ZOS, we're not 5 years old. This game is PEGI18

Dahkoht · May 2016

Genomic wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's because the western world is pretty sensitive & easily offended, so we can't even have bad language and such in mature games these days. Look what happened to one of Tracer's poses in Overwatch, for example. It was "too sexualized...."

I agree. It's so strange to me how weirdly puritanical millennials are. And disturbing how they seem to be on a crusade against 'offensiveness' and are pushing, and often succeeding, in turning the world beige.

Lynx7386 · May 2016

Genomic wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's because the western world is pretty sensitive & easily offended, so we can't even have bad language and such in mature games these days. Look what happened to one of Tracer's poses in Overwatch, for example. It was "too sexualized...."

I agree. It's so strange to me how weirdly puritanical millennials are. And disturbing how they seem to be on a crusade against 'offensiveness' and are pushing, and often succeeding, in turning the world beige.

All the more reason we need a zombie apocalypse to get rid of these mewling milksops before they turn our entire society into diaper-wearing, politically correct weaklings.

Dahkoht · May 2016

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's because the western world is pretty sensitive & easily offended, so we can't even have bad language and such in mature games these days. Look what happened to one of Tracer's poses in Overwatch, for example. It was "too sexualized...."

I agree. It's so strange to me how weirdly puritanical millennials are. And disturbing how they seem to be on a crusade against 'offensiveness' and are pushing, and often succeeding, in turning the world beige.

All the more reason we need a zombie apocalypse to get rid of these mewling milksops before they turn our entire society into diaper-wearing, politically correct weaklings.

Gidorick · May 2016

dpencil wrote: »

I try to avoid vulgar language as much as reasonable, though I'll bear it if material is otherwise very appealing. My 4 year old son likes to watch me play too, so I'm happy the game's language is not vulgar. I do have to put on my headphones when in Team Speak, though!

I'm sorry @dpencil but I reject the idea that ESO should remain tame so children can watch/play. That's on you man. The rest of us shouldn't have the game watered down because parents ignore the rating... which is pretty much what has happened.

knight776 · May 2016

As I recall, one of the worst things a Nord can call you is "milk drinker"....and there's all that business regarding various articles of underclothing worn by the Aedra Mara....So...

MuddledMuppet · May 2016

Moonscythe wrote: »

In a totally fictional fantasy world why would they use modern American vulgarity? It would just drop me right out of the moment if someone started berating me in such language. True, son of a dog, is somewhat unimaginative but so is modern American street talk.

Actually most of what today is is considered course goes back to post 1066 and the Norman dominance over the anglo-saxons. So' I can safely type in here words like; excrement' faeces, but not the anglo-saxon equivalent beginning with sh. Those words were used by the professional classes and the ruling Normans so werent considered vulgar. There are countless examples.

I mention this as swear words are certainly not a modern american invention

Dahkoht · May 2016

Killing and violence , ok ,

Bad words and boobies ?

Life threatening danger the kids must be protected from.

Sidestory , son is 7 , daughter 5 (pics in real life looks thread if want to see the buggers ) , anyway their favorite movie is World War Z , they love to play zombies and so on. Daughter last year is at some event with wife , and playing with other kids her age.

Says lets play zombies , uptight other mom freaks out , tells my wife

"We don't play that sort of thing around our house."

Daughter pipes up to her kid

"I'm sorry you have a weird mommy"

Wife was still laughing when got home.

(and by god my kids will know how to handle the axe and bat when the Zombie Apocalypse hits , the other kids can be the fodder I say)

Burning_Talons · May 2016

dpencil wrote: »

I do have to put on my headphones when in Team Speak, though!

To talk

Saoirse_Siobhan · May 2016

I just find the overall script pretty terrible. There are a few well written lines. But even the voice acting seems so monotone. Except for the leaders of each alliance, Bill Nighy is awesome!

