Speed hack/exploit...

waterfairy · May 2016

I love how mentioning a hack gets speedy attention from ZOS yet I posted issues about not being able to log in after the maintenance (along with many others sharing my issue) and receive no reply.

xANTIxMATTERx · May 2016

I know exactly who you're talking about. Up until last week I would swear to people saying there's no actual "hacks" or cheats in this game. Apparently I was wrong because I have heard a few names of players who have confirmed they use this speed hack. If you need to cheat to gain an advantage you don't deserve to play with the rest of us. Just my two cents though...

Aenlir · May 2016

This is an actual exploit (for once) and hopefully it is fixed soon before pvp becomes even more of a joke.

Edit: Also this has been around for a very long time, but recently has gained a lot more exposure.

Necrelios · May 2016

Yes there are speed hacks in most games, so it wouldn't surprise me if they found a way to do it ESO. It is also very possible to make a build that runs faster than a full speed horse, there are builds available out there which specialize in that for scroll running, if anyone is interested you can look it up. The question is, was the character moving so fast they were barely visible on your screen (like a brief flash of light)? That is what a speed hack usually looks like.

Nifty2g · May 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

I love how mentioning a hack gets speedy attention from ZOS yet I posted issues about not being able to log in after the maintenance (along with many others sharing my issue) and receive no reply.

Are you being serious? Their game getting hacked is more important than your router issues

SirAndy · May 2016

Necrelios wrote: »

That is what a speed hack usually looks like.

Not in this case. The speed multiplier is stored as a floating point number, meaning one can use any fractional number.

- Don't want to look too suspicious? Just use 1.5 for your multiplier.
- Want to outrun everyone? Use the 2x multiplier.
- Once you get to 3x or more, you run the risk of being disconnected from the server since the half-baked server side "sanity check" will start to trigger.

Whatzituyah · May 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

Necrelios wrote: »

That is what a speed hack usually looks like.

Not in this case. The speed multiplier is stored as a floating point number, meaning one can use any fractional number.

- Don't want to look too suspicious? Just use 1.5 for your multiplier.
- Want to outrun everyone? Use the 2x multiplier.
- Once you get to 3x or more, you run the risk of being disconnected from the server since the half-baked server side "sanity check" will start to trigger.

What if its 2.9999~x? I'm sure you get the drift basically the infinite numbers behind the decimal thats less than 3. I know its a question on a technical stand point what im bored and burned out by ESO.

SirAndy · May 2016

Whatzituyah wrote: »

What if its 2.9999~x? I'm sure you get the drift basically the infinite numbers behind the decimal thats less than 3. I know its a question on a technical stand point what im bored and burned out by ESO.

There's no exact threshold, there are many factors that come into play. One client might be fine with 3.1 while another gets kicked with 2.7.

waterfairy · May 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

I love how mentioning a hack gets speedy attention from ZOS yet I posted issues about not being able to log in after the maintenance (along with many others sharing my issue) and receive no reply.

Are you being serious? Their game getting hacked is more important than your router issues

So someone running faster then they should is more important then most of the NA Xbox players even being able to play the game? I'm not alone here, the 3 PM maintenance broke the game for us and Jessica didn't even address the issue yet she was quick to investigate someone exploiting speed.

Komma · May 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

I love how mentioning a hack gets speedy attention from ZOS yet I posted issues about not being able to log in after the maintenance (along with many others sharing my issue) and receive no reply.

Are you being serious? Their game getting hacked is more important than your router issues

So someone running faster then they should is more important then most of the NA Xbox players even being able to play the game? I'm not alone here, the 3 PM maintenance broke the game for us and Jessica didn't even address the issue yet she was quick to investigate someone exploiting speed.

Thats just so not true. Maybe you should use the Dev Tracker. She and another responded so lets not fib here.

Turelus · May 2016

OGLezard wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Those still trying to explain this away with "L2P, this is just stacking skills, gear and buffs" either have no idea what is going on or they have an agenda trying to take away attention from the hacks.

There are two speed hacks/exploits i know of and they have been with the game for a long time. They have also been pointed out to ZOS over and over and over and yet here we are, still sending videos to ZOS as if this was something new.

This. So much this. There's a pretty obvious website that gives out said tool, and one of the forum posters here from back in the day used his same name ON THAT SITE as the one he used here and I pointed this out to ZoS and nothing was done. Everything he showed there with his characters he also showed videos here with the same characters. I mean come on. How much more obvious does it have to be lol.

Maybe one day zos will stand up and find a way to stop it. Don't hold your breath, I'm pretty sure that dream is right up there where they put spellcrafting, i.e. no eta or abandoned.

Still love the game though

This would require investment into an actual security and GM team to work live within the game every day, it's pretty clear at this point ZOS or Zenimax Media don't see this as a worthwhile investment.
Cheating/Exploiting is basically how this game is played now, we just have to accept it.

