PVP is in Pieces right now

The_Great_Maldini · May 2016

The only reasons to take deeper castles than the EMP circle is for strategic advantage only to cut off troop resupply for the enemy or for taking scrolls.

There is otherwise no need for it. After you capture the scroll or crown EMP, let the alliance take their home keeps back to allow for proper competition.

PvP Farming 101: If you outnumber and outclass your enemy, don't crushing him into the ground, let him win a little ground to keep them coming back. That way everyone gains more AP over time. If you utterly crush your enemy, then the only thing you're going to be doing is sitting there in your keeps, playing with yourselves on an empty server.

zZzleepyhead · May 2016

CP needs to be addressed if the topic is PvP in shambles. The two go hand in hand.
HOW DID THEY THINK PUTTING A 3600 CAP ON CP WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA?!

If you put in AOE caps OBVIOUSLY there will be more zergs. *WOAH!* The population of campaigns is probably half of what it used to be.

Clearly this whole thing was a train wreck - failure by design.

We need ZOS to start punishing/enlightening players who are bad. Cyrodiil is so unfriendly to the cowardly and PvE is an ever-increasing crutch.'

That is the ONLY way to break up the zergs. Putting an in-game mechanic to actually punish ball groups just seems unrealistic. You need to reach the players. You're never going to solve the problem if you can't admit the problem is the behavior of your player base. I think we need anonymous instanced duels: MMR-based, CP-based or a combination of both; Something! That will help players GET GUD. Because what's there at the moment? Cyrodiil? LOL

They can't touch PvP because the game is held together so delicately. The ONLY reasonable fixes they can do is to add gear sets.

disgusting

Crown · May 2016

So.. nothing has changed in the 2 months that I've been playing Paragon?

I logged in a few days ago to say hi to a few people, and starting wondering why I couldn't get my ult off with the R key. It's amazing how quick your muscle memory changes from one game to another!

God_flakes · May 2016

Crown, I miss you. Please come back and give EP grief on TF.

frozywozy · May 2016

Esgameplaya1 wrote: »

10:50pm (California) pacific standard time

1:40am pst

at the time of this last picture I watched 10 ep chase 1 ad
two hours later EP had all inner keeps

Zos take some advice from players please!!
I believe its time for this if possible; a post from almost 2 years ago
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/129494/suggestion-dynamic-population-caps/p1

wtb dynamic population

cote-bmsb16_ESO · May 2016

wtb arenas. f cyrodiil

Mako1132 · May 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Rather than dynamic population caps I would rather see something EVE style like invulnerable timers that the guilds owning the keeps can set.

Have an eight hour lock out time where you keep can't be captured and thus negate night capping. This way we continue to have PvP campaigns which let everyone in but give each keep a time block where it won't be taken and most beneficial to the guild who own it.

I'm against dynamic caps because I don't feel I should be kept from joining my friends and guild mates in Cyrodiil just because other factions are not playing on the same campaign as us.

The other way (which the community will never support) is to just have a single Cyrodiil instance and let it finally be a single war everyone partakes in and keeping the balance in factions at all times.

The only thing dynamic caps does is prevent the overpopulated faction from completely overwhelming the opposition on pure numbers as has been happening. It doesn't affect you otherwise. If you and your friends are part of the problem and refuse to be part of the solution I couldn't actually care less if you want to move to a different campaign or not.

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2016

They could do like some games, and give some kind of an assistance to factions that are overwhelmingly defeated: Especially for example in cases where all scrolls are taken and you're pushed up to the spawn point. I've seen this in other games - TSW for instance.

danno8 · May 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

They could do like some games, and give some kind of an assistance to factions that are overwhelmingly defeated: Especially for example in cases where all scrolls are taken and you're pushed up to the spawn point. I've seen this in other games - TSW for instance.

Dynamic pop caps are a decent idea but the problem is that they can prevent people from playing at all, which I am sure ZoS wants to minimize as much as possible.

I prefer the idea of campaigns that are underpopulated to get bonuses to damage against players and structures. It could be called "Battle Frenzy" as contrast to Battle Spirit. Formula could be simply a 10% bonus that is multiplied by the amount your faction is outmanned. So if your faction has 50 people and the opposing faction has 150 the bonus would be multiplied by 3 for a 30% damage bonus to structures and players. (tweaking obviously needed, just pulling numbers out of the air)

But a couple of things would have to occur for this to work well:
1. IC population has to be separate from overland population OR IC has to be involved in campaign score somehow.
2. The system check needs to be responsive, unlike now with the population bonus scoring being very sluggish.