MuddledMuppet · May 2016

TheWhiteDarkness wrote: »

I just find the overall script pretty terrible. There are a few well written lines. But even the voice acting seems so monotone. Except for the leaders of each alliance, Bill Nighy is awesome!

Some of the voice acting is terrible lol, I'm always being put in mind of a parent gruffly voicing Daddy Bear yelling 'who's been eating my porridge' when I hear some of the 'bad guys'.

holosoul · May 2016

Naryu is very well acted I'd say

PokaPoka94 · May 2016

Yo out of ya damn mind!

sagitter · May 2016

Woeler wrote: »

I was stealing stuff and an NPC called me a "son of a dog". I mean, really? How old are we? Five? What's with this fear to use some vulgar language that fits the scene?

If I caught someone stealing my stuff, the last thing I would call them is a "son of a dog"...

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Actually my Khajiit found it pretty offensive. I'll call the WWF!

Tandor · May 2016

A game doesn't have to have vulgar language in it in order to be adult. I'm happy with it the way it is.

Woeler · May 2016

holosoul wrote: »

The witcher 3 video only displayed some petty vulgar lowbrow insults, neither creative nor funny. I don't think I would relate being adult with speaking like a teen who has something to prove. I'm not saying that ESO insults are witty or clever in the general case, but that video is a pathetic example if it were meant to be one.

Let's examine a bit of Shakespeare shall we? Don't worry, you'll be quite amused.

"Drunkenness is his best virtue, for he will be swine drunk, and in his sleep he does little harm, save to his bedclothes about him." -- All's Well That Ends Well.

"I do wish thou were a dog, that I might love thee something." --Timon of Athens

"I'll beat thee, but I should infect my hands." --Timon of Athens.

"I must tell you friendly in your ear, sell when you can, you are not for all markets." --As You Like It.

"Thou art a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy worsted-stocking knave; a lily-liver'd, action-taking, whoreson, glass-gazing, superserviceable, finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mungril ***." --King Lear.

"Tempt not too much the hatred of my spirit, for I am sick when I do look on thee." --A Midsummer Night's Dream.

"I desire that we be better strangers." --As You Like It.

"Villain, I have done thy mother" --Titus Andronicus

"Would thou were clean enough to spit on" --Timon of Athens

I'd rather hear npc's talk like a teen than a pseudo-intellectual.

Gidorick · May 2016

Tandor wrote: »

A game doesn't have to have vulgar language in it in order to be adult. I'm happy with it the way it is.

While I completely agree with this Tandor, I think censoring that just replaces the curse word with another word (darn, dang, shucks, shoot, etc...) can come across as childish. I could see how "Son of a dog" could come across as such because it's appropriating a phrase from our culture and changing it to be less foul while trying to retain the original context from our culture.

I don't think anyone wants there to be blatant vulgarities shouted across Tamriel, just that there be less blatantly obvious censorships that seem more at place in a Pixar film than an M rated videogame.

Gidorick · May 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's because the western world is pretty sensitive & easily offended, so we can't even have bad language and such in mature games these days. Look what happened to one of Tracer's poses in Overwatch, for example. It was "too sexualized...."

You don't have to look outside of ESO to see those kinds of changes @Molag_Crow ...

Of course, ZOS claims that these changes were made because the original designs weren't meant to ever be in ESO.

Moonscythe · May 2016

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Moonscythe wrote: »

In a totally fictional fantasy world why would they use modern American vulgarity? It would just drop me right out of the moment if someone started berating me in such language. True, son of a dog, is somewhat unimaginative but so is modern American street talk.

Actually most of what today is is considered course goes back to post 1066 and the Norman dominance over the anglo-saxons. So' I can safely type in here words like; excrement' faeces, but not the anglo-saxon equivalent beginning with sh. Those words were used by the professional classes and the ruling Normans so werent considered vulgar. There are countless examples.

