Ninglenel (DPS Dummy) Actually Removed

GnGEmpire

It's confirmed, ZOS have spent an entire minute of development time to remove our most useful tool in the game for testing ability rotations and dps, and all that without even giving us an alternative first.



Here's a link to Deltias original thread about this on the PTS forum which ZOS have been ignoring for the past week as well.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/267575/save-ninglenel-dps-test/p1

Jhunn

Let's not make this a bigger deal than it really is.

Pomaikai

It's a pretty big deal, and was pretty damned childish on ZOS's part the way they did it.

daemonios

Pomaikai wrote: »

It's a pretty big deal, and was pretty damned childish on ZOS's part the way they did it.

This.

That NPC was harmless to all and useful to many. Why bother taking it out? After the pitiful response of ZOS first with the writ exploit, then with the CE hack (just to quote 2 recent examples), the community aren't really in a mood to be trolled...

waterfairy

I've never even heard of him before today...I probably did some side quest involving him then forgot him like most of the characters I encounter.

Grao

This is actually a pretty big deal as test dummies have been requested to ZoS since before the release of the game. Now they accidentally made one and then it is removed without any comment from the developers?

Nifty2g

Jhunn wrote: »

Let's not make this a bigger deal than it really is.

it IS a big deal. Dont try to hide it and make it seem like it isn't. We need DPS tests, this was perfectly fine how it was such an unnecessary change

demonaffinity

I think its hilarious. They remove something that we so desperately need on ESO, and for what reason? Their logic amuses me sometimes. But hey, it's their business. They are the ones pissing off costumers

waterfairy

Nifty2g wrote: »

We need DPS tests

Fight a solitary world boss?

Pomaikai

demonaffinity wrote: »

I think its hilarious. They remove something that we so desperately need on ESO, and for what reason? Their logic amuses me sometimes. But hey, it's their business. They are the ones pissing off costumers

I don't think this means what you think it means...

daemonios

Vigarr wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

We need DPS tests

Fight a solitary world boss?

Not good enough, they go down too quickly. This NPC took no damage and allowed you to see how much DPS you can sustain over longer periods. In addition, because it didn't fight back, you didn't need to take a tank/healer buddy with you.

Grao

Vigarr wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

We need DPS tests

Fight a solitary world boss?

the whole point of a DPS dummy is to test your best possible DPS and practice rotations, something you can't do properly when facing one of those solitary bosses, at least not on your own...

There is no defense possible for Zenimax's choice of not providing us with test dummies and then fixing this insignificant bug, pissing off the community.

Mr.Hmm

well maybe they are planning to add DPS test training dummies in the next patch?

Aisle9

I was asking around about training dummies and I find out about this when people are discussing it's removal ?!

aww, man...

*edit*
Solitary world bosses die too fast, you can't test sustained.

Grao

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

well maybe they are planning to add DPS test training dummies in the next patch?

A DPS Dummy is a NPC stripped of the coding for damage taking, movement and offensive capabilities... It is extremly easy to make and they already even have the models for it in the game... If they were ever going to release it, they'd have released it already. They just don't want people to easily be able to test their abilities and rotations because doing so would allow players to more easily figure out how bugged some abilities are.

Wollust

This is complete bull.
And then we have broken stuff that actually needs fixing for a year or longer.

AWESOME

waterfairy

Grao wrote: »

. They just don't want people to easily be able to test their abilities and rotations because doing so would allow players to more easily figure out how bugged some abilities are.

You might be on to something here...for them to suddenly remove this for DB must mean that something is broken with DB skills.

Shazgob

Well, I figured this would happen. Thank you Zenimax for making trials experiences harder because of glaring bugs (chains come to mind) and instead spending time removing one of, if not the best, utilities in the game that end game trials runners had. Best part? Not a single word from them, and I doubt they will respond to it or even care. They clearly don't play their own game, I mean that is obvious from watching them on ESO Lives. Nothing beat in IC when Wrobel decided tanking was NOTHING more than 'Oh let me equip a taunt.' Another blow to the community, but as long as we throw money at them, I'm sure they don't a damn at all.

joshisanonymous

Perhaps they *fixed it* (obviously this wasn't an intended use) because they don't actually want players to be able to easily run tests? Their design philosophy has always seemed to be against the sort of thing that turns MMOs into graphical statistics simulations, complete with elitism against anyone who isn't up to date on the latest player testing that shows the X + Y while wearing Z is clearly the optimal rotation.

