ZOS, we're not 5 years old. This game is PEGI18

Woeler · May 2016

I was stealing stuff and an NPC called me a "son of a dog". I mean, really? How old are we? Five? What's with this fear to use some vulgar language that fits the scene?

If I caught someone stealing my stuff, the last thing I would call them is a "son of a dog"...

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Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

lol

Tryxus · May 2016

Googoogaga

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

Well to cats that's very offensive !

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

Or at least make up your lore friendly own insults there. Not just be so lazy to edit the ones we use. I mean come on, what the frick.

Moonscythe · May 2016

In a totally fictional fantasy world why would they use modern American vulgarity? It would just drop me right out of the moment if someone started berating me in such language. True, son of a dog, is somewhat unimaginative but so is modern American street talk.

Solariken · May 2016

Yeah, most of the PvE content in this game is pretty juvenile. Cyrodiil zone chat and PMs are where the real fun is.

Also, while we're on the subject, why aren't skooma and moon sugar more prevalent? Wth? These are supposed to be staples of Elder Scrolls games.

Molag_Crow · May 2016

It's because the western world is pretty sensitive & easily offended, so we can't even have bad language and such in mature games these days.

Look what happened to one of Tracer's poses in Overwatch, for example. It was "too sexualized...."

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

driosketch · May 2016

Are you sure "son of a dog" isn't a highly vulgar phrase to the people and cultures of Tamriel? Your post got me thinking that a lot swears are slang, and it would take me out of the world to hear NPC use modern equivalents.

Bookwyrm · May 2016

Psh.

N'wahs.

Woeler · May 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's because the western world is pretty sensitive & easily offended, so we can't even have bad language and such in mature games these days. Look what happened to one of Tracer's poses in Overwatch, for example. It was "too sexualized...."

Played Witcher 3 yet?

Gidorick · May 2016

I agree completely. It's like those mid 2000's M rated FPS games that have their Navy Seals saying things like "Darn". I suggested the concept of a Brutality Pack ( linky: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/222351/brutality-pack-concept) that would have more gore brought to ESO.

I wouldn't mind that including some foul language but honestly, that should just be in the base game.

That being said, I don't think we need to have real world sayings and insults in TES. Sometimes, sure, but not always. The specific example you speak of could have been something like "Son of a Serpent", or "Son of a Fox" (referring to the Grey Fox, which would make contextual sense), or it could be a completely made up word. The best example I can think of is "n'wah". It means nothing to us but I know if I hear it I should feel insulted.

"Son of a dog" does seem a bit... Saturday morning cartoon.

Tryxus · May 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Look what happened to one of Tracer's poses in Overwatch, for example. It was "too sexualized...."

Well her new pose does look better (and fits her more) than the old one

Rosveen · May 2016

The real world equivalent literally means "son of a dog", except it specifies it's a female dog. I fail to see how it doesn't fit the scene, the heart of the insult is preserved.

Skitttles · May 2016

Son of a monkeys uncle.

Gidorick · May 2016

Bookwyrm wrote: »

Psh.

N'wahs.

lol. Thanks for making my point about N'Wah @Bookwyrm

Bookwyrm · May 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Bookwyrm wrote: »

Psh.

N'wahs.

lol. Thanks for making my point about N'Wah @Bookwyrm

No problem! Actually, it's supposed to mean "outsider" or "invader" or "slave" apparently (it's a strictly Dunmeri term, though, like "s'wit" which is slow-wit or slack-wit).

"Fetcher" is also a Dunmeri word for slave, supposedly.

Mysteri0n · May 2016

Don't forget Son-of-A-Biscuit-Eater

Rosveen · May 2016

Woeler wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's because the western world is pretty sensitive & easily offended, so we can't even have bad language and such in mature games these days. Look what happened to one of Tracer's poses in Overwatch, for example. It was "too sexualized...."

Played Witcher 3 yet?

Even though they have a lot of international employees, Witcher 3 was developed in a Central/Eastern European cultural setting (hell, we actually added swear words in Mass Effect localization where there originally were none...) and takes place in a universe established in books filled with crass humor. Erasing vulgarity and sex would be going against the atmosphere of the series. On the other hand, recent Elder Scrolls games are usually pretty tame in this regard and when insults are used, they're derived from local culture and language, not modern English slang.