Olern · May 2016

I've been on Haderus and seen at least one person moving at speeds that just can't be achieved by 'combining sets and skills'. If you have to cheat to be competitive, then maybe move to a single player game where you can use your console commands to give you God mode or whatever.

Autolycus · May 2016

I've seen this, and I know people who have used Speed Hack to gain an unfair advantage in Cyrodiil. Not something I would normally admit, but I used it once just to see the difference between it and the combination of buffs accessible in game (not against players, just running around and killing trash, etc). It is a huge advantage and is completely unfair to others.

While at times fixing this is as simple as banning the individual in question, the better solution would be to run a background app that does a quick check for external "cheat" programs on boot-up or periodically when logged. Many games utilize this function, and I'm not sure why ZOS doesn't.

TequilaFire · May 2016

Really doesn't take a big staff to find out these exploits, just someone who can use Google. smh

kadar · May 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

Those still trying to explain this away with "L2P, this is just stacking skills, gear and buffs" either have no idea what is going on or they have an agenda trying to take away attention from the hacks.

There are two speed hacks/exploits i know of and they have been with the game for a long time. They have also been pointed out to ZOS over and over and over and yet here we are, still sending videos to ZOS as if this was something new.

Calling out the one-who-cries exploit is not a bad thing though. We all know that 90% of the time when someone is freaking out about an exploit, there isn't really an exploit/hack/whatever. Not saying that this is one of those times...just saying that's why people try to explain how to achieve something w/o exploiting.

laksikus · May 2016

still waiting for the vid we were promised

SirAndy · May 2016

The_Outsider wrote: »

Calling out the one-who-cries exploit is not a bad thing though. We all know that 90% of the time when someone is freaking out about an exploit, there isn't really an exploit/hack/whatever. Not saying that this is one of those times...just saying that's why people try to explain how to achieve something w/o exploiting.

@The_Outsider
Here we go again...

Two speedhacks i know of, one an actual hack (3rd party app), the other an exploit of in-game mechanics/bug.
BOTH of which have been around for a long, long, long time.

- The hack app has been around since launch and you can easily find it on Google within 2 minutes
- I've known of the exploit for at least a year and while that one is a bit harder to find, it's not really "secret" either.

BOTH have been reported to ZOS ad nauseam and yet here we are two years later and people like you are *still* trying hard to cast doubt.
I can only think of one reason why you would do so ...

OdinForge · May 2016

The_Outsider wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Those still trying to explain this away with "L2P, this is just stacking skills, gear and buffs" either have no idea what is going on or they have an agenda trying to take away attention from the hacks.

There are two speed hacks/exploits i know of and they have been with the game for a long time. They have also been pointed out to ZOS over and over and over and yet here we are, still sending videos to ZOS as if this was something new.

Calling out the one-who-cries exploit is not a bad thing though. We all know that 90% of the time when someone is freaking out about an exploit, there isn't really an exploit/hack/whatever. Not saying that this is one of those times...just saying that's why people try to explain how to achieve something w/o exploiting.

Exactly. When someone cries and claims that someone is exploiting/stacking 90% dodge chance with Shuffle, yet no video exists to prove it, that means it doesn't exist. If someone is able to dodge 10 attacks in a row from only shuffle, it would be easy to record.

There is a video floating around today of someone seemingly using a CE program to increase movement speed. Videos like this exist, because this is a legitimate hack, not some made up story, fueled by assumption and misinformation.

There is a difference between exploiting broken in-game mechanics (double mundus), and hacking the game (3rd party tools) with something like a speed-hack. In the same video mentioned above, you can clearly see that his skill animations aren't being speed up by the "hack". Only his running and walk speed, but that won't stop people from falsely assuming it's related to animation cancel or anything.

Komma · May 2016

laksikus wrote: »

still waiting for the vid we were promised

The video was sent to Jessica. Not posting it here just to see this thread closed. If you looked hard enough on youtube you could prolly find it.

Talyena · May 2016

The_Outsider wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Those still trying to explain this away with "L2P, this is just stacking skills, gear and buffs" either have no idea what is going on or they have an agenda trying to take away attention from the hacks.

There are two speed hacks/exploits i know of and they have been with the game for a long time. They have also been pointed out to ZOS over and over and over and yet here we are, still sending videos to ZOS as if this was something new.

Calling out the one-who-cries exploit is not a bad thing though. We all know that 90% of the time when someone is freaking out about an exploit, there isn't really an exploit/hack/whatever. Not saying that this is one of those times...just saying that's why people try to explain how to achieve something w/o exploiting.

The guy sent me a tell the first day after I killed him saying the build he was using was broken even though I didn't say a thing to him. He said he was going to report it. He was still using it as of yesterday (three days in a row that I've seen). If it is a bug in a certain build that gives too much run speed then it's an exploit to continue using it. On the other hand, it could just be someone's excuse for using a hack. I've seen a couple of others using some speed exploit/hack, but not frequently and not so openly.

