ZOS...I'm begging you PLEASE!!!

gamerguy757 · May 2016

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

PurifedBladez · May 2016

Beg all you want brah. Lol

Uriel_Nocturne · May 2016

gamerguy757 wrote: »

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

Not every Sorcerer "requires" Critical Surge.

Just saying.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2016

What did I miss? I didnt see anything about surge in the dark brother hood patch notes. I heard someone say that power surge was getting buffed, but cant seem to confirm that.

idk · May 2016

gamerguy757 wrote: »

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

It's good t let thoughts on this be known but the PTS forum is the better location since those working he change and PTS are spending me time in that forum than here, for obvious reasons.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

Oh don't worry, at least they didn't nerf the bejebus outta your shields...

gamerguy757 · May 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Oh don't worry, at least they didn't nerf the bejebus outta your shields...

Everyone keeps crying over the 6s nerf to our shields...quite frankly...its not. Just rebuild our sorc around regen lol. So simple.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

What did I miss? I didnt see anything about surge in the dark brother hood patch notes. I heard someone say that power surge was getting buffed, but cant seem to confirm that.

It wasn't in the original patch notes. It was in an updated version of them. Around a week or so ago.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

Not every Sorcerer "requires" Critical Surge.

Just saying.

I know, but when in VMA and you need that OH CRAP heal, Crit Surge Heal was the best way. Healing Ward, which is what we'll have to use now, is not very reliable as it takes 6 seconds to actually heal you.

failkiwib16_ESO · May 2016

What?
Critical Surge is the only useful morph for me, since Power Surge buff doesnt stack with Spell Power pots x_x I don't want my heals nerfed on my sorc... I'm terrible at that class, but it's my favorite Q.Q

Valrien · May 2016

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

Not every Sorcerer "requires" Critical Surge.

Just saying.

In vMA, the good Sorcs use Power Surge.

gamerguy757 · May 2016

Valrien wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

Not every Sorcerer "requires" Critical Surge.

Just saying.

In vMA, the good Sorcs use Power Surge.

So...if they use Power Surge...then where does Major Sorcery come from? Constantly popping Potions?

attackjet · May 2016

gamerguy757 wrote: »

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

HAHAHAHA PREPARE BE A REGULAR NON OP PLAYER LIKE THE REST OF US.

meta, its the worse in MMOs I swear

DRXHarbinger · May 2016

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

Not every Sorcerer "requires" Critical Surge.

Just saying.

In vMA, the good Sorcs use Power Surge.

So...if they use Power Surge...then where does Major Sorcery come from? Constantly popping Potions?

You on crack? Power surge gives 20% spell damage and still heals to full on overload and procd frags, crit surge just gives Weapon damage and heals.... read the tool tips properly before morphing Bro.

Aldruin · May 2016

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

Not every Sorcerer "requires" Critical Surge.

Just saying.

In vMA, the good Sorcs use Power Surge.

So...if they use Power Surge...then where does Major Sorcery come from? Constantly popping Potions?

All the top DPS builds rely on getting major buffs from pots, people that use Power Surge do that.

gamerguy757 · May 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

Not every Sorcerer "requires" Critical Surge.

Just saying.

In vMA, the good Sorcs use Power Surge.

So...if they use Power Surge...then where does Major Sorcery come from? Constantly popping Potions?

You on crack? Power surge gives 20% spell damage and still heals to full on overload and procd frags, crit surge just gives Weapon damage and heals.... read the tool tips properly before morphing Bro.

Ok that was my bad. Yes I meant Power Surge. I got the two mixed up. Thanks for helping me clear that up.

Fallen_Ray · May 2016

switch to degeneration or structured entropy man, I know I will. I know its heals aren't as good. But they will provide more healing compared to the power surge flat value

DRXHarbinger · May 2016

gamerguy757 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

Not every Sorcerer "requires" Critical Surge.

Just saying.

In vMA, the good Sorcs use Power Surge.

So...if they use Power Surge...then where does Major Sorcery come from? Constantly popping Potions?