I mention this as swear words are certainly not a modern american invention

That's as may be but the usage today is distinctly American vulgarity. As you say it was just common vernacular in the Anglo Saxon world. My point remains though. Nern is not Earth and everyday vernacular, be it slang or vulgarity, in any language has the immediate effect of sounding like the local playground (because kids start talking that way really young). I don't use such language and so am sensitive to the sounds but it is still inappropriate as a fantasy swear word. N'wah and Fetcher even milk-drinker do very well to convey the sense that you have been insulted and perhaps ought to punch somebody in the face.

I agree that son of a dog was just bad. I think flea-ridden offspring of a mangy skeever would have been better but I always prefer an inventive insult to a common expletive especially since the ones in common usage have lost all real meaning. Really, when someone kicks a chair and stubs a toe they let out with a string of expletives but how is a chair going to have illicit carnal knowledge of its mother much less have excretions of organic waste matter? ? Let's just make up words that the imagination of the listener can embellish.

As for the person who thinks the lack of vulgarity makes PvE boring, that just makes no sense at all.

Moonscythe · May 2016

Woeler wrote: »

holosoul wrote: »

The witcher 3 video only displayed some petty vulgar lowbrow insults, neither creative nor funny. I don't think I would relate being adult with speaking like a teen who has something to prove. I'm not saying that ESO insults are witty or clever in the general case, but that video is a pathetic example if it were meant to be one.

Let's examine a bit of Shakespeare shall we? Don't worry, you'll be quite amused.

"Drunkenness is his best virtue, for he will be swine drunk, and in his sleep he does little harm, save to his bedclothes about him." -- All's Well That Ends Well.

"I do wish thou were a dog, that I might love thee something." --Timon of Athens

"I'll beat thee, but I should infect my hands." --Timon of Athens.

"I must tell you friendly in your ear, sell when you can, you are not for all markets." --As You Like It.

"Thou art a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy worsted-stocking knave; a lily-liver'd, action-taking, whoreson, glass-gazing, superserviceable, finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mungril ***." --King Lear.

"Tempt not too much the hatred of my spirit, for I am sick when I do look on thee." --A Midsummer Night's Dream.

"I desire that we be better strangers." --As You Like It.

"Villain, I have done thy mother" --Titus Andronicus

"Would thou were clean enough to spit on" --Timon of Athens

I'd rather hear npc's talk like a teen than a pseudo-intellectual.

Nothing pseudo about it. I prefer these to anything the average teen thinks is insulting.

arena25 · May 2016

Shello. Sedelin, Schribe to Lord Arena25 here, to schare *hic* her thoughts yon this.

Sedelin believs that if the best traunt to some out of an NPC's *hic* south is "son of a dog", then yu are the luckiest man/woman a...*hic*...live.

It is my per...*hic*...sonal believ that yu will hear high shool sudents say tings 1000 tines worse.

Uh, oh, Lord Arena25 burs. I *hic* shneed to go.

Signed,

Sedelin
Schribe to Lord Arena25

arena25 · May 2016

arena25 wrote: »

Shello. Sedelin, Schribe to Lord Arena25 here, to schare *hic* her thoughts yon this.

Sedelin believs that if the best traunt to some out of an NPC's *hic* south is "son of a dog", then yu are the luckiest man/woman a...*hic*...live.

It is my per...*hic*...sonal believ that yu will hear high shool sudents say tings 1000 tines worse.

Uh, oh, Lord Arena25 burs. I *hic* shneed to go.

Signed,

Sedelin
Schribe to Lord Arena25

Ugh...I see my incompetent scribe has had one drink too many...allow me, Lord Arena25, to clarify her post.

My assistant believes that if "son of a dog" is the worst taunt that comes out of an NPC's mouth, you are the luckiest man/woman alive.

My assistant also believes that highs school students say taunts and other things that are 1000 times worse.

Now that the record is corrected, let me share my personal views:

I do agree with my assistant that the taunts must be spiced up. I do completely understand that ESO was attempting to go for a T for Teen rating, but it's an M for Mature (and most likely for good) so I think it's time ESO uses that M for Mature rating to their advantage.