Ch4mpTW · May 2016

Ah... So the old speed exploit gets light shed on it again. My question is, is ZOS going to fix it this time around? Or let it continue to go on?

As others have said, this exploit is nothing new. In fact, it's been plaguing PVP for quite some time now. And believe it or not, it has been reported on more than one occasion to Zenimax. But for some odd reason, it was ignored.

So my question is, what in particular caused a ZOS member to respond to hastily to the exploit this time around? Especially when Xbox players have been getting jammed up for quite some time, and some of which haven't even had their threads responded to? Hmm... I wonder...

ИВАН_ВОДКА · May 2016

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

This has been in game so long it is on the approved add-ons list.

@clayandaudrey_ESO stoll tellin ***
its nothing to do with adodons, ROFLMAO

ИВАН_ВОДКА · May 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

the better solution would be to run a background app that does a quick check for external "cheat" programs on boot-up or periodically when logged. Many games utilize this function, and I'm not sure why ZOS doesn't.

@Autolycus
and ZOS will be sued for this
no 3rd party spy soft allowed in all countries

Autolycus · May 2016

ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

the better solution would be to run a background app that does a quick check for external "cheat" programs on boot-up or periodically when logged. Many games utilize this function, and I'm not sure why ZOS doesn't.

@Autolycus
and ZOS will be sued for this
no 3rd party spy soft allowed in all countries

If they chose to implement something like this, then I suppose they would just have to be selective about which countries it's implemented in. It's definitely allowable in the States to an extent, as I've seen it on many other MMOs before, dating back to the 90s and early 2000s.

Rune_Relic · May 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

the better solution would be to run a background app that does a quick check for external "cheat" programs on boot-up or periodically when logged. Many games utilize this function, and I'm not sure why ZOS doesn't.

@Autolycus
and ZOS will be sued for this
no 3rd party spy soft allowed in all countries

If they chose to implement something like this, then I suppose they would just have to be selective about which countries it's implemented in. It's definitely allowable in the States to an extent, as I've seen it on many other MMOs before, dating back to the 90s and early 2000s.

They could use the windows 10 policy of keylog,monitor and forward all data/activity to microsoft as part of the installation agreement.
Total invasion of privacy but somehow microsoft is allowed to expoit the arse out of it and everyone turns a blind eye.
They do allow you to disable, but doing so will break the installation and cause it to malfunction.
No support is offered to fix whats broken after disabling said features.
Even then disabled features start overriding being disabled anyway and simply ignore it.
Some even re-enable and switch themselves back on.
I am more annoyed at governments turning a blind eye than microsoft to be honest.
Governments have allowed it to become 'accepted busines practice'.
Says everything we we need to know.
/tinfoilhatoff

OGLezard · May 2016

ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

the better solution would be to run a background app that does a quick check for external "cheat" programs on boot-up or periodically when logged. Many games utilize this function, and I'm not sure why ZOS doesn't.

@Autolycus
and ZOS will be sued for this
no 3rd party spy soft allowed in all countries

@ИВАН_ВОДКA you do know it's NOT illegal right........ black desert online does it, steam does it, LOTS of games do it, almost if not ALL f2p games do it. It is nothing illegal. If you agree to their ToS, and if it is in there that they can monitor for cheating programs etc blah blah, then they CAN do it lol. It is only illegal if they don't tell you about it. So next time they update their ToS, read it.....it might be there this time we will never know unless we read

kevlarto_ESO · May 2016

if these speed hacks have been in game for so long how come they are just now being seen by more and more people ?
I am in pvp everyday for 4 to 6 hours and longer on the weekends 8 to 10 hours, I have seen some strange things, never have I seen so many people speed exploit like I have this last week.

There may have been speed exploits in the past, and I believe this one might be different, if it was just a glitch most everyone would be doing it, not just a few players that run together.

PVP is in bad enough shape as it is, with population imbalance, broken game mechanics, lag, the last thing we need is more exploiters. I just wish ZOS was a little more heavy handed on the ban hammer like other companies are.

karakondzula · May 2016

Ive just seen ur video, thats some weird shiet. Could be speed hack idk.

SantieClaws · May 2016

Khajiit proposes the following solution to deal with proven cheaters:

They should be ground up and distributed for use as cheap fishing bait

All their possessions should be transferred to the Bank of Khajiit

Their name and picture should be posted on notices across the land to warn other wrongdoers

A tombstone should be placed for them in the graveyard in Daggerfall. Khajiit and all her friends will go and dance around it every Sunday.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Dubhliam · May 2016

Get real people, there is only one buff - the Major Expetition, Minor Expedition won't be on live until DB comes out.
Let's not forget Major Expedition got a nerf to speed.

A simple Google search will usually provide all the answers.

For all those nay-sayers.