Ninglenel (DPS Dummy) Actually Removed

kadar · May 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

and as for testing a rotation are u kidding me u dont know the basic rotations enough that u have to test on a dummy .... what exactly did u learn when u leved besides a good grinding spot

This is from a player who spent most of his time smacking around this NPC and learning his rotation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V30st2C8Ulw
I do not see any other player getting as high as this or doing a rotation like this.

I want to see the numbers from this same situation post- DB... them deeps.

Ajax_22 · May 2016

Haha, did you actually expect ZOS actually listen to players and act on our feedback? One of the main reasons this was probably removed is because ZOS has all but confirmed test dummies will be available with player housing. I wonder how many crowns it will cost.

Nifty2g · May 2016

The_Outsider wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

and as for testing a rotation are u kidding me u dont know the basic rotations enough that u have to test on a dummy .... what exactly did u learn when u leved besides a good grinding spot

This is from a player who spent most of his time smacking around this NPC and learning his rotation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V30st2C8Ulw
I do not see any other player getting as high as this or doing a rotation like this.

I want to see the numbers from this same situation post- DB... them deeps.

Huh? This was before DBH

Grao · May 2016

Ajax_22 wrote: »

Haha, did you actually expect ZOS actually listen to players and act on our feedback? One of the main reasons this was probably removed is because ZOS has all but confirmed test dummies will be available with player housing. I wonder how many crowns it will cost.

Meaning they should have removed the damn mob when player housing was released in 6 months or so... Not now.

Wollust · May 2016

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

and as for testing a rotation are u kidding me u dont know the basic rotations enough that u have to test on a dummy .... what exactly did u learn when u leved besides a good grinding spot

I bet you are a heavy armor stamina pet sorc.

kadar · May 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

and as for testing a rotation are u kidding me u dont know the basic rotations enough that u have to test on a dummy .... what exactly did u learn when u leved besides a good grinding spot

This is from a player who spent most of his time smacking around this NPC and learning his rotation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V30st2C8Ulw
I do not see any other player getting as high as this or doing a rotation like this.

I want to see the numbers from this same situation post- DB... them deeps.

Huh? This was before DBH

Yeah, I know. I want to see his numbers after Dark Brotherhood!

MornaBaine · May 2016

demonaffinity wrote: »

I think its hilarious. They remove something that we so desperately need on ESO, and for what reason? Their logic amuses me sometimes. But hey, it's their business. They are the ones pissing off costumers

And there's nothing worse than an angry costumer! All those terrible seams and uneven hems!

ShedsHisTail · May 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

demonaffinity wrote: »

I think its hilarious. They remove something that we so desperately need on ESO, and for what reason? Their logic amuses me sometimes. But hey, it's their business. They are the ones pissing off costumers

And there's nothing worse than an angry costumer! All those terrible seams and uneven hems!

You reap what you sew.

Bofrari · May 2016

It's carebear central at zos they literally have some of the worst people possibly making decisions.

ShedsHisTail · May 2016

*Dons tin foil hat*

Perhaps they pulled him out to hide the notable DPS decrease caused by the patch?

Smolt · May 2016

These developers don't actually play or care about this game.

Grao · May 2016

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

*Dons tin foil hat*

Perhaps they pulled him out to hide the notable DPS decrease caused by the patch?

And the number of bugs that persist or were introduced by this patch.

WatchYourSixx · May 2016

#SaveNinglenel

Lava_Croft · May 2016

It's a bug. Bug got fixed. The fact that you used the bug for certain things doesn't make it any less sane to fix the bug.

bugmom · May 2016

Just wanted to add another perspective - I'm still fairly new to gaming and not a top player and this test dummy would have been very useful to me in learning how to use various skills. Please ZOS, bring it back!

daemonios · May 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It's a bug. Bug got fixed. The fact that you used the bug for certain things doesn't make it any less sane to fix the bug.

They didn't fix a bug. They removed an NPC. People were using it to get information to better themselves. It was harming noone.

If ZOS didn't want players to get that information they would lock down the APIs used for damage meters. As it stands, people will find an alternative, but they'll have to jump through hoops to find one, or go back to nagging friends to tank a group dungeon boss for them again.

So ZOS have just inconvenienced some people to benefit nobody at all. If you ask me, that shows they have seriously misplaced priorities.

sirrmattus · May 2016

altho it looks like a flawed test dummy, he goest down to no health so fast,

Lava_Croft · May 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It's a bug. Bug got fixed. The fact that you used the bug for certain things doesn't make it any less sane to fix the bug.

