard core raiding guild cause more than likely they showed you the dummy to tighten up your rotation