You on crack? Power surge gives 20% spell damage and still heals to full on overload and procd frags, crit surge just gives Weapon damage and heals.... read the tool tips properly before morphing Bro.

Ok that was my bad. Yes I meant Power Surge. I got the two mixed up. Thanks for helping me clear that up.

Respec to power surge, ditch crit surge immediately if you're using it. Don't worry about the heal reduction too much, won't be too bad, will just make sorcing a bit more frantic but nothing to worry about too much, if you're chucking out 20k dps and 28k frags, 35k overloads you'll be perfectly safe still. Frag spammers will be toast though.

failkiwib16_ESO · May 2016

Wait this thread is about Power Surge, not Crit Surge? O.o

I get to keep my Crit Surge?

Q.Q

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2016

Seriously, what is the change?!?

Power surge is for Magic sorcs for heals and the spell power buff. No pots required if you run this. Also what makes VMA doable on a sorc.

Crit Surge is a bigger heal I guess, but just gives weapon damage. Not sure why anyone but a stam sorc would run this ever.

So um, which one got changed and how?

Valrien · May 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Seriously, what is the change?!?

Power surge is for Magic sorcs for heals and the spell power buff. No pots required if you run this. Also what makes VMA doable on a sorc.

Crit Surge is a bigger heal I guess, but just gives weapon damage. Not sure why anyone but a stam sorc would run this ever.

So um, which one got changed and how?

It'll be a flat value heal (and a low one at that) with a cooldown of 1 sec and props on crits.

gamerguy757 · May 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

Not every Sorcerer "requires" Critical Surge.

Just saying.

In vMA, the good Sorcs use Power Surge.

So...if they use Power Surge...then where does Major Sorcery come from? Constantly popping Potions?

You on crack? Power surge gives 20% spell damage and still heals to full on overload and procd frags, crit surge just gives Weapon damage and heals.... read the tool tips properly before morphing Bro.

Ok that was my bad. Yes I meant Power Surge. I got the two mixed up. Thanks for helping me clear that up.

Respec to power surge, ditch crit surge immediately if you're using it. Don't worry about the heal reduction too much, won't be too bad, will just make sorcing a bit more frantic but nothing to worry about too much, if you're chucking out 20k dps and 28k frags, 35k overloads you'll be perfectly safe still. Frag spammers will be toast though.

That's actually what my damage is actually lol. I usually Put down Flame Wall (maelstrom inferno staff), Liquid Lightning at the same time then slam with frags and overload the dangerous adds (like archers and fast moving melee). Normally frags would heal me but now the baseline heal is so low, I will have to rock a resto staff with healing ward and rune prison for heals.

gamerguy757 · May 2016

And honestly, now i'm going to make a MagPlar with 5x julians, 2x kena, 3x willpower, 2 torugs pact to help out with VMA grinding. I need some more jewels and all I need is a Sharpened Maul or a Sharpened Axe.

failkiwib16_ESO · May 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Seriously, what is the change?!?

Power surge is for Magic sorcs for heals and the spell power buff. No pots required if you run this. Also what makes VMA doable on a sorc.

Crit Surge is a bigger heal I guess, but just gives weapon damage. Not sure why anyone but a stam sorc would run this ever.

So um, which one got changed and how?

@Oreyn_Bearclaw if you want to use Power Surge for the same effect that you can get from potions, you have to break your rotation of damage skills at some point and cast it. Potions don't require a break of your dps rotation...
Basically:

if you don't have Spell Power potions, Power Surge is a dps boost.
if you do have Spell Power potions then Power Surge is a dps loss.

I prefer Critical Surge on my magicka sorcerer, because it provides better heals.

willymchilybily · May 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Seriously, what is the change?!?

Power surge is for Magic sorcs for heals and the spell power buff. No pots required if you run this. Also what makes VMA doable on a sorc.

Crit Surge is a bigger heal I guess, but just gives weapon damage. Not sure why anyone but a stam sorc would run this ever.

So um, which one got changed and how?