The idea is to give the low pop campaigns the tools to fight back and make a game of it, not just bonus points for being low pop like how it is now. And to allow that system to dynamically adjust quickly so the bonuses don't extend into a situation where the population rebounds into a more equal state.

edit: I realize this makes dueling and testing tougher. Not sure what could be done about that. Maybe the bonus applies only while nearby keeps or something.

umagon · May 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Crown, I miss you. Please come back and give EP grief on TF.

History tends to repeat it's self and based on that what you are asking means DC would lose ash 24/7. So EP would be at ales 24/7 AD at ash 24/7 and DC getting dped at glade 24/7. Nether group would fight each other much instead they will go for the easiest targets for ap (path of least resistance). And right now the path of least resistance is any faction with lower population numbers.

What really needs to happen is dynamic population caps were only 10% more players are allowed to enter the play field based on the population number of the lowest faction. It's not perfect but it does keep the numbers relatively even. Personally I don't care if it creates queues; vet ranks are going to be gone and the alt restriction has been removed so they make another character or go to a different server.

Fyaal · May 2016

Logged on.

We have the blue scrolls.

Goddamnit...

God_flakes · May 2016

umagon wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Crown, I miss you. Please come back and give EP grief on TF.

History tends to repeat it's self and based on that what you are asking means DC would lose ash 24/7. So EP would be at ales 24/7 AD at ash 24/7 and DC getting dped at glade 24/7. Nether group would fight each other much instead they will go for the easiest targets for ap (path of least resistance). And right now the path of least resistance is any faction with lower population numbers.

What really needs to happen is dynamic population caps were only 10% more players are allowed to enter the play field based on the population number of the lowest faction. It's not perfect but it does keep the numbers relatively even. Personally I don't care if it creates queues; vet ranks are going to be gone and the alt restriction has been removed so they make another character or go to a different server.

Did you see my thread about capturing enemies and the mass flow of tears that ensued over even a suggestion some players be taken out for a few minutes? Imagine the earth shattering rage the devs would endure if large amounts of people were not allowed access to a campaign.

Satiar · May 2016

Fyaal wrote: »

Logged on.

We have the blue scrolls.

Goddamnit...

Dammmmmn when did that happen? EP was at Chal when I logged.

Fyaal · May 2016

Some point after 04:30 est I guess.

Rakkul · May 2016

The fix to pvp is 60% drain potions.
Apparently this is the must have, everyone spams, ability that will improve the pvp environment.

Jhunn · May 2016

I'm amazed some people still, after 2 years, cares enough to cap an entire map.

Anwyay I'm so bored with Cyrodiil and its current state that I only PvP a couple hours daily, and almost don't even bother to solo PvP. Why people bother to PvD at the moment is just beyond me.

frozywozy · May 2016

My idea of dynamic population on a 30days campaign :

1) You must register to join a campaign cycle in the beginning
2) Once all 3 factions reaches a certain threshold, the campaign starts
3) During the cycle, you cannot home there unless a player of your own faction doesn't play for a certain amount of days (he gets kicked out of the campaign) or he decides to re-home somewhere else mid campaign
4) When the campaign ends, everybody has to register to join the campaign again. First to apply is first to be served.

RadioheadSh0t · May 2016

Rakkul wrote: »

The fix to pvp is 60% drain potions.
Apparently this is the must have, everyone spams, ability that will improve the pvp environment.

I would be excited about DB if it weren't for poisons.

Balance is going to be completely absurd next patch. These one-shot poison builds are going to be completely overpowered, and there is literally no way to counter them.

mchermie · May 2016

Jhunn wrote: »

I'm amazed some people still, after 2 years, cares enough to cap an entire map.

Anwyay I'm so bored with Cyrodiil and its current state that I only PvP a couple hours daily, and almost don't even bother to solo PvP. Why people bother to PvD at the moment is just beyond me.