They didn't fix a bug. They removed an NPC. People were using it to get information to better themselves. It was harming noone.

If ZOS didn't want players to get that information they would lock down the APIs used for damage meters. As it stands, people will find an alternative, but they'll have to jump through hoops to find one, or go back to nagging friends to tank a group dungeon boss for them again.

So ZOS have just inconvenienced some people to benefit nobody at all. If you ask me, that shows they have seriously misplaced priorities.

It was a bugged NPC. Just because it happened to be a useful bug to some doesn't make it any less of a bug. You'll just have to wait for the moment you can buy dummies from the Crown Store or something.

daemonios · May 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

altho it looks like a flawed test dummy, he goest down to no health so fast,

Yeah not perfect but still the best we have barring bosses for which you need to grab someone else to tank them or you won't be able to practice your actual rotation.

Lenikus · May 2016

Doesn't Normal Darkshade has some early boss that constantly heals herself ?
I used to test damage on her since if you're pullin' any less than 20k the beyatch will just outheal incoming damage

Krombie · May 2016

Ok so by removing the dummy, the people that test builds and do more intricate calculations will not be able to test their DPS in a constant basis ?

LadyNalcarya · May 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Doesn't Normal Darkshade has some early boss that constantly heals herself ?
I used to test damage on her since if you're pullin' any less than 20k the beyatch will just outheal incoming damage

All those dungeon bosses simply dont have enough hp to survive for a minute or more and require help from other people to tank them.
And benchmark dps these days is far higher than 20k.

daemonios · May 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It was a bugged NPC. Just because it happened to be a useful bug to some doesn't make it any less of a bug.

If they had any clue at all, they would leave it as it is. Like I said several times, it was a useful "bug" at best, and a non-issue at worst. ZOS have failed on numerous counts recently, this is the last thing where they should be eager to show their bug fixing prowess. And again, like I said earlier, I'm looking at this from a PR standpoint. My overload keeps bugging out and stops working or turns into heavy attacks randomly, with this patch my ultimates cost 30% more than they should, but looky here - they fixed the bugged NPC! Laughable.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

You'll just have to wait for the moment you can buy dummies from the Crown Store or something.

Are you deliberately trying to troll, or do you do it inadvertently?

Xjcon · May 2016

Set him right next to the Group damage addon. RIP.

daemonios · May 2016

Xjcon wrote: »

Set him right next to the Group damage addon. RIP.

Totally different issues. They actually disabled the API calls used for group damage as a matter of policy - they decided nobody should have access to someone else's numbers without their consent. You can agree or disagree. In the case of this NPC, they didn't disable DPS meters. They just removed one NPC that happened to be a convenient way of testing DPS and skill rotation.

Lenikus · May 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

Doesn't Normal Darkshade has some early boss that constantly heals herself ?
I used to test damage on her since if you're pullin' any less than 20k the beyatch will just outheal incoming damage

All those dungeon bosses simply dont have enough hp to survive for a minute or more and require help from other people to tank them.
And benchmark dps these days is far higher than 20k.

If you can pull well over 20k DPS, you likely have a templar friend to take you to test your dps with the bloodspawn thing all day long. If you have any less than that ( and therefore actually need a dummy ) , my sugestion works okay.

LadyNalcarya · May 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

Doesn't Normal Darkshade has some early boss that constantly heals herself ?
I used to test damage on her since if you're pullin' any less than 20k the beyatch will just outheal incoming damage

All those dungeon bosses simply dont have enough hp to survive for a minute or more and require help from other people to tank them.
And benchmark dps these days is far higher than 20k.

If you can pull well over 20k DPS, you likely have a templar friend to take you to test your dps with the bloodspawn thing all day long. If you have any less than that ( and therefore actually need a dummy ) , my sugestion works okay.

Bloodspawn only has like 1,5 mil hp... XD Its ok to compare dps with different sets and stuff like this, but if you needed proc rates or rotation practice, its not enough.

lookstwice · May 2016

i guess it's better to nerf encounters instead of giving a place where players can practice? Honestly I would love a test dummy just to test long rotations. Questing is so easy that I end up not being able to feel out long fights.

Volla · May 2016

thumb up for testing dummy - Give it back

Xjcon · May 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Set him right next to the Group damage addon. RIP.

Totally different issues. They actually disabled the API calls used for group damage as a matter of policy - they decided nobody should have access to someone else's numbers without their consent. You can agree or disagree. In the case of this NPC, they didn't disable DPS meters. They just removed one NPC that happened to be a convenient way of testing DPS and skill rotation.

I didn't compare them. But OK. Thanks for that......