WildWilbur

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

well maybe they are planning to add DPS test training dummies in the next patch Crown Shop soon?

Fixed it for you

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

i use the ice world boss in the rift for a dps test and world bosses in craglorn for rotation tests

Shazgob

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Perhaps they *fixed it* (obviously this wasn't an intended use) because they don't actually want players to be able to easily run tests? Their design philosophy has always seemed to be against the sort of thing that turns MMOs into graphical statistics simulations, complete with elitism against anyone who isn't up to date on the latest player testing that shows the X + Y while wearing Z is clearly the optimal rotation.

IF this were the case, why introduce content (Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj) which literally requires you to be pulling X DPS in Y Time, all while only having a few gear combinations in game that achieve said result. IF they didn't want this game to be what you describe, then why require players to be pulling 30k+ DPS sustained on 6-7 minute encounters? It seems to me that they do want a place for elitists, and then they removed the ONE tool that would allow players to test long term and find setups that compete competitively. Unless I'm missing something?

Caligamy_ESO

I used city guards as test dummies. Their 1-hit KO ability is pretty easily bypassed if you just experiment with them a little bit, and no it doesn't rack up a massive bounty (unless about 500 gold is massive to you)

ShedsHisTail

This is deplorable.
It's almost like ZOS is trying to discourage min/maxing.

Who would do that?!

flguy147ub17_ESO

I personally dont care about this but i still find it atrocious to remove this for the people who wanted. Pisses me off that they continue to ignore the community on things they would like and suggestions. There was no reason to remove this for players who really wanted it. I feel your pain cause they ignore other issues that mean a lot to me.

laksikus

attackable test dummies soon as assistants in crown store

LadyNalcarya

RIP Ninglenel.
I hope they will add something to replace that poor guy.

cwstonoffb14a_ESO wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Perhaps they *fixed it* (obviously this wasn't an intended use) because they don't actually want players to be able to easily run tests? Their design philosophy has always seemed to be against the sort of thing that turns MMOs into graphical statistics simulations, complete with elitism against anyone who isn't up to date on the latest player testing that shows the X + Y while wearing Z is clearly the optimal rotation.

IF this were the case, why introduce content (Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj) which literally requires you to be pulling X DPS in Y Time, all while only having a few gear combinations in game that achieve said result. IF they didn't want this game to be what you describe, then why require players to be pulling 30k+ DPS sustained on 6-7 minute encounters? It seems to me that they do want a place for elitists, and then they removed the ONE tool that would allow players to test long term and find setups that compete competitively. Unless I'm missing something?

I agree with your point, but just to clarify, "elitism" has nothing to do with player's skill or goals in game. Those are you talking about are just competitive players, and they may or may not be elitist.

dimensional

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Let's not make this a bigger deal than it really is.

it IS a big deal. Dont try to hide it and make it seem like it isn't. We need DPS tests, this was perfectly fine how it was such an unnecessary change

It definitely IS NOT a big deal.

Vythri

laksikus wrote: »

attackable test dummies soon as assistants in crown store

4000 crown points.

LadyNalcarya

dimensional wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Let's not make this a bigger deal than it really is.

it IS a big deal. Dont try to hide it and make it seem like it isn't. We need DPS tests, this was perfectly fine how it was such an unnecessary change

It definitely IS NOT a big deal.

It was a good way to practice rotations and stuff without pocket tank and healer...

daemonios

dimensional wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Let's not make this a bigger deal than it really is.

it IS a big deal. Dont try to hide it and make it seem like it isn't. We need DPS tests, this was perfectly fine how it was such an unnecessary change

It definitely IS NOT a big deal.

It definitely IS because not only was that NPC completely harmless to 100% of the players and useful to people who wanted to test their rotation, but ZOS is basically saying "we don't have the resources to fix cheats, hacks and broken skills, but we'll use everything we have to remove said harmless NPC".