Couldnt agree more

Bramir · May 2016

Kind of unrelated, but related in a way. I logged on to Trueflame last night as EP, saw a ton of LFGs in chat, so I started inviting. After playing for a few minutes it became very obvious that AD and DC were simply not present in significant numbers, so I wasn't really taking my leader role seriously...since there wasn't really anyone to fight.

Then some guy in my squad started complaining about how badly we needed teamspeak, so we could be 'organized' in our chasing of solo questers and capturing resources. I about flipped out on him, though I contained myself...he not only wanted to kick the other factions while they were down, but wanted to do it in the most efficient manner possible. Seriously? Do people really need teamspeak to do something I can do alone?

God_flakes · May 2016

Bramir wrote: »

Kind of unrelated, but related in a way. I logged on to Trueflame last night as EP, saw a ton of LFGs in chat, so I started inviting. After playing for a few minutes it became very obvious that AD and DC were simply not present in significant numbers, so I wasn't really taking my leader role seriously...since there wasn't really anyone to fight.

Then some guy in my squad started complaining about how badly we needed teamspeak, so we could be 'organized' in our chasing of solo questers and capturing resources. I about flipped out on him, though I contained myself...he not only wanted to kick the other factions while they were down, but wanted to do it in the most efficient manner possible. Seriously? Do people really need teamspeak to do something I can do alone?

Chase down solo questers?

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

I shouldn't even post . I'd just be regurgitating 2015 . Some people have found out they're just better off making plans for themselves instead of others . Probably why I'm still enjoying PvP while others aren't . Good luck . Hope it gets better for you and you find what you're looking for .

God_flakes · May 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I shouldn't even post . I'd just be regurgitating 2015 . Some people have found out they're just better off making plans for themselves instead of others . Probably why I'm still enjoying PvP while others aren't . Good luck . Hope it gets better for you and you find what you're looking for .

Roe, come grind cp with me and show me the sewers.

Reevster · May 2016

Ya it was pretty bad the other day/s , EP ruling the map and we AD with very low Pop couldnt even get to a farm at Fare....some / most of us gave up/ logged out, but i was thinking how bored it must be for EP to wait around for a few scattered players knowing that those players will give up and leave at some point, then no one to kill or Farm AP from.

Maybe those EP who were AD and jumped ship need to go back to where they came from lol.

This N/A P/C trueflame

Elong · May 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Fyaal wrote: »

Logged on.

We have the blue scrolls.

Goddamnit...

Dammmmmn when did that happen? EP was at Chal when I logged.

I logged around 6am EST (10pm for me) and EP didn't have them....I don't know when they sleep.

ataggs · May 2016

EP was pop locked by 2pm Eastern. It may have been earlier but didn't think to look in till someone mentioned it on zone. At the time DC and AD were only 2 bars. This is when they pushed emp. If that is fun for them then that's cool, they aren't looking for a challenge.

Pchela · May 2016

ataggs wrote: »

EP was pop locked by 2pm Eastern. It may have been earlier but didn't think to look in till someone mentioned it on zone. At the time DC and AD were only 2 bars. This is when they pushed emp. If that is fun for them then that's cool, they aren't looking for a challenge.

Meanwhile one AD sieges Farragut and four EP scream for help in zone chat. Smh

Brutusmax1mus · May 2016

Some one said to LeBron James that he should just let the other team stay with in 5 points so the other team has a chance to win. LeBron said you're a ******** ***** ******** idiot you stupid. ***** *******.

That's not how you win.. go to ic if you don't care about points and winning.

ataggs · May 2016

I love the LeBron quote! I guess my point is competitors want to compete, some of the tactics mentioned in this thread are cowardly at best.

Mako1132 · May 2016

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Some one said to LeBron James that he should just let the other team stay with in 5 points so the other team has a chance to win. LeBron said you're a ******** ***** ******** idiot you stupid. ***** *******.

That's not how you win.. go to ic if you don't care about points and winning.

Lebron doesn't play 5v10. His opponents don't score points while he's not at the game. If you want to compare the situation to sports, EP on Trueflame is currently playing on a constant power play, sometimes a double. Hockey wouldn't be very fun if that was how the game was at all times. All anyone is asking is for some semblance of sportsmanship. If all you want is to win, you can go to a game where it actually matters. No one plays this game intensely for an infused Leki staff.