Mysteri0n · May 2016

Okay will make it more lore friendly Son-of-A-Sweetroll-Eater

Gidorick · May 2016

Bookwyrm wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Bookwyrm wrote: »

Psh.

N'wahs.

lol. Thanks for making my point about N'Wah @Bookwyrm

No problem! Actually, it's supposed to mean "outsider" or "invader" or "slave" apparently (it's a strictly Dunmeri term, though, like "s'wit" which is slow-wit or slack-wit).

"Fetcher" is also a Dunmeri word for slave, supposedly.

I know it means outsider/slave @Bookwyrm , but like most of our curses, the applied meanings are different. People who call someone a female dog aren't meaning to call them a dog, they're meaning to call them a dirty, despicable, untrusted, or cowardly person.

I have always taken N'Wah to be taken as being "unwanted" or "undesired". s'wit ... that pretty much seems to be a Tamrielic version of our S-word.

Each Tamriel culture should have their own culture's insults. An Argonian saying something like "Dry-Skin' should be an insult. A Khajiit calling someone clawless could be seen as an insult. Milk Drinker is a good example of this (even though it's a real world insult too).

To me "Son of Dog" only seems appropriate if it's coming from a Khajiit or being said to a khajiit.

Anyway, This is all just showing that TES has it's own curse words. ZOS doesn't need to resort to using our culture's curse words.

nimander99 · May 2016

OMG IM SOOOOO OFFENDED!

I DEMAND A SAFE SPACE. IMMEDIATELY!!!

Lynx7386 · May 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Or at least make up your lore friendly own insults there. Not just be so lazy to edit the ones we use. I mean come on, what the frick.

Quiet, you mewling milksop!

holosoul · May 2016

The witcher 3 video only displayed some petty vulgar lowbrow insults, neither creative nor funny. I don't think I would relate being adult with speaking like a teen who has something to prove. I'm not saying that ESO insults are witty or clever in the general case, but that video is a pathetic example if it were meant to be one.

Let's examine a bit of Shakespeare shall we? Don't worry, you'll be quite amused.

"Drunkenness is his best virtue, for he will be swine drunk, and in his sleep he does little harm, save to his bedclothes about him." -- All's Well That Ends Well.

"I do wish thou were a dog, that I might love thee something." --Timon of Athens

"I'll beat thee, but I should infect my hands." --Timon of Athens.

"I must tell you friendly in your ear, sell when you can, you are not for all markets." --As You Like It.

"Thou art a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy worsted-stocking knave; a lily-liver'd, action-taking, whoreson, glass-gazing, superserviceable, finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mungril ***." --King Lear.

"Tempt not too much the hatred of my spirit, for I am sick when I do look on thee." --A Midsummer Night's Dream.

"I desire that we be better strangers." --As You Like It.

"Villain, I have done thy mother" --Titus Andronicus

"Would thou were clean enough to spit on" --Timon of Athens

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

No milk drinker is harmed in this thread

Bookwyrm · May 2016

@Gidorick I thought you might, considering your knowledge of ES lore and whatnot, but I imagine there are many on the forums that don't.

VizigothAlaric · May 2016

thats why pve in this game is *** boring

dpencil · May 2016

I try to avoid vulgar language as much as reasonable, though I'll bear it if material is otherwise very appealing. My 4 year old son likes to watch me play too, so I'm happy the game's language is not vulgar. I do have to put on my headphones when in Team Speak, though!

Dahkoht · May 2016

nimander99 wrote: »

OMG IM SOOOOO OFFENDED!

I DEMAND A SAFE SPACE. IMMEDIATELY!!!

Genomic · May 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's because the western world is pretty sensitive & easily offended, so we can't even have bad language and such in mature games these days. Look what happened to one of Tracer's poses in Overwatch, for example. It was "too sexualized...."

I agree. It's so strange to me how weirdly puritanical millennials are. And disturbing how they seem to be on a crusade against 'offensiveness' and are pushing, and often succeeding, in turning the world beige.