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my take on jules video and RD
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- Nerf health for health tanks
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Burning_Talons✭✭✭✭✭Reduce range prob solved and is it me or does it snare too?
Or make inferno an execute1 -
Seri✭✭✭✭Frags can only be used every so often and dark flare has a cast time that can be interrupted. Maybe in a scenario where you're just sitting there letting the opponent cast these at you would you need S&B to reflect them.
Uh huh... So it's fine those have cast time (there are people that will hardcast frags in cyro) but the channel which can be interrupted is a problem?
And you're arguing that people shouldn't be putting points into DoT mitigation? In PvE, sure, but PvP I'd argue people should put points in a mix to both improve strengths and to help fill in weaknesses. You already admitted as somewhat of a dodgeroller so you're already mitigating against the non-DoT builds.
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✭✭✭✭✭americansteel wrote: »am i supposed to know who jules is?
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Ampnode✭✭✭✭Frags can only be used every so often and dark flare has a cast time that can be interrupted. Maybe in a scenario where you're just sitting there letting the opponent cast these at you would you need S&B to reflect them.
Uh huh... So it's fine those have cast time (there are people that will hardcast frags in cyro) but the channel which can be interrupted is a problem?
And you're arguing that people shouldn't be putting points into DoT mitigation? In PvE, sure, but PvP I'd argue people should put points in a mix to both improve strengths and to help fill in weaknesses. You already admitted as somewhat of a dodgeroller so you're already mitigating against the non-DoT builds.
A sorc casting frags has never been and is never going to be a problem. Not only do I rarely encounter hard casters, but it is beyond easy to avoid. Either dodge the huge pile of frags flying through the air or block it(consumes very little stam). Keep in mind you can do those 2 counters with any build. I'd be forced to either change up my entire build by running a bow to interrupt or go balls deep into the group that outnumbers me/my group to interrupt. If I run a bow, I'd definitely have to run a 2H. I shouldn't have to resort to running a FoTM setup, or one I don't enjoy, to fend against one ability. And no, I'm not going to gimp myself severely by running S&B/Bow or DW/Bow.
DoT builds aren't a prevalent thing in Cyrodiil, which is why putting points into DoT mitigation isn't worth doing; however, next patch it may be acceptable to put points into DoT mitigation because of the incoming army of DKs. Anyway, you have 167 points to spend in that tree(assuming you're at cap). If you attempted to even out all mitigation methods while having 27 points into crit resist(10%) and 15 points into increased healing(5%), you'd have all mitigation types(physical/magical/DoT) reduced by 13.4%. Again, next patch it is acceptable to do, but atm it isn't worth being weaker all around because of a minority.PC NA - CP640+
Characters:
Amp - Magicka Nightblade
Amp - Magicka Sorcerer
Amp - Magicka Templar
Amp - Stamina Dragonknight
Amp - Stamina Templar
Amp - Magicka Dragonknight
Amp - Stamina Sorcerer
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Seri✭✭✭✭
Sure - but then the sorc just recasts another frag, or the bow users casts another snipe, or the wrecking blow user winds up another blow (and a cancelled medium attack). Hardcasting frag sorcs aren't common but IMO neither are perma-casting RD users. TBH, I find the hardcasting frag users, bombard and frost reach more irritating than RD in Cyro right now.Frags can only be used every so often and dark flare has a cast time that can be interrupted. Maybe in a scenario where you're just sitting there letting the opponent cast these at you would you need S&B to reflect them.
Uh huh... So it's fine those have cast time (there are people that will hardcast frags in cyro) but the channel which can be interrupted is a problem?
And you're arguing that people shouldn't be putting points into DoT mitigation? In PvE, sure, but PvP I'd argue people should put points in a mix to both improve strengths and to help fill in weaknesses. You already admitted as somewhat of a dodgeroller so you're already mitigating against the non-DoT builds.
A sorc casting frags has never been and is never going to be a problem. Not only do I rarely encounter hard casters, but it is beyond easy to avoid. Either dodge the huge pile of frags flying through the air or block it(consumes very little stam). Keep in mind you can do those 2 counters with any build.
So if DoTs are a minority why is this a problem? If you deem it not worth speccing to prevent something that kills you (by the sounds of it, often), it's not RDs fault. If you spec to prevent 90% of source of damage in Cyro, of course that remaining 10% of skills will probably be a source of death because you're mitigating the rest.DoT builds aren't a prevalent thing in Cyrodiil, which is why putting points into DoT mitigation isn't worth doing; however, next patch it may be acceptable to put points into DoT mitigation because of the incoming army of DKs. Anyway, you have 167 points to spend in that tree(assuming you're at cap). If you attempted to even out all mitigation methods while having 27 points into crit resist(10%) and 15 points into increased healing(5%), you'd have all mitigation types(physical/magical/DoT) reduced by 13.4%. Again, next patch it is acceptable to do, but atm it isn't worth being weaker all around because of a minority.Edited by Seri on May 27, 2016 4:51AMEP CP160+ Templar, Sorc, NB
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Saynna✭✭Radiant is only a problem in open world where you are outnumbered. In 1v1 dueling scenarios it's just too easy to counter on both a magicka and stam build. I love it when someone tries to RD me when I'm at half or lower because I'll pop a healing ward and harness on top of it and reapply harness again if they decide to try and spam it again. By the time the second RD channel is over my healing ward bursts me back to near full health -- sometimes straight back to full -- while I gained resources back with harness magicka and my own magicka regen while the templar player just burned their resources, which nets them a -2 and me a +2. On a stam build all you need to do is reapply rally for burst heal to make RD less effective.