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/264936/pts-patch-notes-v2-4-2/p1

Gina (aka Wrobels Tear Harvester) wrote: »

surge: This ability and its morphs now restore a flat value of health whenever you deal a Critical Strike. It will now also proc on any Critical Strike instead of only direct damage Critical Strikes, but can only restore health once every second.

failkiwib16_ESO · May 2016

@willymchilybily Q.Q and there went my dreams.... once every second is too slow >.<

Septimus_Magna · May 2016

gamerguy757 wrote: »

ZOS I'm begging you, please don't do the change to Critical Surge! Us Sorcs require the heal for our DPS and heals! Especially in VMA. Please don't do it!

Guess it was time that the little healing that sorcs had got nerfed, way to OP apparently haha.

In the ESO Live Wrobel said it was a problem while overloading or something.
Instead of changing overload to provide less surge healing he nerfed surge which isnt even the problem.

Now all skills provide less healing with surge because overload was giving too much healing, thats some solid logic right there.

Spare yourself the trouble and reroll a Redguard stam DK, it will be crazy OP next update.

magnusthorek · May 2016

I must be the only who didn't get it the complaints about Surge morphs.

It's going to heal a flat value instead of a percentage of damage dealt. Bosses hit pretty hard and are pretty tough, so with all absorption they don't take really much damage to end up in a good healing.

It's going to scale off Weapon/Spell Critical chance. As it is, at least Power Surge sued as Magicka Sorcerer I am, it's 40%. With the change, going full divines I'll have at least 65%. More chance, more healing. And if it's flat per second, in theory I would be healing more often

Am I wrong? Why?

STEVIL · May 2016

The key to the complaints I have seen was that mostly with temp jabs they can use on attack at close range and heal while attacking enough to survive as long as they channel.

So, for sorcs, they wanted the same one power heal enough to survive on it alone but also deserved it to apply to long ranged attacks, non-channel attacks, ultimayes, knockdown attacks etc etc etc and maybe even apply when block and dodge (dots) in order to be balanced.

Now, of course strife applies percentage in hot and Jesus beam provide a ranged channel for less but sorcs need it to apply to every attack even those with other effects already FOR BALANCE.

Of course, there are MULTIPLE other skills that LIKE Surge and UNLIKE jabs/syrife/radiant apply a heal effect to OTHER ATTACKs (with restrictions) and all of those provide flat rates that are low like the new Surge but ***FOR BALANCE*** sorcs cannot abide Surge working like it's most similar cousins

So, it's really all about balance.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2016

willymchilybily wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Seriously, what is the change?!?

Power surge is for Magic sorcs for heals and the spell power buff. No pots required if you run this. Also what makes VMA doable on a sorc.

Crit Surge is a bigger heal I guess, but just gives weapon damage. Not sure why anyone but a stam sorc would run this ever.

So um, which one got changed and how?

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/264936/pts-patch-notes-v2-4-2/p1

Gina (aka Wrobels Tear Harvester) wrote: »

surge: This ability and its morphs now restore a flat value of health whenever you deal a Critical Strike. It will now also proc on any Critical Strike instead of only direct damage Critical Strikes, but can only restore health once every second.

Yikes, that is a scary change. Sorcs really are getting the nerf hammer. I basically use my sorc for a VMA toon for the most part and this is going to hurt, a lot. We are going to be required to run a Resto I think. When you compare the heals sorcs have to other classes, it is laughable to begin with. Even a DK has better heals with the recent buffs to burning embers. NBs have more heals than they know what to do with and will now have a shield on par with sorcs, as will Templars and DKs. I am trying to figure out what sorcs have left? 30 seconds of overload? Pretty crappy considering most good sorcs can pull higher DPS without it these days.

I was getting used to the idea of a 6 second shield. The reality is that I don't think that part will have a huge effect in VMA. It will probably mean casting this a few more times a round. This could be a game breaker for sorcs in there. One of our biggest defenses was having a frag or overload proc to heal us to full. If it is going to be a flat value, that value had better be large or sorcs are done. It sounds like it wont be because in typical ZOS fashion, they overreact to every potential problem and take things too far. Was anyone actually complaining about this?