Just as a reference, in my 4 years in high school, I have listened to more f-bombs, s-bombs, and other cuss language than I probably will ever hear in two lifetimes. And keep in mind, the school is adamant that students don't use any cuss language, but do they follow the rules? No.

ZOS, if my fellow students can drop f-bombs and s-bombs to the point where cuss language is the second language in my school (after English, of course), then the taunts in ESO can be improved upon.

Sorry if this doesn't make sense. I'm trying to frantically correct my scribe's record while I'm tired. Note to everyone else who can afford a scribe: Don't let him/her drink...the results can be disastrous.

Signed,
Arena25

Egonieser · May 2016

You do realize what the female version of a dog is called, right?

rootimus · May 2016

VizigothAlaric wrote: »

thats why pve in this game is *** boring

While I agree that it's ridiculous to dumb down an insult like "son of a ***", particularly when words like "***" get used, it's hardly the reason that PvE in this game is so utterly boring.

Gidorick wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's because the western world is pretty sensitive & easily offended, so we can't even have bad language and such in mature games these days. Look what happened to one of Tracer's poses in Overwatch, for example. It was "too sexualized...."

You don't have to look outside of ESO to see those kinds of changes @Molag_Crow ...

Of course, ZOS claims that these changes were made because the original designs weren't meant to ever be in ESO.

Those original designs, along with other, even skimpier designs in other games, are aimed at kids (in age and / or maturity). They're a sad indictment on society that standards have slipped so far that even kids TV shows have sexual content in them.

The changes make sense from a game perspective. What kind of a muppet would go into a fight with that much exposed skin when they had the option to cover up? However little resistance armour offers against an arrow or sword, it's still orders of magnitude higher than the resistance offered by exposed skin, making it a no-brainer to cover up as much as possible.

CokeVoAYCE · May 2016

zos walks on egg shells. they do whatever they can to be as politically correct and friendly as possible and not to offend anybody. why? must be part of their marketing strategy is all i can think

CokeVoAYCE · May 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's because the western world is pretty sensitive & easily offended, so we can't even have bad language and such in mature games these days. Look what happened to one of Tracer's poses in Overwatch, for example. It was "too sexualized...."

You don't have to look outside of ESO to see those kinds of changes @Molag_Crow ...

Of course, ZOS claims that these changes were made because the original designs weren't meant to ever be in ESO.

to be fair the after in the first pics i like more. the bottom pics before/after is just a disgrace though

RedRoomGaming · May 2016

No one has called me a potato yet I am very sad.

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2016

I prefer the culturally derived insults 'You n'wah' to something that feels like it came out of Fifty Cent's mouth. There's something to be said for them to attempt to immerse us in this fantasy world. I will admit some elements of the game are pretty juvenile, though I'm looking at it in a different perspective perhaps. I think the way a large number of Nords lose their pants and get drunk is juvenile at times. It was funny the first time, but through repetition just made me feel sorry for the Nords. Skyrim didn't do that for me. There was a lot to admire as well as view as flawed in the Nord culture of Skyrim, and I liked that. I feel the Nords got glossed over with a caricature in ESO which I didn't particularly like. Its okay to have a Falstaff here and there, but don't make a whole race of characters Falstaff please.

Molag_Crow · May 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's because the western world is pretty sensitive & easily offended, so we can't even have bad language and such in mature games these days. Look what happened to one of Tracer's poses in Overwatch, for example. It was "too sexualized...."

You don't have to look outside of ESO to see those kinds of changes @Molag_Crow ...

Of course, ZOS claims that these changes were made because the original designs weren't meant to ever be in ESO.

Wow... that's so silly. I bet one person complained, out of hundreds of thousands, and they got taken seriously then these changes went in. ^^

Artjuh90 · May 2016

OP i get your feeling. mine started when i first met eveli the woodelf from orsinium....

Molag_Crow · May 2016

If no swearing, they could at least add *beeps* like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX9wiSBlyiY

lol

P.S I quit that game ages ago.