If RD functioned a bit more like vampire's bane where it was just simply a DoT, then yeah that's a problem, but it's not. It's a channeled DoT and that is where its weakness is and you just need to learn how to counter it.PS4 NA Server EP/AD2 -
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Whats with these stale replies of "If you do x it will kill our class" Ummm yknow Templars use to not even have RD right? Also They were pretty good last patch without the buffEdited by [Deleted User] on May 27, 2016 8:04PM0 -
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- No, stop. If you've ever been in a group of 2-4, or solo, then you'd realize what you just said is an outright lie.Sure - but then the sorc just recasts another frag, or the bow users casts another snipe, or the wrecking blow user winds up another blow (and a cancelled medium attack). Hardcasting frag sorcs aren't common but IMO neither are perma-casting RD users. TBH, I find the hardcasting frag users, bombard and frost reach more irritating than RD in Cyro right now.
- DoT builds are a minority right now. Actual DoT builds is what I'm referring to. Like DK's DoTs, Jabs, Poison Arrow, Twin Slashes, Flurry, w/e. Also keep in mind that you barely need to switch up anything to fend against those DoTs. Crit resist, physical/magical mitigation, and your base mitigation is enough to render them useless against you; especially if you have vigor up most of the time. But again, you're telling me to become weaker by switching my entire build up for one ability on one class. If you find it balanced that one ability from one class forces you to change everything, then we're done debatingSo if DoTs are a minority why is this a problem? If you deem it not worth speccing to prevent something that kills you (by the sounds of it, often), it's not RDs fault. If you spec to prevent 90% of source of damage in Cyro, of course that remaining 10% of skills will probably be a source of death because you're mitigating the rest.
[Quoted content removed]Edited by [Deleted User] on May 27, 2016 8:03PMPC NA - CP640+
Characters:
Amp - Magicka Nightblade
Amp - Magicka Sorcerer
Amp - Magicka Templar
Amp - Stamina Dragonknight
Amp - Stamina Templar
Amp - Magicka Dragonknight
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- No, stop. If you've ever been in a group of 2-4, or solo, then you'd realize what you just said is an outright lie.Sure - but then the sorc just recasts another frag, or the bow users casts another snipe, or the wrecking blow user winds up another blow (and a cancelled medium attack). Hardcasting frag sorcs aren't common but IMO neither are perma-casting RD users. TBH, I find the hardcasting frag users, bombard and frost reach more irritating than RD in Cyro right now.
- DoT builds are a minority right now. Actual DoT builds is what I'm referring to. Like DK's DoTs, Jabs, Poison Arrow, Twin Slashes, Flurry, w/e. Also keep in mind that you barely need to switch up anything to fend against those DoTs. Crit resist, physical/magical mitigation, and your base mitigation is enough to render them useless against you; especially if you have vigor up most of the time. But again, you're telling me to become weaker by switching my entire build up for one ability on one class. If you find it balanced that one ability from one class forces you to change everything, then we're done debating.[/quote]So if DoTs are a minority why is this a problem? If you deem it not worth speccing to prevent something that kills you (by the sounds of it, often), it's not RDs fault. If you spec to prevent 90% of source of damage in Cyro, of course that remaining 10% of skills will probably be a source of death because you're mitigating the rest.
DOT defense defends against Jabs as well, and flurry...and many other skills. It's not just 1 skill. Your build has a weakness to DOTS and you have a problem with 1 counter to your build. Dodge roll is not intended to defend against everything in the game and RD averages 3500 dps until you get to 35% ~~ roughly. In execute range it will however execute you if you don't heal which is what it is supposed to do. It's not broken.
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✭✭✭✭✭Frags can only be used every so often and dark flare has a cast time that can be interrupted. Maybe in a scenario where you're just sitting there letting the opponent cast these at you would you need S&B to reflect them.
Uh huh... So it's fine those have cast time (there are people that will hardcast frags in cyro) but the channel which can be interrupted is a problem?
And you're arguing that people shouldn't be putting points into DoT mitigation? In PvE, sure, but PvP I'd argue people should put points in a mix to both improve strengths and to help fill in weaknesses. You already admitted as somewhat of a dodgeroller so you're already mitigating against the non-DoT builds.
DoT builds aren't a prevalent thing in Cyrodiil, which is why putting points into DoT mitigation isn't worth doing...
You're crazy. Siege damage, Magicka/Prox Det, Jabs, ultis like Dawnbreaker & Meteor, Lotusspam, and a bunch of stuff like the Maelstrom crit charge, extra tick damage from Poison injection are all things aside from the almighty Jesus Beam the CPs into reducing DoT damage will help players survive.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.3 -
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✭✭✭I don't say this beam is OP but the skill is completely lame to play against. Everytime I see one idiot spamming this skill in a Xvs1, and ONLY spamming this one stupid skill I wish this skill gets removed from the game. Rework this skill and make it strong in another way that isn't toxic as hell to play against
Edited by Ragnaroek93 on May 27, 2016 6:40PMI used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
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✭ZOS_AntonioP wrote: »Hello everyone,
Recently we've removed a few posts for some flaming and baiting. Please keep in mind that this back and forth is against the Forum Rules, as it tends to derail the topic. For further posts, we would like to ask that everyone remain on topic, and constructive, being civil with one another wouldn't hurt either!
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